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14:37:11 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
14:37:26 <janina> agenda?
14:37:41 <janina> Chair:  Janina
14:37:41 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
14:37:41 <janina> agenda+ Advancing Adapt Symbols to CR
14:37:41 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
14:37:44 <janina> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
14:37:47 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
14:37:49 <janina> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
14:37:52 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
14:37:55 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
14:37:57 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
14:38:00 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
14:38:02 <janina> agenda+ be done
14:38:23 <janina>  Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
14:38:30 <janina> date: 07 Dec 2022
14:40:36 <janina> regrets: Fredrik_Fischer, Becky_Gibson
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15:00:37 <PaulG> present+
15:02:12 <matatk> present+
15:02:19 <matatk> agenda?
15:02:32 <janina> present+
15:02:39 <Roy> present+
15:02:40 <niklasegger> present+
15:03:01 <matatk> scribe: matatk
15:03:26 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:03:26 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
15:03:34 <janina> regrets+ Lionel
15:03:43 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:03:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/07-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:04:42 <matatk> janina: Matthew, Lionel and I participated in the W3C Workshop on Permissions (virtually). We learnt quite a bit, and have work to follow up on. We'll let you know when the workshop report is out.
15:05:04 <matatk> ... We've made connections for some of the work, particularly edge-related, that we started in TPAC (e.g. verifiable credentials).
15:08:06 <matatk> matatk: I got insights from the workshop into ways the UA is acting on behalf of the user.
15:08:12 <matatk> janina: Note: APA _is_ meeting next week.
15:08:16 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:08:16 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Advancing Adapt Symbols to CR -- taken up [from janina]
15:08:32 <matatk> janina: We have a resolution from our Adapt TF.
15:08:59 <janina> https://www.w3.org/2022/12/05-adapt-minutes.html#r01
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15:09:42 <matatk> janina: Adapt TF has asked us to move the Symbols Module forward to CR. We do not believe we need a new CfC, because this module is the result of removing (for now) the non-symbol attributes.
15:09:46 <mike_beganyi> present+
15:10:13 <matatk> janina: We met with TAG during TPAC and they agreed, as do we, that symbols is the best-architected part. So we have removed the rest for now, and are investigating the other work separately.
15:10:27 <janina> https://www.w3.org/2022/12/05-adapt-minutes.html#r015
15:10:31 <matatk> ... The Symbols Module depends on our new AAC Registry, the FPWD of which was just approved overnight. (above)
15:10:51 <matatk> s/overnight. (above)/overnight./
15:11:36 <matatk> janina: Does anyone object, and believe that another CfC is required? We do not believe so, but if you have concerns, questions, please raise them here.
15:11:58 <janina> DRAFT RESOLUTION: APA confirms support for advancing Adapt Symbol Module to CR based on our previous consensus which included symbols logged at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Aug/0058.html
15:12:22 <matatk> janina: Any concerns about this resolution?
15:13:30 <matatk> RESOLUTION: APA confirms support for advancing Adapt Symbol Module to CR based on our previous consensus which included symbols logged at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Aug/0058.html
15:13:57 <matatk> janina: This truly is groundbreaking work.
15:13:58 <matatk> +1
15:14:02 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:14:02 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
15:14:26 <matatk> Roy: No new charters, no new issues, and nothing new on TR this week.
15:14:28 <matatk> agenda?
15:15:00 <matatk> zakim, clsoe this item
15:15:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'clsoe this item', matatk
15:15:11 <matatk> zakim, close this item
15:15:11 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
15:15:13 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:15:13 <Zakim> 4. A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from janina]
15:15:17 <matatk> zakim, drop item 4
15:15:17 <Zakim> agendum 4, A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review, dropped
15:15:25 <matatk> zakim, drop item 5
15:15:25 <Zakim> agendum 5, new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html, dropped
15:15:38 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:15:38 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from janina]
15:15:47 <Roy> subtopic: Autoplay Policy Detection
15:15:47 <Roy> - TR: https://www.w3.org/TR/autoplay-detection/
15:15:47 <Roy> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Autoplay_Policy_Detection
15:18:53 <Roy> subtopic: Verifiable Credential Data Integrity 1.0
15:18:54 <Roy> - TR: https://www.w3.org/TR/vc-data-integrity
15:18:54 <Roy> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Verifiable_Credential_Data_Integrity_1.0
15:18:54 <Roy> - review by Lionel: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Nov/0045.html
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15:21:35 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/UI_Events_KeyboardEvent_code_Values
15:21:39 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/UI_Events_KeyboardEvent_key_Values
15:22:08 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:22:08 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]
15:22:40 <PaulG> subtopic: no-motion
15:22:41 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7440
15:24:01 <matatk> PaulG: One option suggested was an "important" directive to override motion. I think the UA should control this ultimately. A general path forward, involving adding some ability to continue to reduce motion, was agreed.
15:24:26 <PaulG> subtopic: fragment url()
15:24:27 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/3320
15:25:00 <matatk> PaulG: this is about clarifying expectations about how the URL is resolved
15:25:15 <matatk> ... This is only for IDs.
15:26:11 <matatk> s/is resolved/is resolved./
15:26:17 <matatk> PaulG: This one didn't seem a11y-related
15:26:19 <PaulG> subtopic: animate display:none
15:26:20 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/6429
15:26:49 <matatk> PaulG: This one is about how some properties can't be animated.
15:26:59 <matatk> ... Trying to make it more intuitive for developers.
15:27:17 <matatk> ... Shouldn't affect animations or anything like that; just a technique for how the animation is executed.
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15:29:02 <PaulG> subtopic: ruby spacing
15:29:02 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5995
15:29:16 <matatk> janina: Are we piggybacking on this with Symbols?
15:29:28 <matatk> PaulG: This is more about how whitespace is stripped or not, in different cases. i18n is being consulted on it.
15:29:33 <matatk> q+ re symbols
15:30:21 <matatk> PaulG: I mentioned the work on AAC symbols, but in current prototypes e.g. from matatk the symbols have their own spacing, margins.
15:31:33 <matatk> ... Spacing is a little more important with Ruby because the rubies need to line up precisely wiht the charactrs. For Symbols, it is a bit more coarse and the text will need to be re-laid out to accommodate the symbols.
15:31:39 <matatk> q-
15:31:45 <janina> q?
15:32:00 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:32:00 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]
15:32:16 <matatk> subtopic: Pronunciation
15:32:35 <matatk> janina: PaulG: Does the new proposed time work for you?
15:33:10 <matatk> PaulG: Yes; that time looks generally good.
15:34:08 <matatk> janina: Will check up on having a call next week.
15:34:36 <matatk> ... I have an action to re-write the draft response to WHATWG. We may need to work with the WICG, too.
15:35:13 <matatk> subtopic: Adapt
15:35:30 <matatk> janina: As above - some key work finished, and AAC Registry FPWD will be published next Tuesday we hope.
15:35:42 <matatk> ... Also, we hope, the Symbols Module CR, before the moratorium.
15:36:07 <matatk> ... The Explainer has been, and will be, updated, so we should publish an updated draft of that too.
15:36:28 <matatk> subtopic: Maturity Model (?)
15:36:43 <matatk> janina: We're going to propose making MM a TF, probably in January. We'll run a CfC on this.
15:36:57 <matatk> ... They've started working on a Work Statement, which will be reviewed shortly.
15:37:16 <matatk> ... In the new year, APA is re-chartering, so we'll be asking you about making MM a TF then.
15:37:26 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:37:26 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
15:37:30 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:37:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/07-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:38:36 <matatk> matatk: Suggest everyone reads and comments, if needed, on Lionel's review, posted to the list: Action item: Review Verifiable Credential Data Integrity: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Nov/0045.html
15:38:40 <niklasegger> q+
15:39:30 <matatk> subtopic: Web of Things
15:39:39 <matatk> niklasegger: Have been looking at the spec; have a few questions.
15:40:02 <matatk> ... Gottfried planning to review between Christmas and New Year, and deliver report in the new year. Is that too late?
15:40:25 <matatk> janina: No, that's fine. We didn't block their CR, but we can put in any comments before the CR closes.
15:41:25 <matatk> niklasegger: The original question posted by WoT was if the Architecture doc should have an accessibility section. I talked with Gottfried and he had some more ideas, which relate to WoT in general, e.g. including more semantic info in the ThingDescription, (e.g. type of the device; it's location). Should we consider these things too, or is it too late?
15:42:03 <matatk> janina: No it's not too late. Do you recall they have profiles, and they created an accessibility considerations section for the profiles. I think it needs a little more than what they have. We should decide on those together. Whether it goes into the Architecture spec, or Profiles, I'm not sure.
15:42:32 <matatk> ... Also I want to capture what we called "middleware" accessibilty issues, which we raised with the group earlier, and the importance of making consumers aware of those issues/requirements in advance.
15:42:42 <matatk> niklasegger: Thanks; we'll keep you updated.
15:42:53 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:42:53 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, matatk
15:42:55 <matatk> q?
15:42:57 <matatk> ack niklasegger
15:42:58 <janina> q?
15:43:00 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:43:01 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Other Business -- taken up [from janina]
15:43:19 <matatk> zakim, close this item
15:43:19 <Zakim> agendum 10 closed
15:43:20 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:43:20 <Zakim> 11. be done [from janina]
15:43:24 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:43:24 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- be done -- taken up [from janina]
15:43:40 <matatk> janina: Thank you very much everyone for your time and good work, of which there is quite a bit being done!
15:43:52 <matatk> janina: See you next week!
15:44:15 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:44:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/07-apa-minutes.html matatk
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15:47:43 <matatk> zakim, bye
15:47:43 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been PaulG, matatk, janina, Roy, niklasegger, mike_beganyi, Alisa_Smith
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15:47:50 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:54:43 <janina> janina has changed the topic to: APA Weekly Teleconference; Wednesday 14 December at 1500Z