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14:56:52 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), CarlosD
14:57:12 <CarlosD> meeting: ACT-R CG
14:57:27 <CarlosD> agenda+ Call for review https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/461
14:57:27 <CarlosD> agenda+ Assigned issues + help wanted https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues?page=1&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen
14:57:27 <CarlosD> agenda+ Update from the ACT Task Force https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/522/files
14:57:29 <CarlosD> agenda+ Update from Manual Test Rules subgroups https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1952
14:57:31 <CarlosD> agenda+ ARIA 1.2 breaking some examples https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1985 https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1990 https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1995
14:57:33 <CarlosD> agenda+ "Links with identical accessible names and context serve equivalent purpose" [fd3a94]: Failed Example 1 should pass. https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1999
14:57:35 <CarlosD> agenda+ "Table header cell has assigned cells" [d0f69e]: UA/AT seems to do more association than HTML specs. https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1997
14:57:37 <CarlosD> agenda+ Success Criterion 4.1.1 is removed in WCAG 2.2 https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1980
14:57:39 <CarlosD> agenda+ Consider case sensitivity in ARIA rules https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1866
14:57:41 <CarlosD> agenda+ Should inert iframes with focusable content fail? https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1965
14:57:43 <CarlosD> agenda+ Visible label whitespace https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1615
14:57:45 <CarlosD> agenda+ Visible label is part of accessible name (need a volunteer) https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1458
14:57:55 <CarlosD> agenda?
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15:05:43 <CarlosD> scribe+ giacomo-petri
15:06:23 <giacomo-petri> zakim take up next
15:06:33 <giacomo-petri> zakim, take up next
15:06:33 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Call for review https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/461 -- taken up [from CarlosD]
15:08:33 <giacomo-petri> Carlos: Wilco will merge #1986 as deadline is over
15:08:48 <giacomo-petri> zakim, take up next
15:08:48 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Assigned issues + help wanted https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues?page=1&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen -- taken up [from CarlosD]
15:09:52 <giacomo-petri> Carlos: #1845, #1560, 1665 if someone can review it will be very appreciated
15:10:40 <giacomo-petri> Helen: will discuss mine later, about manual testing
15:15:30 <giacomo-petri> Carlos: (almost to everyone) feel free to take help wanted items :D
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15:18:29 <CarlosD> presen+ Sean
15:19:12 <CarlosD> present+ Sean
15:19:12 <giacomo-petri> zakim, take up next
15:19:12 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Update from the ACT Task Force https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/522/files -- taken up [from CarlosD]
15:20:56 <giacomo-petri> Helen: everyone focusing on color contrast focus/hover states
15:22:23 <Helen_> Agenda item: Better define how rules related to page states
15:22:39 <Sean> Re: issue 1993, I don't see the option to assign myself. perhaps my permissions are read-only
15:22:39 <giacomo-petri> zakim, take up next
15:22:39 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Update from Manual Test Rules subgroups https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1952 -- taken up [from CarlosD]
15:23:58 <giacomo-petri> Helen: work is ongoing, hoping to have something ready in 2 w
15:24:18 <giacomo-petri> Helen: working on "How to manually test focus states 2.4.3"
15:25:43 <giacomo-petri> Helen: there are already rules for 2.4.7, I'm working on 2.4.3 focus order
15:27:00 <Sean> sboptum
15:27:34 <giacomo-petri> zakim, take up next
15:27:34 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- ARIA 1.2 breaking some examples https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1985 https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1990
15:27:37 <Zakim> ... https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1995 -- taken up [from CarlosD]
15:30:18 <giacomo-petri> Carlos: it was not a problem with aria 1.1 but now it is in aria 1.2 due to implicit role generic of some element such as div and span elements
15:33:40 <giacomo-petri> Carlos: do you see any issue changing the definition of "owned by" to treat generic as presentation?
15:33:50 <giacomo-petri> Carlos: no issues from anyone
15:37:56 <giacomo-petri> Carlos: In "ARIA required owned elements" rule there is discrepancy between expectation and description
15:38:09 <giacomo-petri> Carlos: and we have to update them to make the rule consistent
15:39:12 <CarlosD> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.2/#mustContain
15:40:21 <giacomo-petri> Carlos: aria 1.2 requires at least one element with the required role, but doesn't say anything about owning other elements
15:40:35 <giacomo-petri> Carlos: so updating the rule with "requires at least one element with the required role" should fix the issue
15:42:02 <giacomo-petri> Carlos: to sum up, update "owned by" definition and update the expectation of aria required element "require at least one element" instead of "requires all required elements"
15:42:42 <giacomo-petri> zakim, take up next
15:42:43 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- "Links with identical accessible names and context serve equivalent purpose" [fd3a94]: Failed Example 1 should pass.
15:42:43 <Zakim> ... https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1999 -- taken up [from CarlosD]
15:44:28 <CarlosD> https://act-rules.github.io/rules/fd3a94
15:47:55 <giacomo-petri> Giacomo: I'll work on creating a non-semantic structure with image and "Read more" text that allow sighted users to visually associate the elements, but keeping the same semantic context for AT users.
15:49:15 <giacomo-petri> zakim, take up next
15:49:15 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- "Table header cell has assigned cells" [d0f69e]: UA/AT seems to do more association than HTML specs. https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1997 --
15:49:15 <Zakim> ... taken up [from CarlosD]
15:51:34 <giacomo-petri> https://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/tables/two-headers/
15:56:32 <giacomo-petri> Carlos: we need to understand if we want to move to a different definition from html specs for how table headers are assigned to table cells
15:56:54 <giacomo-petri> Giacomo: maybe we need some test with multiple UA/AT to understand how to proceed
15:56:58 <giacomo-petri> Carlos: Agree, let's do some more test
15:57:56 <Sean> need to drop. Thank you  for this. Carlos, don't forget to add me to the repo so I can assign myself 1993
16:01:19 <CarlosD> zakim, end meeting
16:01:19 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been giacomo-petri, Dan_Tripp, CarlosD, Helen_, Sean
16:01:19 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:01:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/12-act-r-minutes.html Zakim
16:01:27 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, CarlosD; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:02:52 <CarlosD> RRSAgent, bye
16:02:52 <RRSAgent> I see no action items