IRC log of apa on 2022-11-30
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- Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 30 November 2022
- 14:53:26 [matatk]
- agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
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- agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
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- present+
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- agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
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- agenda+ New on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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- agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
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- agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
- 14:53:40 [matatk]
- agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
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- agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
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- agenda+ Other Business
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- agenda+ be done
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-apa-minutes.html matatk
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- regrets+ Becky
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- present+
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- present+
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- agenda?
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- present+
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- present+
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- present+
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- present+
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- scribe: Gottfried
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk]
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- present+
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- present+
- 15:03:00 [Gottfried]
- PaulG: Still working through CSS docs, identifying those to follow up with.
- 15:03:15 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- Lionel apologizes in advance -- will have some bandwidth outages later in the call. Use IRC if you don't hear me answer
- 15:03:25 [Gottfried]
- matatk: Thanks. Goal is not a review, just filtering.
- 15:04:28 [Gottfried]
- janina: Embedding SMIL a potential problem with screen readers.
- 15:04:41 [Gottfried]
- PaulG: I responded to the survey.
- 15:04:46 [matatk]
- s/Embedding SMIL/Embedding SSML/
- 15:05:15 [janina]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Nov/0000.html
- 15:06:25 [matatk]
- s/I responded to the survey./I responded to the Pronunciation new meeting time survey./
- 15:06:28 [Gottfried]
- janina: Please look at this FPWD on a registry specification. Underpinning for WAI-ADAPT work.
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- present+
- 15:06:36 [Gottfried]
- ... CfC through next Tue.
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-apa-minutes.html matatk
- 15:07:03 [Gottfried]
- ... Suggestions for improvement are welcome
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from matatk]
- 15:08:27 [Gottfried]
- No new charters this week
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 2 closed
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- I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from matatk]
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from matatk]
- 15:08:42 [Roy]
- subtopic: [scroll-animations] TAG feedback: interaction with prefers reduced motion
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- - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5321
- 15:08:42 [Roy]
- - tracking related spec at: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Scroll-linked_Animations
- 15:09:25 [Gottfried]
- Roy: Any feedback from APA?
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- matatk: Have not seen feedback from ARIA wg.
- 15:09:49 [Gottfried]
- Roy: James Craig had some feedback.
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- https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5321#issuecomment-705262064
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Scroll-linked_Animations
- 15:11:46 [Gottfried]
- Roy: In a previous meeting, we discussed this. We concluded that this does not introduce new accessibility concerns.
- 15:12:38 [Gottfried]
- ... Linking animation timeline to scrolling timeline is new though, but seems user-friendly.
- 15:12:46 [Gottfried]
- ... But we should wait for the feedback from ARIA.
- 15:13:20 [matatk]
- This is where we previously discussed it: https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-apa-minutes#t10
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- s/Roy:/matatk:
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4 -- New on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from matatk]
- 15:14:08 [Roy]
- subtopic: RDF Dataset Canonicalization
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- - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-canon/
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- - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/RDF_Dataset_Canonicalization
- 15:14:21 [Gottfried]
- zakim, open agenda item 3
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- 'item\ 3' does not match any agenda item, Gottfried
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- zakim, open item 3
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- agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from matatk]
- 15:14:54 [Gottfried]
- subtopic: RDF Dataset Canonicalization
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- Roy: I don't see a11y issues here.
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- matatk: I agree.
- 15:15:23 [Gottfried]
- ... So no need to review.
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- zakim, open item 4
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- agendum 4 -- New on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from matatk]
- 15:16:37 [Gottfried]
- Roy: I have no items other than RDF.
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- subtopic: Web of Things
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- janina: Niklas and Gottfried are reviewing the Web of Things architecture spec.
- 15:17:21 [matatk]
- Info and minutes from our pre-TPAC discussion with RQTF and WoT, which was very promising: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#Web_of_Things_Accessibility
- 15:17:29 [janina]
- https://w3c.github.io/wot-profile/#accessibility
- 15:17:33 [Gottfried]
- ... We have the rest of the year for review.
- 15:17:51 [matatk]
- Also here's our tracking page on the Wiki: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Architecture_1.1
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-apa-minutes.html matatk
- 15:18:10 [Gottfried]
- ... Please look at this section. I think it is underspecifying.
- 15:18:46 [Gottfried]
- ... Consider also middleware issues on manufacturers' apps.
- 15:19:04 [Gottfried]
- ... These apps are often awful regarding a11y.
- 15:20:21 [Gottfried]
- ... I have some bad experiences with my thermostat app after a reboot.
- 15:21:17 [Gottfried]
- matatk: We will wait on Niklas and Gottfried for drafting a response.
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- chair: Matthew
- 15:21:44 [Gottfried]
- niklasegger: Did not look yet at profile doc. Architecture doc is on my agenda.
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- ... for next meeting.
- 15:22:35 [matatk]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-apa-minutes.html matatk
- 15:23:37 [Gottfried]
- janina: I have a microwave from Amazon. It occassionaly loses its connection, and i have to unplug and plug in again.
- 15:24:15 [Gottfried]
- ... Summary: Thermostats, light bulbs, microwave oven.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 5 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from matatk]
- 15:25:30 [Roy]
- subtopic: UI Events KeyboardEvent key Values
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- - TR: [http://www.w3.org/TR/uievents-key/">http://www.w3.org/TR/uievents-key/](http://www.w3.org/TR/uievents-key/)
- 15:25:30 [Roy]
- - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/UI_Events_KeyboardEvent_key_Values
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- - Horizontal Review request: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/47
- 15:25:31 [Roy]
- - to CR: ASAP
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- subtopic: UI Events KeyboardEvent code Values
- 15:25:33 [Roy]
- - TR: [https://www.w3.org/TR/uievents-code/">https://www.w3.org/TR/uievents-code/](https://www.w3.org/TR/uievents-code/)
- 15:25:35 [Roy]
- - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/UI_Events_KeyboardEvent_code_Values
- 15:25:37 [Roy]
- - Horizontal Review request: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/48
- 15:25:39 [Roy]
- - to CR: February 2023
- 15:26:11 [Gottfried]
- Roy: The two docs are similar.
- 15:26:39 [Gottfried]
- ... We have reviewed them 6 years ago. But need another review since they target CR again.
- 15:26:58 [Gottfried]
- matatk: Who can review these?
- 15:27:29 [Gottfried]
- Roy: Last time, we did not find a11y issues.
- 15:27:42 [Gottfried]
- Fredrik: I can do.
- 15:28:51 [Gottfried]
- ACTION: Fredrik to review http://www.w3.org/TR/uievents-key/ due 2022-12-12
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- Created ACTION-2333 - Review http://www.w3.org/tr/uievents-key/ due 2022-12-12 [on Fredrik Fischer - due 2022-12-07].
- 15:29:17 [Gottfried]
- ACTION: Fredrik to review https://www.w3.org/TR/uievents-code/ due 2022-12-12
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- Created ACTION-2334 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/uievents-code/ due 2022-12-12 [on Fredrik Fischer - due 2022-12-07].
- 15:29:51 [Gottfried]
- matatk: The key spec is fairly simple.
- 15:30:07 [Gottfried]
- ... I wonder how accessible the pictures are in the spec.
- 15:30:12 [Gottfried]
- janina: Yes, always check this.
- 15:30:23 [Gottfried]
- ... Also, if long descriptions are missing.
- 15:30:36 [Gottfried]
- matatk: No accessibility consideration sections in neither of them.
- 15:31:37 [Gottfried]
- janina: "Accessibility considerations" is relatively new. Some groups are receptive for it.
- 15:32:38 [Gottfried]
- matatk: The word "accessibility" does not occur in the key spec. But it comes up a lot in the events spec.
- 15:33:53 [Gottfried]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 6 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from matatk]
- 15:34:20 [Gottfried]
- matatk: We got an update from Paul. Nothing else.
- 15:34:26 [Gottfried]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 6 closed
- 15:34:27 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 7. Task Force & Deliverables Updates [from matatk]
- 15:34:29 [Gottfried]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 7 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from matatk]
- 15:35:17 [Gottfried]
- subtopic: RQTF
- 15:35:56 [Gottfried]
- janina: CTAUR is published. https://www.w3.org/TR/2022/DNOTE-ctaur-20221108/
- 15:35:56 [matatk]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-announce/2022OctDec/0005.html
- 15:36:56 [Gottfried]
- matatk: Short turnaround on this doc. Feedback is welcome.
- 15:37:30 [Gottfried]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 8 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from matatk]
- 15:38:23 [Gottfried]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 8 closed
- 15:38:24 [Zakim]
- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 9. Other Business [from matatk]
- 15:38:25 [matatk]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-apa-minutes.html matatk
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 9 -- Other Business -- taken up [from matatk]
- 15:39:49 [Gottfried]
- matatk: Draft minutes have a long delay.
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- subtopic: W3C Workshop on Permissions
- 15:40:05 [matatk]
- https://www.w3.org/Privacy/permissions-ws-2022/
- 15:41:06 [Gottfried]
- matatk: W3C is hosting on user permissions. Includes user interface, device authentications, privacy issues, etc.
- 15:41:23 [Gottfried]
- ... People organizing the workshop want to get a11y feedback.
- 15:41:29 [Gottfried]
- ... We will attend probably remotely.
- 15:41:42 [Gottfried]
- ... Workshop is in Munich.
- 15:42:19 [Gottfried]
- ... Janina and/or Matthew will attend remotely.
- 15:42:52 [Gottfried]
- ... Workshop report will be available afterwards. Can continue discussion from there.
- 15:43:12 [Gottfried]
- janina: Are others interested in participating?
- 15:43:25 [Gottfried]
- matatk: We should ask the organizers if other persons can come in. I will do so.
- 15:43:47 [Gottfried]
- ... Will post to APA reflector if possible.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 10 -- be done -- taken up [from matatk]
- 15:44:36 [Gottfried]
- matatk: Meeting adjourned.
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been janina, PaulG, Lionel_Wolberger, Gottfried, nadine, matatk, Roy, niklasegger, Fredrik, mike_beganyi
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- janina has changed the topic to: APA Teleconference; Wednesday 7 December at 1500Z
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