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14:41:20 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), maryjom
14:41:24 <maryjom> agenda?
14:41:37 <maryjom> meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:41:50 <maryjom> chair: Mary Jo Mueller
14:42:02 <maryjom> zakim, please time speakers at 2 minutes
14:42:02 <Zakim> ok, maryjom
14:42:13 <maryjom> agenda+ Announcements
14:42:21 <maryjom> agenda+ Status of Markdown version of document
14:42:27 <maryjom> agenda+ Survey: Draft of SC 1.4.12 Text Spacing
14:42:34 <maryjom> agenda+ Survey: Draft of SC 1.3.4 Orientation
14:42:41 <maryjom> agenda+ Survey: Draft Background section
14:43:39 <maryjom> regrets: Daniel Montalvo, Laura Miller
14:43:51 <maryjom> agenda?
14:44:10 <maryjom> present+
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15:02:58 <Chuck> Thanks!
15:03:12 <ThorstenKatzmann> scribe+ thorstenkatzmann
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15:03:46 <ThorstenKatzmann> zakim take up next
15:03:57 <ThorstenKatzmann> zakim, take up next
15:03:57 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Announcements -- taken up [from maryjom]
15:05:25 <maryjom> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/WCAG2ICT-weeks-available/
15:05:35 <ThorstenKatzmann> maryjom no meeting next week, update availability for better planing of meeting schedule
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15:05:53 <Sam> present+
15:05:55 <ShawnT> present+
15:06:39 <ThorstenKatzmann> zakim, take up next
15:06:39 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Status of Markdown version of document -- taken up [from maryjom]
15:08:25 <bruce_bailey_> Very nice!
15:08:38 <MichaelC> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/wcag2ict/restructure-to-md/index.html
15:08:47 <ThorstenKatzmann> michaelc shows updates he made
15:12:51 <GreggVan> https://w3c.github.io/wcag2ict/
15:14:12 <pday> q+ to Ask about process of generating content - issue, then discussion in comments on issue, then copy to relevant markdown file?
15:14:35 <Chuck> q?
15:14:43 <maryjom> ack pday
15:14:43 <Zakim> pday, you wanted to Ask about process of generating content - issue, then discussion in comments on issue, then copy to relevant markdown file?
15:16:24 <ThorstenKatzmann> maryjom look at markdown version today
15:16:38 <ThorstenKatzmann> zakim, take up next
15:16:38 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Survey: Draft of SC 1.4.12 Text Spacing -- taken up [from maryjom]
15:17:35 <maryjom> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/WCAG2ICT-Draft-discussion/results#xQ2
15:17:42 <ThorstenKatzmann> maryjom next surveys with more time to discuss in more detail
15:18:05 <Chuck> refresh, it's updated
15:18:53 <ThorstenKatzmann> maryjom question 2: 5 people agree
15:20:12 <Chuck> q+
15:20:17 <maryjom> ack ch
15:20:47 <shadi> q+
15:21:07 <maryjom> ack shadi
15:22:02 <GreggVan> q+ to say   User or user agen?
15:22:51 <Devanshu> q+
15:22:51 <maryjom> ack GreggVan
15:22:52 <Zakim> GreggVan, you wanted to say   User or user agen?
15:23:37 <bruce_bailey_> q-
15:23:57 <bruce_bailey_> sorry , i thought i was replying to questions to me
15:25:10 <maryjom> ack Devanshu
15:25:42 <GreggVan> q+
15:25:42 <bruce_bailey_> q+ to plus one to Devanshu
15:26:32 <maryjom> ack GreggVan
15:27:40 <ThorstenKatzmann> bruce_bailey_ suggests to look with 2 pathes on the SC
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15:28:22 <Chuck> q?
15:28:27 <maryjom> ack bruce_bailey_
15:28:27 <Zakim> bruce_bailey_, you wanted to plus one to Devanshu
15:28:27 <ThorstenKatzmann> devanshu asks if the SC does aply to use or user-agent
15:29:00 <maryjom> q+
15:29:05 <maryjom> ack maryjom
15:29:32 <ThorstenKatzmann> bruce_bailey_ SC should apply to software and not in markup
15:29:37 <Chuck> q+
15:29:43 <pday> q+ to Apply to software that supports the following text style properties
15:29:48 <maryjom> ack Chuck
15:30:26 <bruce_bailey_> q+
15:30:30 <maryjom> ack pday
15:30:30 <Zakim> pday, you wanted to Apply to software that supports the following text style properties
15:30:45 <ThorstenKatzmann> chuck OS should support
15:30:57 <maryjom> ack bruce_bailey_
15:31:45 <bruce_bailey_> ack maryjom
15:32:18 <Chuck> q+
15:32:19 <bruce_bailey_> q+
15:32:26 <maryjom> ack Chuck
15:32:28 <ThorstenKatzmann> maryjom definition of non-web content exists, better to explain exeption in note
15:33:00 <maryjom> ack bruce_bailey_
15:33:16 <ThorstenKatzmann> chuck proposes to normative textes should be last option
15:33:43 <bruce_bailey_> ack maryjom
15:33:50 <ThorstenKatzmann> bruce wants it in text because to important
15:34:33 <maryjom> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/WCAG2ICT-Draft-discussion/results#xQ3
15:34:49 <ThorstenKatzmann> maryom question 3
15:36:18 <bruce_bailey_> s/bruce wants it in text because to important/bruce wants it in text (not just a note) because point is too important
15:36:51 <Devanshu> q+
15:37:03 <maryjom> ack Devanshu
15:37:23 <Chuck> q+
15:37:37 <maryjom> ack Chuck
15:38:41 <GreggVan> +1 to chuck
15:38:53 <GreggVan> q+
15:39:06 <bruce_bailey_> +1 to chuck also
15:39:27 <Chuck> q?
15:39:34 <maryjom> ack GreggVan
15:40:36 <Chuck> +1 to Gregg's recollection of prior WCAG2ICT scope.
15:40:37 <ThorstenKatzmann> greggvan  WCAG does not tell how to achive because technology goes on
15:41:13 <ThorstenKatzmann> maryjom WCAG2ICT does not write new SC
15:41:54 <Chuck> q?
15:42:01 <ThorstenKatzmann> zakim, take up next
15:42:01 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Survey: Draft of SC 1.3.4 Orientation -- taken up [from maryjom]
15:42:13 <Chuck> q+
15:43:30 <maryjom> ack Chuck
15:44:42 <Mike_Pluke> +1
15:44:50 <Chuck> POLL:  Approach 2 tracks for this SC, one track for non web documents and one track for non web software?
15:44:50 <GreggVan> +1  to useing it for this one -- and select other ones
15:44:51 <Chuck> +1
15:45:02 <ThorstenKatzmann> +1
15:45:06 <ShawnT> +1
15:45:06 <Mike_Pluke> +1
15:45:11 <bruce_bailey_> +1 for two tracks on some SC
15:45:12 <maryjom> +1
15:45:16 <olivia-hogan-stark> +1
15:45:17 <AnastasiaLanz> +1
15:45:33 <pday> +1 - as long as the process is clear - I worry that we might miss half of a review for an issue
15:45:38 <Devanshu> +1
15:45:45 <Sam> +1
15:46:00 <maryjom> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/WCAG2ICT-Draft-discussion/results#xQ4
15:46:02 <bruce_bailey_> +1 to GV that two-tracks comports with my recollection of previous wcag2ict effort
15:46:30 <GreggVan> q+
15:46:41 <maryjom> ack GreggVan
15:47:39 <Chuck> Software that is intended to run on devices that are fixed in place and have no sensor to detect or ability to change the orientation would be covered under the essential exception and not require software support for orientation changes.
15:47:39 <bruce_bailey_> q+ to say my edit
15:47:42 <maryjom> +1 Gregg's suggestion
15:47:55 <maryjom> ack bruce_bailey_
15:47:55 <Zakim> bruce_bailey_, you wanted to say my edit
15:48:04 <Sam> q+
15:48:09 <Chuck> Content that is intended to run on devices that are fixed in place and have no sensor to detect or ability to change the orientation would be covered under the essential exception and not require software support for orientation changes.
15:48:13 <Chuck> q+
15:48:34 <maryjom> ack sam
15:49:39 <shadi_> q+
15:49:47 <Chuck> q+ Gregg
15:50:03 <bruce_bailey_> i think my proposed edit addresses Sam's question about screen on hardware
15:50:09 <maryjom> ack Chuck
15:50:15 <Chuck> Software that is intended to run on devices that are fixed in place and have no sensor to detect or ability to change the orientation would be covered under the essential exception and not require software support for orientation changes.
15:50:21 <Chuck> Content that is intended to run on devices that are fixed in place and have no sensor to detect or ability to change the orientation would be covered under the essential exception and not require software support for orientation changes.
15:50:27 <maryjom> Note: Non-web software & content that is only intended to run on devices that are fixed in place OR have no sensor to detect or ability to change the orientation would be covered under the essential exception and not require software support for orientation changes.
15:50:46 <Chuck> ack Sh
15:50:48 <bruce_bailey_> careful with *intended*
15:50:50 <maryjom> ack shadi_
15:51:57 <maryjom> ack Gregg
15:53:10 <bruce_bailey_> Proposed:  Note:  Content that is only used on hardware is or fixed in place OR have no sensor to detect or ability to change the orientation is covered under the essential exception and not required to provide support for orientation changes.
15:53:26 <bruce_bailey_> q+ for above proposed
15:53:36 <Chuck> q+ to rif on Bruce's proposal
15:53:45 <Chuck> Proposed:  Note:  Content that is only used on hardware THAT is or fixed in place OR have no sensor to detect or ability to change the orientation is covered under the essential exception and not required to provide support for orientation changes.
15:55:08 <maryjom> ack bruce_bailey_
15:55:08 <Zakim> bruce_bailey_, you wanted to discuss above proposed
15:55:29 <Chuck> Note:  Content that is only used on hardware THAT is fixed in place OR have no sensor to detect or ability to change the orientation is covered under the essential exception and not required to provide support for orientation changes.
15:55:44 <Mike_Pluke> q+
15:55:44 <Chuck> +1 to bruces proposal with my minor edit
15:55:46 <Chuck> ack
15:55:48 <maryjom> ack Chuck
15:55:48 <Zakim> Chuck, you wanted to rif on Bruce's proposal
15:55:58 <pday> +1 to Chuck's edit
15:56:08 <bruce_bailey_> yes, my grammar is not great
15:56:23 <maryjom> ack Mike_Pluke
15:56:25 <GreggVan> q+ q+
15:56:34 <GreggVan> q+
15:56:46 <Chuck> ack q+
15:57:13 <maryjom> ack GreggVan
15:58:22 <Chuck> Examples where a particular display orientation may be essential are a bank check, a piano application, slides for a projector or television, or virtual reality content where content is not necessarily restricted to landscape or portrait display orientation.
15:58:27 <Chuck> q?
15:58:38 <Mike_Pluke> Content that is only used on hardware THAT is fixed in place OR that has no sensor to detect or change the orientation is covered under the essential exception and not required to provide support for orientation changes.
15:59:21 <Sam> q+
15:59:22 <Chuck> I have a harsh stop
15:59:48 <Chuck> q+
15:59:52 <ThorstenKatzmann> greggvan ask what is essential (rational)
15:59:55 <Sam> q-
16:00:05 <GreggVan> +1
16:00:07 <Devanshu> +1
16:00:09 <Chuck> +1 to encorporate, bye
16:00:16 <ShawnT> +1
16:00:17 <ThorstenKatzmann> +1
16:00:17 <bruce_bailey_> +1 for close enough
16:00:21 <olivia-hogan-stark> +1
16:00:25 <maryjom> Poll: Is Orientation ready to incorporate into the document with the above note edits.
16:00:28 <Sam> +1
16:00:32 <pday> +1
16:00:33 <GreggVan> +1
16:00:35 <Devanshu> +1
16:00:53 <GreggVan> bruce +1 'd it before it was posted
16:01:39 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:01:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/17-wcag2ict-minutes.html MichaelC
16:02:50 <Mike_Pluke> My proposed change to Bruce's suggestion was at 15:58
17:44:51 <maryjom> regrets: Fernanda Bonnin
17:44:59 <maryjom> rrsagent, make minutes
17:44:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/17-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom
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18:30:43 <maryjom> regrets: Fernanda Bonnin, Daniel Montalvo, Laura Miller, Bryan Trogdon
18:30:48 <maryjom> rrsagent, make minutes
18:30:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/17-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom
20:08:29 <maryjom> s/planing/planning/
20:08:43 <maryjom> rrsagent, make minutes
20:08:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/17-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom
20:12:55 <maryjom> s/pathes/paths/
20:13:51 <maryjom> s/proposes to normative textes/proposals to normative text/
20:16:00 <maryjom> s/useing/using/
20:20:09 <maryjom> rrsagent, make minutes
20:20:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/17-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom
20:20:17 <maryjom> zakim, bye
20:20:17 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been maryjom, Chuck, ChrisLoiselle, ThorstenKatzmann, shadi, GreggVan, pday, olivia-hogan-stark, Mike_Pluke, Devanshu, bruce_bailey_,
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20:20:22 <maryjom> rrsagent, bye
20:20:22 <RRSAgent> I see no action items