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13:00:35 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
13:00:45 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally
13:00:54 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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13:01:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/07-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:01:49 <kaz> chair: McCool
13:01:55 <kaz> regrets+ Sebastian
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13:06:28 <mlagally_> zakim, who is on the call?
13:06:28 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally
13:07:18 <mlagally_> present+ Michael_McCool, Tetsushi_Matsuda
13:07:32 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Ryuichi_Matsukura
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13:07:41 <mlagally_> topic: Minutes
13:07:47 <kaz> scribenick: mlagally_
13:08:16 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-minutes.html Nov-30
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13:09:19 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima, Michael_Koster
13:09:47 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:09:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/07-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:09:53 <mlagally_> mmc: I have a small PR for architecture, will discuss tomorrow
13:10:08 <mlagally_> ... no objection to publishing
13:10:25 <mlagally_> topic: Quick updates
13:11:21 <mlagally_> mmc: We got an invitation for a remote keynote for the CCNC conference, can present for 45 minutes + 15 min QA
13:11:51 <mlagally_> ... my plan is to use the summary presentation and potentially show videos of demos
13:12:20 <mlagally_> ... Deutsche Telekom has a WoT based implementation, there'S a CG contribution
13:12:33 <mlagally_> ... Will ask for permission.
13:12:56 <kaz> q+
13:13:19 <mlagally_> ... Plan is to have a draft available before Christmas.Will ask Ege later today, there's also a Siemens BIM demo.
13:13:53 <mlagally_> kaz: Takenaka has public information on their Website, which includes a diagram.
13:14:19 <mlagally_> mmc: I plan to have 1 slide per implementation-
13:14:35 <mlagally_> ... If somebody has a 5 minutes video we can also show.
13:15:05 <mlagally_> ... Want to provide the material upfront to ensure content is available and not affected by low network bandwidth.
13:15:21 <mlagally_> topic: Cancellation & Updates
13:15:34 <mlagally_> mmc: Need to make sure our schedule is correct.
13:15:56 <mlagally_> ... We have testfest next week, links are in testing repo.
13:16:19 <kaz> i/Canc/kaz: please let me know once you've made decision on which resource to be included. I can check with Takenaka./
13:16:29 <kaz> i/please/scribenick: kaz/
13:16:38 <kaz> i/Need/scribenick: mlagally_/
13:16:50 <mlagally_> ... Next use case call is Dec 20th. We need to create a new invite with a new Webex.
13:17:01 <kaz> q+
13:18:16 <mlagally_> ... In the next call we identify requirements for the next charter period based on existing use cases.
13:18:51 <mlagally_> ... please provide additional input in the requirements.md.
13:19:05 <mlagally_> ML: Taskforce leads + Spec editors should participate in that call.
13:19:58 <mlagally_> topic: cancelling meetings during the testfest
13:21:55 <mlagally_> mmc: All meetings except the main call are cancelled unless communicated otherwise. TD and marketing tbd.
13:23:19 <mlagally_> ... no other meetings for security, discovery, scripting after Dec 19th before the special meeting for the next charter.
13:23:29 <mlagally_> topic: Publications
13:23:29 <kaz> i|All|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations|
13:23:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:23:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/07-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:24:35 <mlagally_> mmc: Current CR candidate drafts will be reviewed by W3M later this week. Please don't add *-needs-resolution labels.
13:24:59 <mlagally_> ... we need testimonials from organisations that state support for WoT.
13:25:26 <mlagally_> ... These should come from the AC res, so please prepare for that. Goal is to have them by end of December.
13:26:15 <mlagally_> ... Testimonials only from active members who give current support. Will not reuse testimonials from previous charter without permission.
13:27:46 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/885
13:28:23 <mlagally_> ... There's a small PR for architecture that resolves an ambiguity around a DTLS assertion. Will discuss in tomorrow's arch call and intend to merge immediately. I believe this is an editorial change, want to get it into the CR period.
13:29:01 <mlagally_> ... Discovery: Service names have been registered with IANA, some fixes are in work.
13:29:02 <kaz> q?
13:29:04 <kaz> ack k
13:29:09 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:29:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/07-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:29:36 <mlagally_> ... Profiles: We had a resolution in the profile call to publish a WD update. We should also make the resoution here.
13:29:43 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
13:30:12 <kaz> s|885|885 wot-architecture issue 885 - TLS/DTLS Version Assertions Ambiguous|
13:30:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:30:18 <McCool> proposal: publish the current editor's draft of wot-profile (after fixing a Respec error) as a WD immediately
13:30:52 <McCool> resolution: publish the current editor's draft of wot-profile (after fixing a Respec error) as a WD immediately
13:30:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:31:24 <mlagally_> topic: Implementation Reports... There's various updates
13:31:26 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
13:31:30 <kaz> s/reviewed by W3M/reviewed by the Director/
13:31:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:31:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/07-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:31:53 <mlagally_> .. I ordered the assertions to follow the spec order
13:32:12 <kaz> s/topic: Implementation Reports... There's various updates/topic: Implementation Reports/
13:32:28 <kaz> i|I ordered|mmc: There's various updates|
13:32:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:32:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/07-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:32:31 <mlagally_> ... I'm consiering to combine the two tables (manual+automatic) into a single table
13:33:02 <mlagally_> topic: Schedule
13:33:29 <kaz> i/There's va/scribenick: kaz/
13:33:35 <mlagally_> mmc: In the chairs call we discussed the next live F2F meetings
13:33:39 <kaz> i/I ordered/scribenick: mlagally_/
13:33:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:33:49 <kaz> q+
13:34:12 <mlagally_> ... Candidates: Switzerland, Munich, Tokyo
13:34:32 <mlagally_> ... June or July
13:35:43 <mlagally_> kaz: some members may have travel restrictions
13:35:58 <mlagally_> mmc: worst case we have to do virtual
13:36:07 <mlagally_> s/do/do it/
13:36:40 <mlagally_> ... let us know if your company has travel restricions for next year
13:36:42 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:36:44 <kaz> ack k
13:36:44 <mlagally_> topic: new charter
13:38:01 <mlagally_> mmc: Proposal for the special meeting to be on Jan 16-18
13:38:24 <McCool> proposal: special meeting series for next WG charter, Jan 16-18, details to be defined here: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Deliverable_and_F2F_Meeting_Plan
13:39:00 <kaz> q+
13:39:43 <mlagally_> kaz: should we consider / reserve the entire week?
13:39:46 <kaz> ack k
13:40:06 <mlagally_> mmc: yes, will add Thursday as tentative
13:41:33 <McCool> resolution: special meeting series for next WG charter, Jan 16-18, details to be defined here: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Deliverable_and_F2F_Meeting_Plan
13:42:26 <mlagally_> ... Next use case call - please check the link for the WebEx in the next invite. The old link does no longer work.
13:42:43 <mlagally_> topic: Contributions for the next charter
13:43:10 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/main/proposals/deliverable-proposals
13:43:34 <mlagally_> mmc: Please put PRs under that link.
13:45:11 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot/labels/WG%20New%20Charter%20Plans%202023
13:45:16 <kaz> i/Next use case/topic: New WebEx for Use Cases (revisited)/
13:45:27 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:45:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/07-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:45:30 <mlagally_> ... let'S keep PRs open , refine them and discuss in the charter meeting. In the meeting we can review and approve them. Please use the appropriate label.
13:46:24 <mlagally_> ... on Wed / Thu we will put them into the template, we need to create a new draft prior to the meeting.
13:46:49 <mlagally_> topic: Liaisons - skipped
13:47:44 <mlagally_> mmc: Mkoster, any thoughts on CHIP?
13:48:14 <mlagally_> mk: We should just agree to renew the ability to work together
13:49:11 <mlagally_> ... BACNET: Will try to set up a brief meeting.
13:49:31 <kaz> s/BACNET/BACnet/
13:49:43 <mlagally_> mmc: Intel is intertested in Matter - home assistant includes a Matter bridge.
13:50:23 <mlagally_> mk: protocol bridge is not difficult. Semantic bridge is more challenging.
13:50:33 <mlagally_> mmc: We will explore next year
13:50:51 <kaz> s/ - skipped//
13:50:57 <mlagally_> ... DTDL: Will revisit next year, it would be nice to reengage
13:50:59 <kaz> q+
13:51:16 <kaz> ack k
13:51:35 <mlagally_> topic: TF reports
13:52:35 <mlagally_> mmc: TD: a couple of implementations are only a corner case, we have some gaps
13:52:52 <mlagally_> ... Architecture: I already mentioned the PR
13:53:07 <mlagally_> ... Discovery: a few gaps around sorting and security
13:53:29 <kaz> q+
13:53:37 <mlagally_> ... Marketing: mostly organisational discussions, clarifying responsibilities
13:54:14 <mlagally_> kaz: TF mainly thinks about Website maintenance, we should also talk about CG collaboration
13:54:45 <mlagally_> mmc: If we have an implementer with a acommercial solution, how to get feedback into the spec
13:54:51 <mlagally_> q+
13:55:22 <kaz> s|collaboration|collaboration in general, e.g., how to bring input from the CG participants back to the WoT-IG/WG|
13:55:25 <kaz> ack k
13:55:31 <kaz> ack ml
13:55:32 <kaz> q+
13:55:53 <mlagally_> ... people could create issue, we need to clarify the policy
13:57:09 <mlagally_> ml: CG should channel people to the IG / Use Cases TF to collect use cases and requirements
13:57:32 <mlagally_> ... IG should channel potential contributors to the WG
13:58:13 <mlagally_> mmc: Let's create an issue for the marketing TF to describe that process
13:58:24 <mlagally_> s/desscribe/define/
13:58:32 <mlagally_> s/describe/define/
13:59:03 <mlagally_> s/suggest/
13:59:11 <mlagally_> s/define/suggest/
13:59:44 <kaz> ack k
13:59:49 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/363
14:01:19 <kaz> i/Let's create/kaz: Agree, and that's why I gave a comment about that during the Marketing call yesterday. We should clarify the procedure to handle the CG input in addition to the concept within the CG Charter./
14:01:26 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:01:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:02:33 <kaz> i|Agree|scribenick: kaz|
14:02:48 <kaz> i|Let's|scribenick: mlagally_|
14:02:50 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:02:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/07-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:04:38 <kaz> s/suggest that process/define procedure/
14:04:51 <kaz> s|s/desscribe/define/||
14:05:01 <kaz> s|s/suggest/||
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