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12:01:28 <kaz> meeting: WoT Scripting API
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12:03:20 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Zoltan_Kis
12:03:39 <kaz> chair: Daniel
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12:06:25 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Scripting_API_WebConf#November_28.2C_2022
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12:06:46 <zkis> https://github.com/zolkis/wot-scripting-api/commits/discovery-experiment1
12:08:40 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima, Cristiano_Aguzzi
12:09:40 <kaz> scribenick: dape
12:10:12 <dape> TOPIC: Minutes
12:10:24 <dape> -> November-21 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/11/21-wot-script-minutes.html
12:11:13 <dape> ... No objections, minutes are approved
12:11:32 <dape> TOPIC: Quick updates
12:11:54 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Publication Schedule within Jan 2023
12:12:08 <dape> DP: Plan to have updated draft within January
12:12:20 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Holidays plans
12:13:01 <dape> DP: available Dec 5, Dec 12 and Dec 19
12:13:06 <cris_> +1
12:13:07 <dape> ... restart Jan 9
12:13:09 <Mizushima> +1
12:13:15 <dape> ZK: Makes sense for everyone
12:14:45 <dape> Kaz/MS: Jan 9 holiday in Japan
12:15:03 <dape> Kaz: most Japanese people will not be available on Jan 9
12:15:15 <dape> ... I could join call on the 9th
12:15:40 <dape> ZK: We can have a *smaller* call
12:16:14 <dape> DP: Updates over Github?
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12:16:35 <dape> ... resume on 16th
12:16:59 <kaz> q+
12:17:05 <kaz> ack
12:17:17 <kaz> s/ack//
12:17:18 <kaz> ack k
12:17:26 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann
12:17:34 <dape> DP: Try to be active week of Jan 9
12:18:20 <dape> TOPIC: PRs
12:18:29 <dape> DP: No updates yet
12:18:36 <dape> ZK: draft PR
12:18:55 <dape> ... -> https://github.com/zolkis/wot-scripting-api/commits/discovery-experiment1
12:19:10 <dape> ZK: need to add more algorithmns
12:19:14 <dape> ... some more work
12:19:22 <dape> ... need to refactor as well
12:19:53 <dape> ... try to complete by next week
12:20:05 <dape> DP: Great
12:20:18 <dape> ZK: Please look at PR
12:20:26 <dape> ... single ThingFilter only
12:20:39 <dape> ... url used in case of needed
12:21:17 <dape> ... from Discovery spec, do we need URL parameter ?
12:21:39 <cris_> q+
12:22:50 <dape> CA: searching in directory... Discovery spec does not have this use
12:23:00 <dape> ... filter based on body of TD
12:23:07 <dape> ZK: I see
12:23:20 <dape> CA: url can be used in SPARQL
12:23:30 <dape> ZK: single ThingFilter enough
12:23:39 <dape> CA: Keep it simple is good
12:24:26 <dape> ... not much interest of standardizing different discovery mechanisms across bindings
12:24:34 <dape> ... we have steps for HTTP and CoAP
12:24:44 <dape> ... we miss other protocols
12:24:54 <dape> ... could be moved to binding templates
12:25:15 <dape> ZK: for scripting. Shall we use local discovery ?
12:25:18 <dape> CA: Not sure
12:25:24 <dape> ... we might have such use-cases
12:26:16 <dape> ZK: Okay, lets omit url
12:26:26 <dape> ... we don't use it nor do we know how to use it
12:26:33 <dape> ... suggest to remove url
12:26:50 <dape> ack cris_
12:27:08 <dape> CA: Need to ask ourselves whether there is a use-case
12:27:36 <dape> ZK: WoT runtime needs internal process
12:27:50 <dape> ... local (Bluetooth or NFC) might be a use-case
12:28:02 <dape> ... at this time we should keep it generic
12:28:11 <dape> ... hence I suggest to remove
12:28:14 <dape> CA: Agree
12:28:49 <dape> ZK: Bluetooth bridge in Discovery spec?
12:28:59 <dape> CA: out of spec...
12:29:31 <dape> ZK: separate spec ?
12:29:40 <dape> CA: Discovery spec just lists them
12:30:24 <dape> ... I wonder whether we can encapsulate it in a generic fashion
12:30:54 <dape> ZK: e.g, runtime groups bluetooth devices in own directory
12:32:05 <dape> DP: will bluetooth/NFC part of next spec?
12:32:12 <dape> ZK: don't think we need that
12:32:31 <dape> ... I wonder whether local discovery is allowed
12:32:40 <dape> ... private directory?
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12:34:38 <dape> DP: Out of scope of Discovery
12:35:51 <dape> CA: local host does not make sense for BLE
12:35:58 <dape> ZK: As a bridge
12:37:01 <dape> ... how to tell discovery that i would like to have local things
12:37:19 <dape> CA: not possible to describe "locality"
12:37:39 <dape> ... obtain URL via Multicast
12:38:31 <dape> ZK: discover local things via Discovery API
12:38:38 <dape> CA: Yes, possible
12:38:54 <dape> ... privacy concerns
12:39:13 <dape> ZK: dedicated method or "local" filter
12:39:25 <dape> CA: Hard to decide
12:40:31 <dape> ... tend to filter
12:41:04 <dape> q+
12:41:14 <JKRhb> q+
12:41:16 <dape> CA: need to define what local means
12:42:08 <dape> ZK: correct. Might depend on implementation also
12:42:30 <dape> CA: for node-wot things in runtime are local
12:42:42 <dape> ... WebThings as multicast plugin
12:42:45 <dape> ack dape
12:43:13 <dape> DP: How does discovery spec for local things?
12:43:25 <dape> CA: intro phase vs exploration
12:43:45 <dape> ... one method in intro phase allows MDNS etc
12:43:59 <dape> ... it generates an URL
12:44:16 <dape> ... there are some constraints
12:44:37 <dape> ... BLE is completely open
12:44:49 <dape> q?
12:45:47 <dape> Jan: whether local method would do 2-step process in one?
12:46:00 <dape> CA: Acts almost the same
12:46:05 <dape> ... follow all the phases
12:46:14 <dape> ...URL discovery and fetch
12:46:28 <dape> ... others do just exploration
12:46:31 <dape> ack JKRhb
12:46:56 <dape> ZK: I think we can define local method later
12:47:07 <dape> ... combines intro+exploration
12:47:11 <dape> ... not just a filter
12:47:38 <dape> ... I will not do it know
12:47:45 <dape> ... should track it in an issue
12:47:50 <dape> ... future work
12:48:22 <dape> Jan: postponing sounds good
12:48:25 <cris__> +1
12:48:36 <dape> ZK: Will summarize in issue
12:49:11 <dape> DP: May I ask you do create draft PR for your commits
12:49:13 <dape> ZK: Will do
12:50:58 <dape> [adjourned]
12:51:05 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:51:09 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:51:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/28-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
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