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17:06:25 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn
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17:07:32 <scotto_> https://gist.github.com/scottaohara/7ef3f2882c911824ac2da35294f6beb9
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17:13:26 <jamesn> q+ to ask about remaining use cases that may need support
17:13:37 <BGaraventa> +q
17:14:13 <jamesn> q+ to talk about the redundancy case
17:16:25 <jamesn> ack me
17:16:25 <Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to ask about remaining use cases that may need support and to talk about the redundancy case
17:16:30 <Matt_King> q+
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17:19:22 <jamesn> q+ jcraig
17:20:51 <jamesn> ack bg
17:22:03 <jamesn> q+ to drill into details of a deprecation
17:22:16 <jamesn> ack ma
17:27:22 <jamesn> ack jc
17:29:58 <jamesn> ack Jam
17:29:58 <Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to drill into details of a deprecation
17:32:34 <jamesn> "The aria-haspopup property is a token type. User agents MUST treat any value of aria-haspopup that is not included in the list of allowed values, including an empty string, as if the value false had been provided."
17:41:49 <chlane> q+
17:44:32 <jamesn> ack chl
17:44:41 <scotto_> q+
17:46:22 <jamesn> ack sc
17:47:21 <jamesn> Proposal: Keep aria-haspopup on combobox as is. Comboboxes just re-done don't want to touch it right now
17:48:24 <jamesn> Otherwise potentially deprecate the token values on other elements. Would be fine with true/false - potentially could make mapping changes
17:48:28 <jamesn> q+ jcraig
17:49:10 <Matt_King> q+
17:49:38 <jamesn> if we were to deprecate the values - eventually we would need a menubutton role - need legacy support for true - could make this more generic if we could fix the underlying menubutton problem
17:49:46 <jamesn> ack jc
17:51:30 <jamesn> jcraig: techincally could deprecate the values with the way the spec is written (and moving more towards interop testing) would make it really difficult to do that to create a test. Other major downside to deprecation - in scenarios where it helps would discourage use. Deprecation is too much in this case. Would rather put notes in the spec.
17:51:36 <jamesn> ack mat
17:53:26 <jamesn> Matt_King: menubutton - i hear you say that and then thing do we need a togglebutton role. We need to think down the road a bit and think how we want to best serve screen reader users here.
17:54:05 <jamesn> scotto_: Fine with no menubutton role
17:54:28 <jamesn> scotto_: if not going to add more token values - understand there is value in those other things
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18:00:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/19-aria-dive-minutes.html jamesn
18:00:31 <Matt_King> rrsagent, make log public