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14:09:12 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
14:09:48 <janina> Meeting: APA Teleconference
14:09:56 <janina> Date: 04 Jan 2023
14:10:01 <janina> agenda?
14:10:05 <janina> Chair:  Janina
14:10:05 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
14:10:05 <janina> agenda+ Announcing Adapt Symbols CR https://www.w3.org/TR/adapt-symbols/
14:10:05 <janina> agenda+ WoT Architecture Review https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Jan/0000.html
14:10:08 <janina> agenda+ CfC Elevating Maturity Model to Task Force httpS://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/maturity-model/work-statementtatus
14:10:11 <janina> agenda+ APA Rechartering Begins https://github.com/w3c/apa/blob/charter-2023/charter.html
14:10:14 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
14:10:17 <janina> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
14:10:20 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
14:10:23 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
14:10:25 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
14:10:28 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
14:10:30 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
14:10:33 <janina> agenda+ be done
14:14:20 <janina>  agenda?
14:51:57 <janina> present+
14:52:23 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
14:52:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/04-apa-minutes.html janina
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14:54:26 <Fredrik> present+
14:56:05 <PaulG> present+
14:58:33 <Fredrik> scribe: Fredrik
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15:04:37 <Fredrik> zakim, open item 1
15:04:37 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
15:04:55 <Fredrik> janina: Some additional items apart from our stock agenda.
15:05:08 <Fredrik> janina: We'll touch on what was and what will be.
15:05:38 <Fredrik> janina: One announcement: At some point in the next six months, sooner rather than later, we will be moving ot new Zoom coordinates for our telecons.
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15:06:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
15:06:17 <Fredrik> janina: Our current Zoom coordinates are provided by MIT. Beginning with the 501C3 status, MIT and W3C have parted ways (among other things).
15:06:46 <Fredrik> janina: Not all of the legal matters for the legal entity are finished, but we're over the hill.
15:06:59 <Fredrik> janina: MIT has granted us use of their Zoom for the transitional period.
15:07:18 <Fredrik> janina: At some point in the coming half year we will be moving ot W3C-speficif Zoom coordinates.
15:07:45 <Fredrik> janina: The rest of the infrastructure has migrated away from MIT's servers. This should mean that the pages will remain the same, just changing the coordinates as such.
15:08:02 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
15:08:02 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Announcing Adapt Symbols CR https://www.w3.org/TR/adapt-symbols/ -- taken up [from janina]
15:08:29 <Fredrik> janina: The symbols module from WAI-Adapt has been approved for publication as a CR. Expected to publish tomorrow.
15:08:36 <Fredrik> janina: Messaging is ready, approvals are in place.
15:09:10 <Fredrik> janina: *The agenda pointer will be alive URL as of publication.
15:09:50 <Roy> Publication draft at: https://www.w3.org/TR/2023/CR-adapt-symbols-20230105/
15:11:22 <Fredrik> janina: zakim, open next item
15:11:44 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:11:44 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- WoT Architecture Review https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Jan/0000.html -- taken up [from janina]
15:14:34 <Fredrik> niklasegger: Most of the things to note are in the e-mail of Jan 2.
15:16:49 <Fredrik> janina: Two additional things: failure recovery, specifically a11e failure recovery, for instance if electricity is out or the connection is out.
15:17:38 <Fredrik> janina: There needs to be a way to do a reboot, a restart and so on. It's about being able to recover from failure from the unit and in an accessible way.
15:18:00 <Fredrik> janina: The support for Matter, if it obviates the  need for middleware or not, has to be discussed.
15:18:19 <Fredrik> janina: If it does, we would push for Matter support for a11y reasons.
15:18:35 <Fredrik> janina: We will talk about this in RQTF. We will discuss it with Wot, probably.
15:20:27 <Fredrik> niklasegger: I read a lot about powper outages online these days. I support both ideas.
15:20:59 <Fredrik> matatk: +1 @janina.
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15:22:30 <Fredrik> Fredrik: I'll try and find out the accessibility structures in the Matter standardization groups.
15:22:48 <Fredrik> janina: We're looking at an APA statement before the month is over.
15:22:55 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:22:55 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- CfC Elevating Maturity Model to Task Force httpS://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/maturity-model/work-statementtatus -- taken up [from janina]
15:23:47 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/maturity-model/work-statement
15:25:07 <Fredrik> janina: A CFC is forthcoming.
15:25:11 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:25:11 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- APA Rechartering Begins https://github.com/w3c/apa/blob/charter-2023/charter.html -- taken up [from janina]
15:25:23 <Roy> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2023/charter.html
15:25:33 <Fredrik> janina: Our charter expires on July 31.
15:25:48 <Fredrik> janina: There is a draft of what the new APA charter in Github, the link is in the agenda item.
15:28:09 <Fredrik> janina: If we contemplate any deliverables that aren't already noted, we should add them.
15:28:25 <Fredrik> janina: It's important to review work statements and promised deliverables for all TFs.
15:28:40 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:28:40 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
15:28:59 <Roy> subtopic: Web Payment Security Interest Group Charter
15:29:00 <Roy> - charter: https://www.w3.org/securepay/charter
15:29:00 <Roy> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/365
15:29:18 <Fredrik> Roy: Not new: a reminder for Lionel's action item.
15:30:23 <Fredrik> Lionel_Wolberger: Will meet the request for the 6th.
15:30:38 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:30:38 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
15:30:49 <Roy> subtopic: [css-text-3] Conformant use of text-transform
15:30:49 <Roy> -   issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/8279
15:30:51 <Fredrik> Roy: Two issues.
15:30:58 <Fredrik> Roy: Both form CSSWG.
15:31:35 <Fredrik> PaulG: I will take a look at it.
15:31:57 <AvneeshSingh> present+
15:32:41 <Roy> subtopic: [selectors-4] and a11y: pseudo-elements for ::label, ::description, ::active-descendent, etc.
15:32:41 <Roy> -  issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/6719
15:34:04 <Fredrik> action: PaulG to Review https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/8279 due two weeks
15:34:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2336 - Review https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/8279 due two weeks [on Paul Grenier - due 2023-01-11].
15:34:38 <Fredrik> ACTION: PaulG to Review https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/6719 due two weeks
15:34:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2337 - Review https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/6719 due two weeks [on Paul Grenier - due 2023-01-11].
15:35:17 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:35:17 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
15:35:33 <Roy> subtopic: Compute Pressure Level 1
15:35:33 <Roy> - tracker: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Compute_Pressure_Level_1
15:35:33 <Roy> - URL: https://www.w3.org/TR/compute-pressure/
15:35:41 <Fredrik> Roy: Compute Pressure Level 1.
15:35:51 <Fredrik> Roy: It si related to CPU and GPU pressure API.
15:38:49 <Fredrik> ACTION: Fredrik to Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Compute_Pressure_Level_1 due one month
15:38:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2338 - Review https://www.w3.org/wai/apa/wiki/compute_pressure_level_1 due one month [on Fredrik Fischer - due 2023-01-11].
15:39:07 <Roy> subtopic: Contact Picker API
15:39:08 <Roy> - tracker: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Contact_Picker_API
15:39:08 <Roy> - URL: https://www.w3.org/TR/contact-picker-1/
15:42:15 <matatk> q+
15:42:58 <matatk> This part talks about requirements on the UI, and appears to be normative: https://www.w3.org/TR/contact-picker-1/#contact-picker
15:43:44 <matatk> ^ doesn't mention error indication, which PaulG just mentioned.
15:44:02 <Fredrik> ack matatk
15:46:16 <Fredrik> ACTION: matatk to Write a comment on https://www.w3.org/TR/contact-picker-1/ due 2 weeks
15:46:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2339 - Write a comment on https://www.w3.org/tr/contact-picker-1/ due 2 weeks [on Matthew Atkinson - due 2023-01-11].
15:46:33 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:46:33 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]
15:47:17 <Fredrik> PaulG: I reviewed this week's agenda. Nothing really concerning.
15:47:25 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/8195
15:47:28 <Fredrik> PaulG: On 14 Dec there was this issue:
15:47:51 <Fredrik> PaulG: I have a concern that the masonry layout that they are discussing to want to go to WD has a tab ordering concern that is non addressed.
15:47:59 <PaulG> https://codepen.io/AutoSponge/pen/ExRqYor
15:48:01 <Fredrik> PaulG: I just modified the Codepen that was provided.
15:48:24 <Fredrik> PaulG: If you use your browser or evtools to manipulate the shape of the viewport, you'll see that the numbers will change into potentially illogical order for tabbing.
15:48:46 <Fredrik> PaulG: This is not ideal.
15:49:15 <Fredrik> PaulG: This is a trap for devs who want to use the new flashy thing and do a masonry layout and the users will be lost in this, especially with low focus visibility.
15:49:31 <Fredrik> PaulG: Should I bring this up with CSSWG?
15:49:42 <Fredrik> janina: It seems you don't need a disability to not liek irrational tab ordering.
15:49:45 <janina> q?
15:49:55 <Fredrik> Lionel_Wolberger: Thanks for the introduction, Paul. I totally agree with you in spirit.
15:51:25 <Fredrik> Lionel_Wolberger: The laoyt itself is disorderred in and of itself, by design, so to say. It is about catching the user's eye. *The mild confusiosn in the focus order are consistent with the confusedness of the layout itself.
15:51:57 <Fredrik> Lionel_Wolberger: I want to honour everything yous aid, Paul, but the heart of this is kind of aidorderliness. The basic left to right is preserved and gets mixed up from time to time.
15:52:05 <Fredrik> PaulG: This is exactly the line I am trying to straddle.
15:53:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
15:53:55 <Fredrik> PaulG: My reservation is that someone will use this in a scenario where order matters, but not realising it makes a hash of the tab order.
15:55:18 <Fredrik> PaulG: I will ask CSSWG my qujestions in two weeks and get back to APA on the matter.
15:55:38 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:55:38 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
15:56:09 <Fredrik> janina: Any specific chagnes or hold-ups on the EPUB specs?
15:58:12 <Fredrik> RESOLUTION: APA approves the three specifications in the EPUB 3.3 family.
15:59:07 <Fredrik> rrsagent, make minutes
15:59:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/04-apa-minutes.html Fredrik