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14:52:33 <tzviya> zakim, start the meeting
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14:52:34 <Zakim> Meeting: Positive Work Environment CG
14:53:04 <tzviya> Date: 2022-12-06
14:53:09 <tzviya> Chair: Tzviya
14:53:18 <tzviya> Agenda+ Equity
14:53:26 <tzviya> Agenda+ Ombuds
14:53:41 <tzviya> Agenda+ Running Better Meetings
14:57:42 <tzviya> present+
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15:03:56 <cwilso> scribenick: cwilso
15:04:00 <cwilso> scribe+
15:04:09 <cwilso> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:04:09 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Equity -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:04:45 <cwilso> tzviya: conversation started at TPAC about equity
15:04:53 <cwilso> present+
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15:05:15 <cwilso> present: tzviya, Sheila, Jennifer, Annette
15:05:15 <JenStrickland> present+
15:05:34 <cwilso> ...right now, lots cooking in equity subcommittee of AGWG
15:06:41 <cwilso> Jennifer: lots of work that needs to happen, particularly in managing expectations
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15:07:57 <tzviya> q?
15:08:20 <cwilso> zakim, take up the next agendum
15:08:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up the next agendum', cwilso
15:08:33 <cwilso> zakim, next agendum
15:08:33 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Ombuds -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:08:55 <cwilso> tzviya: we need to prepare a package and tidy it up, ready to present
15:09:02 <cwilso> ... who is doing the next steps?
15:09:20 <sheila> q+
15:09:26 <tzviya> ack s
15:09:29 <cwilso> ....Chris and I are willing to help push it to the management
15:09:52 <cwilso> Sheila: wondering how this ties in to budget -we talked to Wendy
15:09:53 <cwilso> q+
15:10:05 <tzviya> ack cw
15:11:47 <cwilso> Chris: we should wrap it up and see if we can match budget
15:12:10 <cwilso> q+
15:12:32 <cwilso> Tzviya: [proposes structure for proposal]
15:12:50 <tzviya> ack cw
15:14:56 <cwilso> tzviya: I can work on a slide deck
15:16:20 <cwilso> ...likely cancel next meeting (will check in with Wendy), and we can pick this up in January
15:16:32 <cwilso> zakim, next agendum
15:16:32 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Running Better Meetings -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:17:00 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/blob/main/W3C_Chairs_Training.md
15:18:13 <cwilso> ...should we talk about this now, or wait for Wendy?
15:19:26 <cwilso> Jennifer: we should talk about with Wendy here.
15:20:56 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/blob/main/W3C_Chairs_2.md
15:21:01 <cwilso> Jennifer: I do think we need to add considerations for cognitive
15:21:36 <cwilso> ...I'm happy to help
15:22:26 <cwilso> tzviya: Wendy will join us shortly
15:28:10 <cwilso> present+ Wendy
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15:31:39 <cwilso> [Wendy reviews Chairs_2]
15:36:27 <sheila> q+
15:36:28 <cwilso> q+
15:36:31 <wendyreid> present+
15:36:36 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/AB-memberonly/issues/145
15:37:03 <cwilso> tzviya: I put in this link: Igarashi put in some recommendations for how to improve some things for ESL participants.
15:37:32 <cwilso> ... there are some good ideas in this
15:37:50 <tzviya> q+ to mention westerness
15:37:53 <tzviya> ack sh
15:38:19 <cwilso> sheila: looks great.  the only thing giving me pause is there's a lot of language around "making space for all parties".
15:39:11 <cwilso> ...seems like this is intended for general conflicts that should be worked through, not conflicts generated by one person.  E.g. where one position is harmful/conducive to positive conduct
15:39:38 <cwilso> ...I've seen gaps when ppl assume "all positions are equally valid"
15:40:50 <cwilso> Wendy: the first training goes through some of this.  I can expand
15:41:09 <tzviya> ack c
15:43:28 <tzviya> ack tz
15:43:28 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to mention westerness
15:43:29 <cwilso> q+\
15:43:29 <wendyreid> q+
15:43:37 <cwilso> q-\
15:43:39 <cwilso> q+
15:44:18 <cwilso> chris: +1 to previous mentions.  Love the social media commentary.  Not clear when the open discussion is vs presentation.
15:44:49 <cwilso> tzviya: we might want to run these slide past some members in Asian cultures
15:44:54 <tzviya> ack we
15:45:03 <cwilso> ...they might have a different take on the conflict/collaboration.
15:45:34 <cwilso> wendy: the goal for the second session is to be open discussion, but maybe timeboxed, punctuation with presentation
15:46:06 <tzviya> ack cw
15:47:31 <tzviya> ack cw
15:49:32 <tzviya> q+
15:49:36 <wendyreid> q+
15:49:50 <tzviya> ack tz
15:49:59 <cwilso> chris: [side conversations point]
15:50:14 <cwilso> tzviya: might be worth mentioning that the goal of W3C is to achieve consensus
15:50:42 <annette_g> q+
15:50:58 <tzviya> ack we
15:51:20 <cwilso> wendy: definitely going to add more callbacks to the first training from the second
15:51:46 <JenStrickland> q+
15:51:49 <cwilso> ... make sure your tools are accessible
15:52:14 <cwilso> ...can add sidechats/consensus building, need to make sure to define consensus (everyone can live with, not unanimity)
15:52:18 <tzviya> ack an
15:52:40 <cwilso> Annette: in part 1 where we define effectiveness would be a good place to put this
15:53:06 <tzviya> ack j
15:53:09 <cwilso> ...can break down modes of communication, etc a bit more
15:53:40 <cwilso> Jennifer: regarding tools, it seems like this has grown over time
15:53:58 <cwilso> ... and some of these tools have accessibility or other issues
15:54:18 <cwilso> ...have proposed training
15:54:38 <cwilso> ... group should be open to reviewing its processes
15:54:50 <cwilso> q+
15:55:02 <cwilso> ...and/or doing training to its members
15:55:09 <tzviya> ack cw
15:55:31 <wendyreid> q+
15:56:42 <tzviya> ack w
15:57:14 <cwilso> chris: +1; reviewing processes, defining criteria to measuring processes.
15:57:39 <cwilso> wendy: would love to take this on.  Some tools are challenging in various spaces, like Github
15:58:16 <cwilso> ....getting people to scribe is getting harder and harder, but autotranscription is getting better and better.
15:58:37 <cwilso> ... could we start relying on autotranscription
15:59:27 <cwilso> JITSI, OpenAI Whisper are mentioned
16:00:04 <cwilso> Jennifer: I'd like to meet in two weeks
16:00:49 <cwilso> Tzviya: Wendy will be away, but we can discuss update materials
16:01:12 <cwilso> Sheila: I'd also like to discuss the experience of and cultural norms around the AC forum
16:01:43 <cwilso> tzviya:  thanks all!
16:01:54 <cwilso> zakim, make minutes
16:01:55 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', cwilso
16:01:59 <cwilso> rrsagent, make minutes
16:01:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/06-pwe-minutes.html cwilso
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