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14:55:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
14:55:17 <trackbot> Date: 11 January 2023
14:55:19 <matatk> zakim, clear the agenda
14:55:19 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:55:25 <matatk> chair: Matthew
14:55:48 <matatk> regrets: Nadine
14:55:58 <matatk> regrets+ Niklas
14:56:02 <matatk> regrets+ Mike
14:56:55 <matatk> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
14:56:55 <matatk> agenda+ CfC Elevating Maturity Model to Task Force https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/maturity-model/work-statement
14:56:58 <matatk> agenda+ APA Rechartering Begins https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2023/charter.html
14:57:01 <matatk> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
14:57:04 <matatk> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
14:57:07 <matatk> agenda+ New on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
14:57:10 <matatk> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
14:57:12 <matatk> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
14:57:15 <matatk> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
14:57:17 <matatk> agenda+ Other Business
14:57:20 <matatk> agenda+ Be done
14:57:26 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:57:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/11-apa-minutes.html matatk
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14:59:30 <PaulG> present+
15:00:55 <matatk> present+
15:02:29 <Roy> present+
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15:02:29 <janina> present+
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15:03:17 <matatk> scribe: janina:
15:03:19 <matatk> scribe: janina
15:03:27 <janina> zakim, next item
15:03:27 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk]
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15:03:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
15:04:47 <janina> janina: Notes that our Zoom coordinates will be changing before June 30, probably March/April
15:05:12 <matatk> Call for implementations Symbols - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-announce/2023JanMar/0000.html
15:05:55 <janina> matatk: We need content markup as well as user agent support for that markup--i.e. extensions
15:06:41 <janina> matatk: Notes outreach to AAC organizations was most encouraging
15:07:30 <janina> janina: Notes we have a Firefox plugin from 2019
15:07:33 <janina> zakim, next item
15:07:33 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- CfC Elevating Maturity Model to Task Force https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/maturity-model/work-statement -- taken up [from matatk]
15:08:11 <janina> matatk: Looking for any comments on the proposed WS before we CfC
15:09:41 <janina> janina: Notes its short and to the point
15:09:50 <janina> matatk: Agree, any objections to CfC?
15:10:39 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Notes its different from many W3C docs, it's policy focussed, not engineering specs
15:12:37 <janina> matatk: Q is whether to change the WS or make the clear purpose statement in the work output itself
15:12:49 <janina> matatk: Questions I get is how is this different from other MM
15:13:07 <janina> matatk: We need some statement of how this is unique and needed
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15:14:45 <janina> matatk: We can note this concern in the CfC and address appropriately where it is best to address the concern
15:14:54 <janina> zakim, next item
15:14:54 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- APA Rechartering Begins https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2023/charter.html -- taken up [from matatk]
15:16:15 <matatk> Here it is in GitHub: https://github.com/w3c/apa/blob/charter-2023/charter.html
15:16:38 <janina> matatk: We need all TFs to show their deliverables there
15:17:12 <janina> matatk: We may need to be more explicit on external organizations to say "as needed:" one formerly listed no longer exists!
15:18:30 <janina> janina: Notes a desire to CfC by/on 1 February
15:19:12 <janina> zakim, next item
15:19:12 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from matatk]
15:19:26 <Roy> subtopic: Web Payment Security Interest Group Charter
15:19:26 <Roy> - charter: https://www.w3.org/securepay/charter
15:19:26 <Roy> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/365
15:19:47 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:19:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/11-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:20:46 <Roy> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/365
15:20:48 <janina> Lionel: Will turn around today
15:21:06 <janina> zakim, next item
15:21:06 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from matatk]
15:21:22 <janina> zakim, close this item
15:21:22 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
15:21:23 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:21:23 <Zakim> 6. New on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from matatk]
15:21:24 <janina> zakim, next item
15:21:25 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- New on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from matatk]
15:21:33 <Roy> subtopic:  Web Locks API
15:21:33 <Roy> - tracker: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_Locks_API
15:21:33 <Roy> - FPWD: https://www.w3.org/TR/web-locks/
15:22:23 <janina> matatk: Agrees low level
15:23:05 <janina> Paul: Checking whether user needs to agree to something ...
15:23:27 <janina> Paul: So question of permissions
15:23:33 <Roy> RRSAgent, make minutes
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15:24:52 <janina> gottfried: just the api to acquire a lock, it'd be up to the ua to communicate with the user on permissions
15:24:52 <janina> lionel: agree
15:25:37 <janina> matatk: Sec 1.2 very short and should inform our decision
15:26:24 <janina> paul: last section draws boundaries; Sec 6.4 -- should check
15:26:41 <janina> paul: will do for next
15:27:14 <janina> action: matatk: to review https://www.w3.org/TR/web-locks/
15:27:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2340 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/web-locks/ [on Matthew Atkinson - due 2023-01-18].
15:27:22 <janina> action: paul to review https://www.w3.org/TR/web-locks/
15:27:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2341 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/web-locks/ [on Paul Grenier - due 2023-01-18].
15:27:45 <janina> zakim, next item
15:27:45 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from matatk]
15:28:22 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/8279
15:28:53 <janina> paul: conformant use of text transforms; don't have opinion on change--it's subtle
15:30:10 <janina> matatk: Believe CSS has scope to use either term
15:30:44 <janina> matatk: Believe the second is clearer for author
15:31:04 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/6719
15:31:51 <janina> paul: pseudo element new feature for ua; elements not created by author to hold references
15:32:26 <janina> paul: I've seen this be problematic
15:32:56 <janina> Paul: This would help solve; whether it's ready yet -- not sure
15:33:43 <janina> matatk: also unsure about active descendent; need to think on it
15:34:07 <janina> matatk: concerned some ua libs encourage label element after form control
15:34:45 <janina> paul: this should help
15:36:01 <PaulG> https://a11yform.glitch.me (example)
15:36:12 <janina> matatk: what about descript or a11yname coming from multiple sources?
15:36:28 <janina> matatk: would it match the first? All?
15:36:35 <janina> paul: that's the refining that needs to happen
15:37:42 <janina> paul: question now is should CSS move forward with work on this
15:37:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
15:38:13 <janina> ack li
15:39:15 <janina> lionel: new elements less clear than what we already know; need to be cleared --
15:39:25 <janina> lionel: how did we get pseudo anyway?
15:39:58 <janina> paul: probably closest to ::input
15:40:40 <PaulG> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Pseudo-elements
15:40:45 <janina> paul: could bring labl into the forefront and grab more attention
15:41:13 <janina> paul: css has been adding mark, marker, etc; so are extending css in this direction
15:42:07 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: expect these to grow
15:42:26 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: pseudo means not defined by author but by browser; e.g. derived
15:43:49 <janina> matatk: i like the distinction; i rememger when it didn't exist
15:44:02 <janina> matatk: human endeavor seems littered with mislabeled things
15:44:17 <janina> zakim, next item
15:44:17 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from matatk]
15:45:06 <matatk> s/with mislabeled things/with mislabeled things (though I think pseudo-elements are named quite well)/
15:45:44 <janina> Fredrik: wondering whether other devices, i.e. brl keyboards should be covered; also sip/puff
15:46:19 <janina> Fredrik: believe this should be raised, though we may not be the ones to define the solution
15:47:07 <matatk> q+
15:48:00 <janina> janina: recalls this different from previous discussions of key-up/key-down, click vs enter
15:48:15 <janina> Fredrik: also not able to engineer re sip/puff
15:48:26 <janina> Fredrik: and should we go as far as speech input
15:48:33 <janina> Fredrik: what's the end of keyboard?
15:49:00 <janina> ack matatk matatk agree these to be considered; not sure these are in scope
15:49:49 <matatk> ack me
15:49:55 <janina> matatk: this defines the kybd api; so the mappings
15:50:10 <janina> Fredrik: brl is also mapping
15:51:19 <janina> matatk: believe these are generated single char
15:52:01 <janina> matatk: suggest looking at parent spec and its A11y Considerations section; also i18n
15:52:21 <janina> matatk: hmm, no i18n; so probably too low level here
15:53:13 <PaulG> I need to drop
15:53:50 <janina> matatk: understanding no concerns as written; only whether scope should be broader?
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15:54:33 <janina> matatk: we can follow up on a11y cons
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15:54:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/11-apa-minutes.html janina
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16:57:38 <janina> janina has changed the topic to: APA Weekly Teleconference; Wednesday 18 January at 1500Z
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