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16:56:49 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
16:56:50 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), pchampin
16:57:09 <pchampin> meeting: RDF-star WG
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16:57:47 <AZ> Hello, Zakim!
16:58:02 <AZ> present
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16:59:38 <Timothe> present
17:00:03 <pchampin> present+
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17:00:13 <Timothe> present+
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17:03:02 <gkellogg> present+
17:03:35 <pchampin> scribe: Timothe
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17:03:54 <Souri> present+
17:04:00 <ora> present+
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17:05:05 <AndyS> present+
17:05:38 <Timothe> Adryan: ora had some topic from the last session that was not concluded
17:05:56 <pchampin> topic: choosing the time for recurring meeting
17:07:35 <Timothe> ktk: no conclusive date for the meeting agreed upon on the Doodle
17:07:59 <gtw> what timezone is this screenshare showing?
17:12:16 <Timothe> gkellogs: can do it on Thursday 6pm  (Parsi time)
17:12:41 <Timothe> AndyS: might be able to do it also
17:13:02 <Timothe> ktk: that might be the best slot then.
17:14:09 <pchampin> STRAWPOLL: keep this slot as the recurring slot
17:14:11 <pchampin> +1
17:14:13 <gkellogg> +1
17:14:14 <ora> +1
17:14:21 <AZ> +0.5
17:14:21 <gtw> +1
17:14:22 <ktk> +1
17:14:23 <Dominik_T> +1
17:14:27 <Enrico1> +1
17:14:28 <Timothe> +1
17:14:43 <AZ> 5pm UTC
17:15:12 <AZ> (for the moment)
17:15:18 <Timothe> s/6pm  (Parsi time)/5pm UTC/
17:15:24 <AndyS> +1
17:15:37 <pchampin> s/5pm UTC/12pm EST/
17:16:10 <Timothe> ora: that decided then.
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17:16:29 <Timothe> ...: what about the holidays?
17:16:30 <Doerthe> present+
17:17:24 <pchampin> will be on holiday the 22nd and the 29th
17:18:06 <Timothe> ora: we have to cancel the 29th
17:18:50 <Timothe> pchampin: can't make any promise for the 22nd
17:19:30 <gkellogg> https://greggkellogg.net/rdf11-wg/
17:19:33 <Timothe> ktk: greg created the git repo
17:19:39 <gkellogg> https://greggkellogg.net/rdf11-wg/rdf-turtle/
17:19:57 <pchampin> topic: recycling the old specs
17:20:17 <Timothe> gkellogg: found all the spec for RDF 1.1 except for N-triples
17:20:35 <Timothe> ...: all of them have been converted
17:20:41 <gkellogg> https://greggkellogg.net/rdf11-wg/sparql-update/
17:20:43 <Timothe> ...: can be used as a basis
17:20:49 <AndyS> q+
17:21:08 <pchampin> q+ to talk about the "untouched" specs
17:22:08 <ora> Greg is our hero.
17:22:23 <Timothe> s/have been converted/have been converted to ReSpec/
17:22:29 <gtw> s/Greg/Gregg/
17:22:34 <gtw> :)
17:22:40 <ora> ty
17:22:57 <pchampin> ack AndyS
17:23:07 <ktk> ora: can you do queue handling, forgot how
17:23:15 <ora> OK
17:23:27 <ora> q?
17:25:11 <ora> ack pchampin
17:25:11 <Zakim> pchampin, you wanted to talk about the "untouched" specs
17:25:55 <Timothe> AndyS: Worked from the online TR SPARQL 1.1 update, converted it to ReSpec
17:26:54 <ora> q+
17:27:34 <ora> ack ora
17:27:49 <Timothe> pchampin: we need to update XXX
17:28:17 <Timothe> ora: what would all these new spec be called? once we have done the update
17:28:23 <gkellogg> q+
17:28:25 <pchampin> s/XXX/even the specs that are untouched by RDF-star, as we want a consistent set of specs/
17:28:41 <Timothe> AndyS: the charter says to should be 1.2
17:28:58 <ora> ack gkellogg
17:29:03 <pchampin> q+
17:29:20 <ora> q+
17:29:30 <Timothe> gkellogs: the next step (if we decide 1.2) is to define the short name for each spec and create a repo for each
17:30:28 <gkellogg> s/gkellogs/gkellogg/
17:31:50 <Timothe> gkellogg: we can chose to not do multiple repos
17:32:01 <AndyS> q+ to ask about WG issues mgt
17:32:08 <ora> ack pchampin
17:32:18 <Timothe> ...: that's for this group to decide
17:33:07 <Timothe> pchampin: we need to make this decision. I think we settled for one repo per spec last time.
17:33:33 <ora> ack ora
17:33:36 <Timothe> gkellogg: If you create an empty repo I can move the content of my repo there
17:34:46 <Timothe> ora: If updating a lot of documents, we need to manage expectations
17:34:52 <Timothe> ...: we need to communicate about it
17:34:57 <ora> q?
17:35:01 <ora> ack AndyS
17:35:01 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask about WG issues mgt
17:35:18 <Timothe> AndyS: will communicate with XXX about it
17:35:46 <ora> s/XXX/SPARQL CG
17:36:14 <Timothe> AndyS: where would the general RDF-star related issues would go?
17:36:40 <ora> q?
17:36:40 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/
17:38:10 <ora> q+
17:38:23 <ora> ack ora
17:38:33 <Timothe> AndyS: Should we put a notice to redirect from the community WG repo to the right repo?
17:39:45 <Timothe> pchampin: maybe the RDF-star task force should dessolve itself, it create some confusion
17:39:55 <ora> q?
17:39:58 <gkellogg> q+
17:40:10 <ora> ack gkellogg
17:40:38 <pchampin> "First Public Working Draft"
17:40:45 <Timothe> gkellogg: we are expected to give a FPWD time soon
17:41:46 <ora> q+
17:41:53 <ora> ack ora
17:42:09 <Timothe> ...: then there is the publishing process when we'll have a FPWD
17:43:14 <Timothe> ora: would it be reasonable to have FPWD as is plus some overview doc?
17:43:15 <Souri> q+
17:43:45 <ora> ack souri
17:44:20 <pchampin> q+
17:44:29 <ora> q+
17:44:32 <AndyS> q+
17:44:35 <Timothe> ???: unsure why we should rush to the RPWD
17:44:36 <Enrico1> q+
17:44:46 <pchampin> s/???/Souri/
17:44:52 <ora> ack pchampin
17:45:15 <Timothe> ...: need to be take our time
17:45:34 <AZ> s/RPWD/FPWD/
17:45:46 <Enrico1> q-
17:45:55 <Timothe> pchampin: the FPWG does not need to have any level of maturity
17:46:02 <ora> ack ora
17:46:07 <Timothe> ...: in favor of publishing what we have so far
17:46:26 <ora> q?
17:47:04 <Timothe> pchampin: I must check but think we could even have an empty doc
17:47:09 <Timothe> ora: any time limit?
17:47:23 <ora> ack AndyS
17:47:28 <gkellogg> q+ to mention the charter has expected times: https://www.w3.org/2022/08/rdf-star-wg-charter/
17:47:53 <Timothe> pchampin: the only imposed deadline is the candidate recommandation
17:48:34 <ora> q?
17:48:36 <gkellogg> https://www.w3.org/2022/08/rdf-star-wg-charter/#timeline
17:49:52 <ora> ack gkellogg
17:49:52 <Zakim> gkellogg, you wanted to mention the charter has expected times: https://www.w3.org/2022/08/rdf-star-wg-charter/
17:50:38 <Timothe> gkellogg: common process is now we setup a publishing workflow
17:50:56 <Timothe> ...: so that any merge to the repo publishes a new draft
17:51:02 <ora> +1 for frequent publishing
17:51:12 <Timothe> ...: better with frequent revisions
17:52:00 <ora> q?
17:53:00 <Timothe> gkellogg: we can also post on the W3C blog to communicate on what we are doing
17:53:45 <Timothe> ora: I now reiterate my request that we all think of what is missing in the spec for the next meeting
17:54:55 <Timothe> Enrico: I'd like to have a fondamental conversation on what you are trying to acheive if that counts
17:55:36 <Timothe> ora: bring all the issues now so we can decide how to organize
17:56:36 <Souri> I agree fully with Ora that big things need to be discussed as early as possible.
17:57:26 <Timothe> ora: ask why Neo4J is not participating
17:57:52 <pchampin> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:57:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/08-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
17:58:56 <gkellogg> zakim, end meeting
17:58:56 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been ora, Timothe, gkellogg, ktk, pchampin, gtw, csarven, Souri, olaf, Dominik_T, TallTed, remiceres, AZ, Enrico, AndyS, Doerthe
17:58:59 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:58:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/08-rdf-star-minutes.html Zakim
17:59:01 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, gkellogg; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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17:59:12 <gkellogg> rrsagent, bye
17:59:12 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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18:05:39 <pchampin> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:05:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/08-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
18:06:52 <pchampin> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2022/12/01-rdf-star-minutes.html
18:07:00 <pchampin> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2022/12/15-rdf-star-minutes.html
18:07:07 <pchampin> s/keep this slot/keep this slot (12pm EST)/
18:07:10 <pchampin> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:07:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/08-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin