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14:48:53 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, this will be pcg-a11y
14:48:53 <Zakim> ok, AvneeshSingh
14:49:04 <AvneeshSingh> present+
14:49:16 <AvneeshSingh> chair: AvneeshSingh
14:49:47 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Revision of User experience guide for displaying accessibility metadata.
14:50:15 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Accessibility summary authoring guide is available for review:
14:50:25 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Any other business.
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15:03:49 <gpellegrino> scribe+
15:04:01 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: it is the first call of this year!
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15:04:16 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:04:16 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Revision of User experience guide for displaying accessibility metadata. -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
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15:04:28 <MURATA> +present
15:04:33 <AvneeshSingh> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/UX-Guide-Metadata/principles/
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15:05:08 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: the main decision we made is that we should be focused more on how to interpret metadata and display
15:05:21 <gpellegrino> ... less on the order of the metadata
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15:05:48 <gpellegrino> ... we may present some examples as inspiration for retailers and libraries
15:05:51 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+
15:06:40 <gpellegrino> ... then we had an editors' call where we decided to remove section 4, we decided to rewrite the rationale of the accessibility summary
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15:07:13 <gpellegrino> ... there was also a need to group the metadata in headings, so the structure of the document becomes more readable
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15:07:22 <AvneeshSingh> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/pull/142#event-8170450726
15:07:37 <cdm95> present+
15:07:37 <gpellegrino> ... George has already updated the rationale of the accesibility Summary
15:07:55 <AvneeshSingh> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/pull/143
15:07:56 <gpellegrino> ... Gregorio has reorganized the principles' document
15:08:20 <AvneeshSingh> q?
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15:09:40 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: we're trying to say that the accessibility summary should not be a duplicate of other machine readable metadata, so to use this field for adding information that cannot be expressed with machine readable metdata
15:10:11 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: we'll keep this editorial changes by 5 days, if we don't get feedback we'll merge it
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15:10:45 <gpellegrino> ... We also discuss to group metadata and to move the definition to the group
15:11:01 <CharlesL> scribe+
15:12:18 <CharlesL> gpellegrino: worked with Gautier, list all EPUB metadata and list all the ONIX code, its not a mapping, and list what are the requirements of the EU A11Y Act.
15:12:50 <CharlesL> …, proposed some grouping of metadata, Reading Mode and suggested some values (visual adjustments, audio, etc.)
15:13:07 <chrisoliverottawa> present+
15:13:16 <AvneeshSingh> q?
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15:13:43 <Bill_Kasdorf> could you put the link to this Google Sheet in the IRC or chat, please? It's terrific!
15:14:00 <CharlesL> …, these are only proposals, lets figure out the groupings, reading mode, navigation, book features (mathml, long desc etc.), certification, compliance
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15:15:32 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:15:34 <CharlesL> …, 7 groups so far, and some metadata may not be specific to a11y , is this a reflowable, drm, fixed layout etc.  Not in the a11y metadata but in the main section list these in UX guidelines display this info in the page about the product price/title etc.
15:15:46 <gpellegrino> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rUCXkVE0bFeXf0hJvyPkKkIBeBHIGPYUFWKrQqLJHl8/edit#gid=0
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15:16:09 <Bill_Kasdorf> you could just provide view permission, not edit. But thanks!
15:16:53 <CharlesL> AvneeshSingh: grouping these in the UX guide and more logical structure.
15:16:56 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:17:03 <gpellegrino> @Bill_Kasdorf: updated!
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15:17:30 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:18:20 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:18:25 <CharlesL> George: guidance on the format, not part of the a11y metadata. I like.  category names, audio book, pdf, fixed layout, media overlays and any of these main stream domains (DAISY 3/2 Megavoice could be considered, BRF eBRF etc.
15:18:38 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:19:21 <AvneeshSingh> q?
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15:19:37 <CharlesL> gpellegrino: currently the google doc is read only
15:20:31 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:20:50 <CharlesL> gpellegrino: what is missing is just consensus on the grid then we can move to the document.
15:21:20 <AvneeshSingh> q?
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15:22:44 <laurent_> q+
15:22:50 <AvneeshSingh> q?
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15:23:27 <AvneeshSingh> q?
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15:24:49 <gpellegrino> q+
15:24:49 <Hadrien> q+
15:25:14 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:25:17 <CharlesL> laurent_: I agree the grouping is good, when it comes to the UI and order, be careful to mapping to UI order, empty groups having one set of info that is always displayed main info, and display others that contain information so we don't get a lot of empty groups.
15:25:25 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
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15:26:31 <CharlesL> gpellegrino: I agree with laurent_, in this spreadsheet I listed all metadata, some metadata will never appear or in few cases.  Eg. tactile graphic etc. Some real cases most used metadata real feel of what may be displayed.
15:26:37 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
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15:28:04 <CharlesL> Hadrien: At deMark we have a11y feature in two products, approach taken, primary metadata, and secondary.  product page and some while browsing, and the others are not displayed you must do something to see it all, and the 3rd items we don't display too complex.
15:28:22 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:28:52 <CharlesL> …, primary Conforms to WCAG AA, secondary is a11y features/hazards, and 3rd are access modes that are complex or features that are very uncommon.
15:29:19 <CharlesL> AvneeshSingh: this is great and we should show this in some examples.
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15:29:56 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:29:58 <CharlesL> …, google spreadsheet - move forward on grouping this on a github issue and come back to this on our next call.  could finalized on next call.
15:30:47 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:30:59 <gpellegrino> scribe+
15:31:20 <CharlesL> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/drafts/schema-a11y-summary/index.html
15:31:24 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:31:24 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Accessibility summary authoring guide is available for review: -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
15:31:26 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: we're trying to invite other groups that are working on metadata display
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15:31:42 <JamesY> present+
15:31:45 <AvneeshSingh> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/drafts/schema-a11y-summary/index.html
15:31:54 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: the summary authoring guide is open for feedback
15:32:42 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: I think that we may close the feedback window in one month
15:32:55 <gpellegrino> ... maybe would be useful to have some real world examples
15:33:08 <AvneeshSingh> q?
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15:33:58 <gpellegrino> GeorgeK: if someone want to add examples, is more than welcome
15:34:09 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:34:16 <gpellegrino> s/want/wants/
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15:34:51 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: do we have a GitHub issue for accessibility summary feedback?
15:35:24 <CharlesL> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/drafts/schema-a11y-summary/index.html
15:36:21 <CharlesL> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues/105
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15:37:58 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: in the first call of February we can finalize it
15:37:59 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:37:59 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Any other business. -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
15:38:51 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: Pagebreak: the issue was that we have printPageMumbers accessibility feature
15:39:26 <gpellegrino> ... when you use it, you have to put the source of the page source using the dc:source metadata
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15:39:54 <gpellegrino> ... but in some cases we have paginated publications which are not prinnted
15:40:19 <gpellegrino> ... so we're adding a new feature called pageMarkes
15:40:20 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:40:41 <gpellegrino> ... and another for pageNavigation (you can navigate by pages using the pagelist)
15:41:14 <gpellegrino> ... and we're defining a new metadata element for defining the page source for pagination
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15:41:41 <gpellegrino> ... we're trying to simplify things
15:42:23 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: we can add values in the accessibility features' list
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15:42:42 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:43:16 <laurent_> q+
15:43:31 <laurent_> q-
15:44:05 <laurent_> q+
15:44:06 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: this changes cannot fit in version 1.1, we're experimenting for the new version
15:44:12 <CharlesL> q+
15:44:38 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:45:02 <gpellegrino> matt: eventually we can update the techniques
15:45:25 <AvneeshSingh> ack charles
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15:45:32 <gpellegrino> laurent_: I think this feature is not important only for accessibility, but for everyone experience
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15:46:10 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: GCA we'll push this new version to all publishers that are part of the program
15:46:40 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:46:43 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: good point Laurent
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15:48:31 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make minutes
15:48:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/12-pcg-a11y-minutes.html AvneeshSingh
15:48:41 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make logs public
15:50:49 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, bye
15:50:49 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been AvneeshSingh, gpellegrino, tzviya, CharlesL, Madeleine, present, Bill_Kasdorf, cdm, chrisoliverottawa, Hadrien, JamesY
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