IRC log of forms on 2022-12-16

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Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
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Date: 16 December 2022
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Chair: Steven
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Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
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Topic: ACTION-2325: Steven and Erik, check the new submit-ready text
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Erik: Continues
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Topic: ACTION-2326: Find out if iframe is deprecated.
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Steven: It isn't.
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... there is a follow up on communication with iframes
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Topic: Autocomplete
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Steven: Where does it gets its data from?
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Alain: From the browser.
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Steven: My browser already autocompletes. What's the difference?
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Alain: It doesn't work well with passwords for instance.
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... the autocomplete attribute allows specification of what can be completed.
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... there are many possible values
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Steven: Couldn;t we make autocomplete match the datatype (like credit card)?
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Alain: Owen Ambur thought it could be interesting for his project.
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Steven: Let's investigate further how to integrate into XForms.
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Erik: Sounds like it's worth looking into.
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Topic: ACTION-2328: Write an email proposing the use of <form/>
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Alain: It could be an option.
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Steven: You are suggesting moving all of XForms into a <form/> element in the bosy?
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Alain: Yes
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Erik: No opinion particularly.
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Steven: The content model of <form/> already supports this.
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Alain: The current <form/> is specified as a document element
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ACTION: Steven to check the <form/> element
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Created ACTION-2329 - Check the <form/> element [on Steven Pemberton - due 2022-12-23].
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Alain: I read that a host element is required, but I don;t see why.
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Erik: Why is stylesheet a problem?
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Alain: Not really a problem.
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Erik: YOu want more than one?
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Erik: In practice style elements are allowed anywhere by browsers.
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Topic: ACTION-2327 - Write an email proposing a method for events
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Steven: I don;t see a huge difference in what we are proposing, just how to propose it.
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Erik: There are 4 different things, dispatching in to out, out to in, listening on both sides.
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... from out to in you can just use dispatch.
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Steven: It would bubble on the outside
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Erik: Right
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... not in itself a problem.
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... elements implement behaviour
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... the control element could have a listener
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Steven: It would have to listen to all events
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... I would like to do an implementation-independent definition without new concepts if possible.
15:27:28 [Steven]
Erik: I agree
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Steven: But you are suggesting new attributes or attribute concepts.
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Steven: I think one way to solve this is to write forms to compare how they work.
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ACTION: Steven to write some example forms communicating with each other
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Created ACTION-2330 - Write some example forms communicating with each other [on Steven Pemberton - due 2022-12-23].
15:36:55 [Steven]
Topic: AOB
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Steven: My tutorial on XForms got accepted for the Web conference in Texas next year.
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... next call 6 January
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... have a great holiday period!
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