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14:52:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
14:52:55 <trackbot> Date: 30 November 2022
14:53:26 <matatk> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
14:53:26 <matatk> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
14:53:27 <janina> present+
14:53:29 <matatk> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
14:53:32 <matatk> agenda+ New on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
14:53:35 <matatk> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
14:53:38 <matatk> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
14:53:40 <matatk> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
14:53:43 <matatk> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
14:53:45 <matatk> agenda+ Other Business
14:53:48 <matatk> agenda+ be done
14:53:52 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:53:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-apa-minutes.html matatk
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14:56:25 <matatk> regrets+ Becky
14:56:35 <PaulG> present+
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15:01:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
15:01:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
15:01:07 <Gottfried> present+
15:01:07 <nadine> present+
15:01:30 <matatk> present+
15:01:44 <Roy> present+
15:01:48 <Gottfried> scribe: Gottfried
15:01:59 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
15:01:59 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk]
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15:03:00 <Gottfried> PaulG: Still working through CSS docs, identifying those to follow up with.
15:03:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel apologizes in advance -- will have some bandwidth outages later in the call. Use IRC if you don't hear me answer
15:03:25 <Gottfried> matatk: Thanks. Goal is not a review, just filtering.
15:04:28 <Gottfried> janina: Embedding SMIL a potential problem with screen readers.
15:04:41 <Gottfried> PaulG: I responded to the survey.
15:04:46 <matatk> s/Embedding SMIL/Embedding SSML/
15:05:15 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Nov/0000.html
15:06:25 <matatk> s/I responded to the survey./I responded to the Pronunciation new meeting time survey./
15:06:28 <Gottfried> janina: Please look at this FPWD on a registry specification.  Underpinning for WAI-ADAPT work.
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15:06:34 <mike_beganyi> present+
15:06:36 <Gottfried> ... CfC through next Tue.
15:06:51 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:06:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:07:03 <Gottfried> ... Suggestions for improvement are welcome
15:08:05 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
15:08:05 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from matatk]
15:08:27 <Gottfried> No new charters this week
15:08:30 <Gottfried> zakim, close this item
15:08:30 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
15:08:31 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:08:31 <Zakim> 3. A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from matatk]
15:08:32 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
15:08:32 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from matatk]
15:08:42 <Roy> subtopic: [scroll-animations] TAG feedback: interaction with prefers reduced motion
15:08:42 <Roy> -   issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5321
15:08:42 <Roy> -   tracking related spec at: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Scroll-linked_Animations
15:09:25 <Gottfried> Roy: Any feedback from APA?
15:09:37 <Gottfried> matatk: Have not seen feedback from ARIA wg.
15:09:49 <Gottfried> Roy: James Craig had some feedback.
15:10:23 <Roy> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5321#issuecomment-705262064
15:10:36 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Scroll-linked_Animations
15:11:46 <Gottfried> Roy: In a previous meeting, we discussed this. We concluded that this does not introduce new accessibility concerns.
15:12:38 <Gottfried> ... Linking animation timeline to scrolling timeline is new though, but seems user-friendly.
15:12:46 <Gottfried> ... But we should wait for the feedback from ARIA.
15:13:20 <matatk> This is where we previously discussed it: https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-apa-minutes#t10
15:13:46 <Gottfried> s/Roy:/matatk:
15:13:56 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
15:13:56 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- New on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from matatk]
15:14:08 <Roy> subtopic: RDF Dataset Canonicalization
15:14:08 <Roy>  - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-canon/
15:14:08 <Roy>  - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/RDF_Dataset_Canonicalization
15:14:21 <Gottfried> zakim, open agenda item 3
15:14:22 <Zakim> 'item\ 3' does not match any agenda item, Gottfried
15:14:28 <Gottfried> zakim, open item 3
15:14:28 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from matatk]
15:14:54 <Gottfried> subtopic: RDF Dataset Canonicalization
15:15:00 <Gottfried> Roy: I don't see a11y issues here.
15:15:11 <Gottfried> matatk: I agree.
15:15:23 <Gottfried> ... So no need to review.
15:15:47 <Gottfried> zakim, open item 4
15:15:47 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- New on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from matatk]
15:16:37 <Gottfried> Roy: I have no items other than RDF.
15:16:45 <Gottfried> subtopic: Web of Things
15:17:16 <Gottfried> janina: Niklas and Gottfried are reviewing the Web of Things architecture spec.
15:17:21 <matatk> Info and minutes from our pre-TPAC discussion with RQTF and WoT, which was very promising: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#Web_of_Things_Accessibility
15:17:29 <janina> https://w3c.github.io/wot-profile/#accessibility
15:17:33 <Gottfried> ... We have the rest of the year for review.
15:17:51 <matatk> Also here's our tracking page on the Wiki: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Architecture_1.1
15:18:09 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:18:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:18:10 <Gottfried> ... Please look at this section. I think it is underspecifying.
15:18:46 <Gottfried> ... Consider also middleware issues on manufacturers' apps.
15:19:04 <Gottfried> ... These apps are often awful regarding a11y.
15:20:21 <Gottfried> ... I have some bad experiences with my thermostat app after a reboot.
15:21:17 <Gottfried> matatk: We will wait on Niklas and Gottfried for drafting a response.
15:21:30 <matatk> chair: Matthew
15:21:44 <Gottfried> niklasegger: Did not look yet at profile doc.  Architecture doc is on my agenda.
15:21:48 <Gottfried> ... for next meeting.
15:22:35 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:22:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:23:37 <Gottfried> janina: I have a microwave from Amazon. It occassionaly loses its connection, and i have to unplug and plug in again.
15:24:15 <Gottfried> ... Summary: Thermostats, light bulbs, microwave oven.
15:25:05 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
15:25:05 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from matatk]
15:25:30 <Roy> subtopic: UI Events KeyboardEvent key Values
15:25:30 <Roy> - TR: [http://www.w3.org/TR/uievents-key/](http://www.w3.org/TR/uievents-key/)
15:25:30 <Roy> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/UI_Events_KeyboardEvent_key_Values
15:25:30 <Roy> - Horizontal Review request: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/47
15:25:31 <Roy> - to CR: ASAP
15:25:31 <Roy> subtopic: UI Events KeyboardEvent code Values
15:25:33 <Roy> - TR: [https://www.w3.org/TR/uievents-code/](https://www.w3.org/TR/uievents-code/)
15:25:35 <Roy> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/UI_Events_KeyboardEvent_code_Values
15:25:37 <Roy> - Horizontal Review request: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/48
15:25:39 <Roy> - to CR: February 2023
15:26:11 <Gottfried> Roy: The two docs are similar.
15:26:39 <Gottfried> ... We have reviewed them 6 years ago. But need another review since they target CR again.
15:26:58 <Gottfried> matatk: Who can review these?
15:27:29 <Gottfried> Roy: Last time, we did not find a11y issues.
15:27:42 <Gottfried> Fredrik: I can do.
15:28:51 <Gottfried> ACTION: Fredrik to review http://www.w3.org/TR/uievents-key/ due 2022-12-12
15:28:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2333 - Review http://www.w3.org/tr/uievents-key/ due 2022-12-12 [on Fredrik Fischer - due 2022-12-07].
15:29:17 <Gottfried> ACTION: Fredrik to review https://www.w3.org/TR/uievents-code/ due 2022-12-12
15:29:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2334 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/uievents-code/ due 2022-12-12 [on Fredrik Fischer - due 2022-12-07].
15:29:51 <Gottfried> matatk: The key spec is fairly simple.
15:30:07 <Gottfried> ... I wonder how accessible the pictures are in the spec.
15:30:12 <Gottfried> janina: Yes, always check this.
15:30:23 <Gottfried> ... Also, if long descriptions are missing.
15:30:36 <Gottfried> matatk: No accessibility consideration sections in neither of them.
15:31:37 <Gottfried> janina: "Accessibility considerations" is relatively new. Some groups are receptive for it.
15:32:38 <Gottfried> matatk: The word "accessibility" does not occur in the key spec. But it comes up a lot in the events spec.
15:33:53 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
15:33:53 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from matatk]
15:34:20 <Gottfried> matatk: We got an update from Paul. Nothing else.
15:34:26 <Gottfried> zakim, close this item
15:34:26 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
15:34:27 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:34:27 <Zakim> 7. Task Force & Deliverables Updates [from matatk]
15:34:29 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
15:34:29 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from matatk]
15:35:17 <Gottfried> subtopic: RQTF
15:35:56 <Gottfried> janina: CTAUR is published. https://www.w3.org/TR/2022/DNOTE-ctaur-20221108/
15:35:56 <matatk> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-announce/2022OctDec/0005.html
15:36:56 <Gottfried> matatk: Short turnaround on this doc. Feedback is welcome.
15:37:30 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
15:37:30 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from matatk]
15:38:23 <Gottfried> zakim, close this item
15:38:23 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
15:38:24 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:38:24 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from matatk]
15:38:25 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:38:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:38:26 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
15:38:26 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Other Business -- taken up [from matatk]
15:39:49 <Gottfried> matatk: Draft minutes have a long delay.
15:40:03 <matatk> subtopic: W3C Workshop on Permissions
15:40:05 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/Privacy/permissions-ws-2022/
15:41:06 <Gottfried> matatk: W3C is hosting on user permissions. Includes user interface, device authentications, privacy issues, etc.
15:41:23 <Gottfried> ... People organizing the workshop want to get a11y feedback.
15:41:29 <Gottfried> ... We will attend probably remotely.
15:41:42 <Gottfried> ... Workshop is in Munich.
15:42:19 <Gottfried> ... Janina and/or Matthew will attend remotely.
15:42:52 <Gottfried> ... Workshop report will be available afterwards. Can continue discussion from there.
15:43:12 <Gottfried> janina: Are others interested in participating?
15:43:25 <Gottfried> matatk: We should ask the organizers if other persons can come in.  I will do so.
15:43:47 <Gottfried> ... Will post to APA reflector if possible.
15:44:11 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
15:44:11 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- be done -- taken up [from matatk]
15:44:36 <Gottfried> matatk: Meeting adjourned.
15:45:51 <Gottfried> zakim, bye
15:45:51 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, PaulG, Lionel_Wolberger, Gottfried, nadine, matatk, Roy, niklasegger, Fredrik, mike_beganyi
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15:45:55 <Gottfried> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:45:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-apa-minutes.html Gottfried
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19:42:05 <janina> janina has changed the topic to: APA Teleconference; Wednesday 7 December at 1500Z
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