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14:39:18 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:39:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:39:22 <addison> agendabot, find agenda
14:39:22 <agendabot> addison, OK. This may take a minute...
14:39:23 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/2ab4a7ce-6975-437b-a84e-43bce40896c8/20221215T150000
14:39:23 <agendabot> clear agenda
14:39:23 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
14:39:23 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
14:39:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:39:24 <trackbot> Date: 15 December 2022
14:39:25 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
14:39:27 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
14:39:27 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:39:29 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
14:39:32 <agendabot> agenda+ WOT Discussions
14:39:34 <agendabot> agenda+ Specdev PRs
14:39:36 <agendabot> agenda+ String-Search PRs
14:39:39 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
14:41:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:50:37 <addison> agenda+ JLTF proposed charter
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14:57:58 <addison> present+ Addison, Atsushi, Fuqiao
14:59:12 <addison> present+ Felix
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14:59:33 <fsasaki> present+ felix
15:01:38 <addison> present+ Richard
15:01:51 <addison> present+ JcK
15:02:37 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:02:37 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:02:39 <addison> agenda?
15:02:55 <atsushi> addison: anything else for today?
15:03:03 <atsushi> [silent]
15:03:09 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:03:09 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:03:17 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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15:03:47 <atsushi> addison: 1164, as agenda item
15:03:53 <JcK> present+ JcK
15:04:14 <atsushi> addison: 1183, no reply yet
15:04:30 <atsushi> addison: 1200, will fix date
15:04:47 <atsushi> addison: 1216, will close on merged
15:04:55 <atsushi> addison: 1221, will be on board Tue
15:05:01 <atsushi> addison: also for 1222
15:05:22 <atsushi> addison: 1224, chatted little bit, will continue new year
15:05:36 <atsushi> r12a: 1226, Thai one last week, Tamil posted
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15:06:08 <atsushi> addison: 1228, agenda item
15:06:17 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:06:17 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:06:33 <atsushi> addison: this is the last call for 2022
15:06:46 <atsushi> ... few weeks without meeting
15:07:18 <atsushi> addison: message format WG in Unicode, lacking chair, and I will do
15:09:48 <atsushi> r12a: interesting to moving into mastdon, will continue annoucements on twitter although
15:10:40 <r12a> https://w3c.social/@webi18n
15:11:21 <r12a> (https://typo.social/@ri)
15:11:45 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:11:45 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:11:53 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
15:11:55 <atsushi> addison: no new
15:12:22 <atsushi> addison: multi screen window, will finish in Jan
15:12:31 <addison> agenda?
15:12:40 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 10
15:12:40 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- JLTF proposed charter -- taken up [from addison]
15:13:11 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2022Dec/0006.html
15:13:34 <atsushi> atsushi: two major changes to add new deliverables
15:13:41 <addison> https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://raw.githubusercontent.com/himorin/jlreq/charter-2023/charter/index.html
15:14:10 <atsushi> r12a: seems good
15:15:21 <atsushi> ... task force charters are for their participants, and no formal but good to bring into WG. no need to get permission from IG
15:15:54 <atsushi> atsushi: will merge the PR, and github page will be updated
15:17:13 <addison> agenda?
15:17:47 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:17:47 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Specdev PRs -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:18:08 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/86
15:18:16 <addison> https://deploy-preview-86--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/
15:18:30 <addison> https://deploy-preview-86--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/#char_ref
15:18:53 <atsushi> addsion: first one, PR 86, in responce to last week agenda item
15:19:40 <atsushi> ... the biggest question is whether to add one item from list
15:19:54 <atsushi> r12a: to fill with 0 for U+XXXX
15:20:09 <atsushi> addison: filling seems to be common these days
15:22:00 <atsushi> xfq: not including style ones?
15:22:49 <atsushi> ... adding styles into /TR/ one?
15:23:20 <atsushi> addison: included into the PR, believe
15:23:36 <atsushi> r12a: I think to use small caps rather than upper case
15:24:47 <xfq> https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-activity/guidelines/editing#inline
15:25:34 <atsushi> r12a: the reason, is to apply always different styles
15:26:38 <atsushi> [styling discussions, non-us-ascii]
15:29:00 <atsushi> addison: will remove a sentence and merge this
15:30:27 <addison> change 'interefere' to 'interfere'
15:30:55 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/82
15:31:07 <addison> https://deploy-preview-82--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/#char_string
15:31:31 <atsushi> addison: PR 82, looking again, first part is defining string
15:31:41 <addison> https://deploy-preview-82--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/#personal_name_examples
15:31:57 <atsushi> ... second part is incoorporating CLDR
15:32:07 <atsushi> ... having phone call with them
15:33:52 <atsushi> addison: take up CLDR stuff?
15:35:10 <atsushi> r12a: or submit all item in table into CLDR, and change text?
15:35:35 <atsushi> addison: how about string section?
15:36:15 <atsushi> [silent]
15:37:15 <atsushi> addison: merge this
15:37:15 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
15:37:15 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- String-Search PRs -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:37:30 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/string-search/pull/14
15:37:46 <addison> https://deploy-preview-14--string-search-w3c.netlify.app/
15:38:07 <atsushi> addison: output from indic script
15:38:25 <atsushi> ... included examples
15:39:52 <atsushi> r12a: we've reached at the point of research, and happy to publish this
15:40:50 <atsushi> addison: never published yet?
15:41:02 <atsushi> r12a: not see in /TR/ list
15:42:11 <atsushi> addison: will merge and prepare for publish
15:44:44 <atsushi> [no other comment]
15:44:50 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:44:50 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- WOT Discussions -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:45:10 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/316
15:45:37 <atsushi> addison: had some discussions with WoT colleagues
15:45:51 <atsushi> ... issue 316 is for sorting algorithm
15:46:35 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1750
15:47:27 <atsushi> addison: long thread that no direction specified
15:48:08 <atsushi> ... did a little research incl. CLDR, and see ICU implementation for hard coded one
15:48:38 <atsushi> ... question is whether to import this into our one or not
15:55:43 <atsushi> r12a: two item, you don't need to know the direction after the last character, on Arabic application like title it goes left hand side for like dots
15:57:11 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/explainers/bidi-html-demo.html?text=title:%20%5Cu0627%5Cu0644%5Cu0628%5Cu062d%5Cu0631%5Cu064a%5Cu0646%20(123456)%20%5Cu0645%5Cu0635%5Cu0631%20%5Cu0627%5Cu0644%5Cu0643%5Cu0648%5Cu064a%5Cu062a...
15:57:46 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/explainers/bidi-html-demo.html?text=title:%20%5Cu0627%5Cu0644%5Cu0628%5Cu062d%5Cu0631%5Cu064a%5Cu0646%20(123456)%20%5Cu0645%5Cu0635%5Cu0631%20%5Cu0627%5Cu0644%5Cu0643%5Cu0648%5Cu064a%5Cu062a...
15:57:53 <atsushi> ... for control display, elipses could follow long English text
15:58:00 <atsushi> addison: examples above
15:58:17 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/explainers/bidi-html-demo.html?text=title:\u0627\u0644\u0628\u062d\u0631\u064a\u0646:%20HTML%20and%20CSS...
15:58:47 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/explainers/bidi-html-demo.html?text=\u0627\u0644\u0628\u062d\u0631\u064a\u0646: HTML and CSS...
16:03:03 <atsushi> [appearance of ellipses]
16:03:22 <atsushi> r12a: consult with cSS and also ask some RTL people also
16:09:20 <atsushi> addison: couple of things, discussion on language and tag, do some more research on this display area
16:10:04 <r12a> HTML and CSS مصر الكويتمصر الكويتمصر الكويتمصر الكويت..
16:10:28 <atsushi> r12a: paste above into your textbox
16:11:08 <atsushi> ... shlink window and you will have first few words, question is where to put ellipses
16:13:45 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/explainers/bidi-html-demo.html?text=\u0627\u0644\u0628\u062d\u0631\u064a\u0646%20\u0645\u0635\u0631%20\u0627\u0644\u0643\u0648\u064a\u062a!
16:18:56 <atsushi> [discussion on whether elippses are control or in text]
16:24:21 <atsushi> rrsagent, make log public
16:24:26 <atsushi> rrsagent, publish minutes
16:24:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/15-i18n-minutes.html atsushi
16:48:12 <addison> zakim, who is here?
16:48:12 <Zakim> Present: Addison, Atsushi, Fuqiao, Felix, Richard, JcK
16:48:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see fsasaki, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, atsushi, r12a, eemeli, clafase, agendabot, Bert, Mek, hsivonen, florian, koji, ericP, sangwhan, astearns, cwilso, bigbluehat,
16:48:14 <Zakim> ... hadleybeeman, csarven, trackbot
16:48:21 <addison> present+ David, Bert
16:48:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:49:38 <addison> s/elippses/elipses/
16:49:48 <addison> s/shlink/shrink/
16:50:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:50:33 <addison> close action-1164
16:50:33 <trackbot> Closed action-1164.
16:50:48 <addison> close action-1228
16:50:48 <trackbot> Closed action-1228.
16:51:00 <addison> close action-1226
16:51:00 <trackbot> Closed action-1226.
16:51:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
17:04:24 <addison> zakim, bye
17:04:24 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Atsushi, Fuqiao, Felix, Richard, JcK, David, Bert
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