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13:01:41 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
13:02:06 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch
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13:04:11 <McCool> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#30_November_2022
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13:05:39 <McCool> topic: new members
13:06:14 <McCool> seb: Elodie Thieblin has joined as a Siemens participant; is semantic web expert
13:06:30 <kaz> i/agenda:/scribenick: McCool/
13:06:58 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:07:34 <kaz> q+
13:07:34 <McCool> seb: regarding invited experts, none, but we may be inviting a guest from Cologne interested in BACnet testing to TD call
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13:08:32 <McCool> kaz: inviting people to public calls is ok, but make sure they can commit to patent policies, etc.
13:08:44 <McCool> topic: minutes
13:08:55 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:08:55 <McCool> seb: review minutes from 23 Nov 2022
13:08:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:08:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:09:38 <kaz> present+ daniel_Peintner
13:09:44 <kaz> chair: Sebastian/McCool
13:09:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:09:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:10:04 <McCool> seb: any objections to publishing?
13:10:38 <McCool> ... hearing none, will be approved and published
13:10:43 <McCool> topic: quick updates
13:10:49 <kaz> i|review min|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/11/23-wot-minutes.html Nov-23|
13:10:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:10:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:10:56 <McCool> subtopic: IIWoT Workshop
13:11:26 <McCool> seb: we had proposed a keynote, but they required in-person attendance, which we cannot do
13:11:35 <McCool> ... resources, travel restrictions
13:11:50 <McCool> ... McCool has offered a remote email; no response yet
13:12:24 <McCool> s/email/presentation/
13:13:17 <McCool> subtopic: cancellations and schedule changes
13:13:49 <McCool> seb: testfest will be in two weeks; is a tentative schedule
13:14:11 <McCool> mm: we should have a resolution to finalize these times
13:14:59 <McCool> proposal: fix testfest schedule (Eastern timezone): 8am M/T; 9am W; 10am T on Dec 12-15
13:15:25 <dape> q+
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13:16:30 <kaz> ack k
13:16:53 <dape> ack dape
13:16:59 <McCool> resolution: fix testfest schedule (Eastern timezone): 8am M/T; 9am W; 10am T on Dec 12-15
13:17:00 <kaz> s|M/T|Mon/Tue|
13:17:10 <kaz> s/W;/Wed;/
13:17:18 <kaz> s/T on/Thu on/
13:17:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:17:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:20:46 <kaz> q+
13:20:58 <kaz> ack k
13:21:05 <McCool> mm: let's update the general cancellation policy to include Jan 9; only have to mention exceptions to that
13:21:42 <mlagally_> q+
13:22:32 <Ege> q+
13:22:55 <kaz> ack ml
13:23:30 <kaz> ack e
13:23:46 <McCool> seb: also there is a use case call scheduled for Dec 6
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13:23:59 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner, Ryuichi_Matsukura
13:24:06 <kaz> present- daniel_Peintner
13:24:12 <McCool> ml: would also be good to go over gaps for charter input; let's have the call, and I will chair
13:24:17 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:24:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:24:32 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
13:26:00 <kaz> q+
13:26:30 <McCool> mm: for now let's use the "canceled" Editor call logistics/calendar entry for this; I will try to clean up
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13:27:17 <McCool> mm: also note that a lot of the calendar entries expire end of Jan; we will have to update at some point
13:27:21 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
13:28:15 <kaz> ack
13:28:18 <kaz> s/ack//
13:28:19 <kaz> ack k
13:28:25 <kaz> q+
13:28:28 <McCool> topic: Schedule Changes
13:29:08 <McCool> kaz: also for Marketing call need to update webex coordinate so Ege can be host; will be updating calendar
13:29:59 <McCool> seb: schedule changes
13:30:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:30:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:30:10 <McCool> ... see wot PR 1045
13:30:54 <kaz> s/topic: Schedule Changes//
13:31:08 <kaz> i/schedule changes/topic: Schedule Changes/
13:32:55 <kaz> i/also note/kaz: note that the current "Editors call" with the "canceled" label starts at 8am Eastern which is the expected time (=one hour later than the Marketing call)/
13:33:04 <kaz> i/note that the/scribenick: kaz/
13:33:22 <kaz> i/also note/scribenick: McCool/
13:33:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:33:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:33:38 <kaz> q?
13:33:41 <kaz> ack k
13:33:42 <kaz> q+
13:34:51 <kaz> i|schedule changes|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1045 wot repo - PR 1045|
13:35:11 <McCool> mm: in summary, schedule changes to deal with delays in CR transition and to allow time for new WG charter
13:35:18 <McCool> kaz: generally ok with these changes
13:35:36 <McCool> mm: probably need a resolution as well to request a 3mo extension
13:36:39 <McCool> proposal: request a 3m extension to our current WG charter in order to complete CR/PR transitions and to merge PR #1045 under the assumption of such an extension
13:36:41 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1045 : Update wg-2021-extension-plan.md
13:36:57 <kaz> s/these changes/these changes, but please remember that we need to think about two schedules in parallel, one on this kind of spec generation during this Charter period and another on the WG Charter generation for the next period./
13:37:03 <kaz> q+
13:37:04 <McCool> proposal: request from W3M a 3m extension to our current WG charter in order to complete CR/PR transitions and to merge PR #1045 under the assumption of such an extension
13:37:04 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1045 : Update wg-2021-extension-plan.md
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13:38:28 <mlagally__> q+
13:38:36 <kaz> ack k
13:38:45 <McCool> proposal: merge PR #1045 under the assumption of a 3mo extension
13:38:45 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1045 : Update wg-2021-extension-plan.md
13:38:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:38:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:39:27 <McCool> ml: these changes do have implications for members; some members may need to check with AC reps, etc.
13:39:31 <kaz> q?
13:39:34 <kaz> ack ml
13:39:42 <kaz> q+
13:40:41 <McCool> mm: definitely consider this notification; can send an email emphasizing it
13:40:49 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
13:40:55 <kaz> q?
13:41:24 <mlagally__> q?
13:41:27 <McCool> seb: ok with postponing the resolution to ask for an extension
13:41:32 <kaz> ack k
13:41:56 <McCool> mm: suggest we ask for the extension in Dec once we see the CR transition is done
13:42:52 <McCool> kaz: W3C charter says that extensions less than 6mo can be at discretion of W3M
13:43:57 <McCool> mm: suggest we definitely discuss this in the main call after the testfest, which will be the last one this year
13:44:02 <McCool> proposal: merge PR #1045 under the assumption of a 3mo extension
13:44:03 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1045 : Update wg-2021-extension-plan.md
13:44:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:44:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:44:26 <McCool> resolution: merge PR #1045 under the assumption of a 3mo extension
13:44:27 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1045 : Update wg-2021-extension-plan.md
13:44:47 <McCool> topic: publications
13:45:02 <McCool> seb: have talked already about CR transition status
13:45:31 <McCool> ... situation is generally that we have three deliverables ready for CR transition but we are still waiting
13:45:53 <McCool> ... although the request for Architecture as a little bit later than TD and Discovery
13:46:36 <McCool> ... we did have a meeting on Monday to clear up some i18n issues in Discovery
13:46:55 <McCool> mm: TD i18n discussion on Monday was only an implementation clarification
13:47:14 <McCool> seb: for profiles we are aiming for a candidate for use in the testfest
13:47:42 <McCool> ml: mostly were discussing Arch in today's call, will be discussing Profile in tomorrow's call
13:48:11 <McCool> ... but we also need implementations that are candidates for being profile compliant; for the most part this should be easy, just adding the profile qualifier
13:48:34 <McCool> ... can discuss further in testing call
13:48:49 <McCool> ... also there are several PRs on the table for Profiles that need review
13:49:12 <McCool> q+
13:50:09 <McCool> mm: does doing a WD on Dec 8 still makes sense?
13:50:23 <McCool> ml: I think after the testfest makes sense
13:51:42 <kaz> q+
13:51:46 <kaz> ack mc
13:52:00 <McCool> mm: also think we want to freeze the spec for the testfest after tomorrow's call
13:52:13 <McCool> ml: how hard is it to publish a WD?
13:52:38 <McCool> kaz: should not be hard, since is not FPWD, as long as it passes the testing tools
13:52:58 <McCool> ml: ok, I do suggest we publish the WD this year if we can
13:53:06 <kaz> s/since is/since it's/
13:53:09 <McCool> ... let's discuss in tomorrow's call
13:53:35 <McCool> seb: for testfest at a minimum we need a freeze for testing
13:53:48 <kaz> q+
13:54:13 <kaz> ack k
13:54:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:54:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:54:44 <McCool> kaz: regarding IANA, still some fixup to do
13:54:55 <McCool> mm: also DID, but neither is a blocker
13:56:03 <McCool> seb: regarding Societal Impact Q...
13:56:14 <kaz> i/have talked/subtopic: general situation/
13:56:26 <McCool> mm: will probably only get to it in Jan, right now at-risk gaps are my priority
13:56:38 <McCool> topic: Next WG Charter
13:56:46 <kaz> i/for profiles/subtopic: Profile/
13:57:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:57:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:57:12 <McCool> seb: proposing a call series Jan 16-20, cancel other meetings, have 4h of meetings to develop new WG charter
13:58:05 <McCool> ... we tried to reuse existing slots that are also in the sweet spot to allow people from all timezones
13:58:25 <McCool> ... hearing no objections, let's go ahead with this plan
13:58:37 <McCool> topic: TF review
13:58:45 <McCool> seb: anything to share
13:58:53 <dape> q+
13:59:15 <mlagally__> q+
13:59:58 <McCool> mm: small change to Discovery that updated CR candidate: UTF-8 -> Unicode code point order
14:00:25 <dape> ack dape
14:00:26 <McCool> dape: end of Jan want to publish updated Scripting API better aligned with Discovery
14:00:29 <kaz> ack ml
14:00:40 <McCool> ml: already mentioned Arch and Profile
14:00:47 <kaz> i/small/subtopic: Discovery/
14:00:49 <McCool> ... but want to clarify manual.csv
14:00:57 <kaz> i/end of/subtopic: Scripting API/
14:01:08 <kaz> i/Arch/subtopic: Architecture and Profile/
14:01:11 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:01:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:02:54 <McCool> ml: where are the official CSV files?
14:03:19 <McCool> mm: generally in the individual repos; for this testfest, will link, not copy to avoid confusion
14:03:24 <McCool> ... will discuss in testing call
14:03:54 <McCool> seb: also mention that TD calls will focus now on Protocol Bindings since TD is in good shape but PB needs work
14:04:04 <McCool> ... so Ege will be chairing although I will attend
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