IRC log of coga on 2022-11-10

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Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 10 November 2022
14:19:51 [Lisa]
regrets: Rebecca , aaron , EA
14:20:18 [Lisa]
scribe+ Rashmi
14:21:25 [Lisa]
agenda+ scribe sign up https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Scribe_list
14:21:48 [Lisa]
agenda?
14:22:07 [Lisa]
clear agenda
14:22:11 [Lisa]
agenda+ scribe sign up https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Scribe_list
14:23:12 [Lisa]
agenda+ subgroups updates amd kpis https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#heading=h.1bvszq5s0esc also look at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n_pV-lbgorW2oihIB4EdONOFN0EcRmBAkmUEEPdTAEw/edit#
14:23:51 [Lisa]
agenda+ acton requests at https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#heading=h.ka7r1m4q5vkc
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agenda+ Collaborative tools
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agenda+ Training materials suggestions
14:25:35 [Lisa]
agenda+ Reminder send out survey for research papers
14:26:41 [Lisa]
agenda+ Research collaborations (structure and research sub groups) at https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#heading=h.6co50luve41b. Also see Research plan draft outline
14:27:37 [Lisa]
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/10-coga-minutes.html Lisa
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present+
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present+
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present+
15:01:05 [Lisa]
scribe+ Rashmi
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zakim next item
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present+
15:01:27 [Lisa]
zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- scribe sign up https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Scribe_list -- taken up [from Lisa]
15:01:59 [Lisa]
zakim, next item
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agendum 1 was just opened, Lisa
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close item 1
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zakim, next item
15:02:13 [Zakim]
agendum 2 -- subgroups updates amd kpis https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#heading=h.1bvszq5s0esc also look at
15:02:16 [Zakim]
... https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n_pV-lbgorW2oihIB4EdONOFN0EcRmBAkmUEEPdTAEw/edit# -- taken up [from Lisa]
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present+
15:03:46 [kirkwood]
present+
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15:04:00 [rashmi]
Lisa:Last week we moved Research subgroup into the main group
15:04:12 [kirkwood]
kpi?
15:04:30 [Jennie]
KPI: key performance indicator
15:04:31 [Rain]
KPI stands for key performance indicator
15:04:44 [kirkwood]
;)
15:06:45 [Fazio]
I received 5 publications to review from Joanne Nicholson, Ph.D., Professor Institute for Behavioral Health Schneider Institutes for Health Policy
15:06:52 [Lisa]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XWmikm5Ein5CQ02knEJ5iGzO1YJMilTMBJ_aLVCTzs0/edit#heading=h.bc4vqyklmnk0
15:10:53 [julierawe]
Can you please share the url for the COGA Action Items doc?
15:11:16 [rashmi]
Lisa:We are having extra meeting for mental health subgroup on 15th November at 10 am Boston time .Rashmi will send mail with agenda as reminder
15:11:29 [rashmi]
Thank you Rachael
15:12:25 [rashmi]
Rain:By next week we will have discussion on feedback for structure
15:12:58 [rashmi]
...and we will discuss about qualitative aspect of the research
15:15:43 [rashmi]
Julie:Looking forward to the feedback ,and will have meeting by end of December or may be in January
15:15:47 [JustineP]
present+
15:16:19 [rashmi]
Rachael:I am expecting feedback from AG in Late January or February to circle back
15:21:06 [kirkwood]
+1 to research
15:22:10 [rashmi]
Lisa:Its very much technology question so that would require synergy from more people on top of technology to work for clear language work
15:22:16 [Rain]
subgroup schedule: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Subgroups
15:23:30 [Fazio]
I'll be in Brasilia next week
15:23:34 [Rain]
+1 I will be on vacation on the 22nd and 29th of December
15:23:36 [Jennie]
Thanks for the link Rain!
15:23:42 [Lisa]
work on the 15th dec and the 5th of january
15:24:07 [kirkwood]
+1 ok
15:24:31 [kirkwood]
oops i meant ok for both
15:24:39 [julierawe]
+1 to meeting on the 15th of Dec and on the 5th of January
15:25:16 [rashmi]
Rashmi:I will on vacation on 5t January
15:26:21 [rashmi]
Lisa:Let me know if you are available on what dates of January and February so that we can plan meetings
15:27:16 [rashmi]
Lisa:For Test plan strategy we made lots of changes
15:27:35 [rashmi]
...David swallow is doing potential outreach
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next item
15:29:07 [rashmi]
Jnnie:For image subgroup we will have updates after next friday
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Lisa:Jennie do you need time in main meeting to discuss
15:31:35 [rashmi]
Jennie:It may have in the start of December
15:32:38 [rashmi]
Jennie:I am not available except 15th in the month of December
15:34:11 [rashmi]
Julie:About EO I had interacted with Shadi.
15:34:48 [rashmi]
They incorporated all of our suggestions
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Q?
15:35:16 [Jennie]
I have updated the holidays in December onto the scribe list.
15:35:36 [rashmi]
...If we see anything massively wrong only then we will flag it
15:36:29 [rashmi]
It seems They did incorporated important changes
15:36:46 [rashmi]
I will confirm it on Saturday
15:39:42 [rashmi]
Julie:I will create a google doc as github is hard and will ask to flag people to flag if its only massive issue
15:39:52 [Rain]
Rain will review
15:40:21 [Lisa]
thank you
15:40:25 [rashmi]
John:I can also review
15:41:28 [rashmi]
I want to make a APA issue on github on Audio description track? Did anyone make it?
15:42:31 [rashmi]
Lisa:I want to make a APA issue on github on Audio description track? Did anyone make it?
15:46:08 [Rachael]
q+
15:46:13 [Lisa]
ack next
15:46:40 [kirkwood]
cognitive & low vision … such as aging related often go together.
15:46:46 [rashmi]
Lisa:In the functional need we are missing how cognitive disabilities affect other assistive technology usage
15:47:52 [rashmi]
q+
15:48:02 [Lisa]
ack next
15:48:38 [Lisa]
rashmi: mental health overlaps as well
15:51:39 [Lisa]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wu0WYcvCpp-zIz2NzPk2AuTJOrzgh3T4sKQgzCa10ps/edit#
15:52:26 [rashmi]
Lisa:as comorbidty and multiple impairment together I will add to the new research agenda along with Rachael's suggestion
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agenda?
15:53:33 [Lisa]
close item 4
15:53:41 [Lisa]
next item
15:56:12 [rashmi]
Lisa:I want to make short interview video to discuss about specific issue making it a bit personel
15:56:28 [rashmi]
...If anybody is interested
15:56:39 [julierawe]
q+
15:56:46 [rashmi]
...they can ping me
15:56:51 [Lisa]
ack next
15:57:36 [rashmi]
...If anything is making training material and are happy to share
15:58:40 [rashmi]
Julie:Short video will be more helpful
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Lisa:I am planning to make around 3 min conversation
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...and would script it beforehand
16:00:02 [ShawnT]
present+
16:00:22 [rashmi]
Thank you everyone
16:00:47 [Lisa]
RRSAgent, publish minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/10-coga-minutes.html Lisa
16:00:49 [Rain]
Thank you. Will return for test group
16:01:04 [Lisa]
topic: testing subb group
16:01:50 [Lisa]
agenda+ Review KPIs, https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Subgroups/Testing
16:02:20 [Lisa]
scribe+ lisa
16:03:26 [Jennie]
agenda+ continue working on Content Usable's 4.8.1
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Zakim, take up item 9
16:04:06 [Zakim]
agendum 9 -- continue working on Content Usable's 4.8.1 -- taken up [from Jennie]
16:07:01 [Lisa]
looking at 4.8.1 in content useble, and making test, and test process
16:08:13 [Lisa]
to make sure we know the easy sell testable
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and make a leyered aprouh to test as this is approved
16:10:14 [Lisa]
lisa: we should document the aprouch of a layed aprouch
16:10:37 [Jennie]
Is it ok with the group to start by looking at binary tests for 4.8.1, with the understanding that we will next work on other test types.
16:10:55 [julierawe]
+1
16:10:56 [ShawnT]
q+
16:11:09 [Lisa]
q+
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shawn: we are looking at the examples in 4.8.1
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ack next
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ack next
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lisa: i wanted more a test proces
16:13:12 [Jennie]
Layered approach could be used
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for content useable
16:13:33 [Jennie]
Phase 1: Identify areas in examples of 4.8.1 that can be tested in binary fashion
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Phase 2: (option 1) write way to test binary elements (only) for Making Content Usable
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Phase 2: (option 2) Identify areas in exaples of 4.8.1 that can be tested using another test type like procedural
16:14:54 [Lisa]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Subgroups/Testing
16:16:01 [Jennie]
Lisa: need a process document on how to test Making Content Usable
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...Doesn't have to be filled in
16:16:25 [Jennie]
...Example someone wants to come along and say they conform to Making Content Usable. What does that mean?
16:16:52 [Jennie]
...This could be a layered approach, but collecting tests would not necessarily do this
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....We may need an example test of each kind, then move to the document of this structure
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...We have not agreed on whether accessibility could be a user involved process or not
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...There is lots to do there
16:17:38 [Jennie]
...We know there are unit tests there
16:18:06 [ShawnT]
q+ to say are should we test Making Content Usable to WCAG 2.X testing method?
16:18:56 [Lisa]
shawbn: we are aligning with silver? so should it be alighend with 2.x
16:19:05 [Lisa]
Q?
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ack next
16:19:10 [Zakim]
ShawnT, you wanted to say are should we test Making Content Usable to WCAG 2.X testing method?
16:19:26 [Jennie]
Lisa: that is not what we were trying to do
16:19:42 [Jennie]
...We should add this as an agenda item
16:19:56 [Jennie]
q+
16:20:12 [Lisa]
scribe+ julie
16:20:55 [julierawe]
Lisa: When we set up the KPIs in our new charter, we said we were going to have a section on testing Content Usable.
16:21:15 [julierawe]
Lisa: We said we were going to work on how to test for it. Could be an appendix, could be a stand-alone.
16:21:38 [julierawe]
Lisa: Rachael said she needs to know what it's going to look like. A process? Focused on user-testing?
16:22:06 [julierawe]
Lisa: I think we're trying to make a proposal of what testing Content Usable should involve, not just what we can do to make it aligned for Silver.
16:22:16 [Jennie]
q?
16:23:09 [julierawe]
q+
16:23:28 [kirkwood]
Is the “resource” “test section of editors draft’ resource link not accesssible anymore? https://rawgit.com/w3c/silver/update_test_section/guidelines/index.html#convention-tests
16:23:43 [julierawe]
Lisa: We have to put forward a proposal, an outline that people can discuss — it doesn't have to align with WCAG 3
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ack next
16:24:04 [julierawe]
Lisa: I don't think we should start with how to align the way other people test
16:24:43 [julierawe]
Rain: I think the goal is to break this out into chunked tasks so we can move forward
16:24:53 [Lisa]
q?
16:24:54 [julierawe]
Rain: Trying to do all of that at once might be hard to make progress
16:25:07 [julierawe]
Rain: It makes sense to start with the easy things and then get them out of the way
16:25:22 [julierawe]
Rain: The nice thing about identifying the easy binary ones can be put into the testing program.
16:25:44 [julierawe]
Rain: The stuff that's not binary will involve a more subjective process with people.
16:27:53 [Lisa]
ack next
16:28:41 [ShawnT]
Jennie: agrees with Lisa
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... on the original goal
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... we had some constraints on the original goal
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q+
16:29:30 [ShawnT]
... the types of test Silver / names of tests keep changing
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present+
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sorry, my internet dropped—am back now!
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q-
16:30:16 [julierawe_]
Jennie: If I gave a testing protocol that is not complete, then many organizations would not use it.
16:30:29 [ShawnT]
... if someone wants to test Making content usable we need to show that some test as possible
16:30:37 [julierawe_]
Jennie: But if we say here are some tests with high interrater reliability, orgs will use it.
16:30:57 [julierawe_]
Jennie: I don't want to spend all of our time on binary testing. Once we have a couple binary tests, then we can move on.
16:31:20 [julierawe_]
q+
16:31:39 [Jennie]
Julie: I want to say that Lisa has made an excellent point
16:31:45 [Jennie]
....I was looking at 4.8.1
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...It starts with "easy to find on a page"
16:32:07 [Jennie]
...This is very different from "is there a phone number"
16:32:21 [Jennie]
...To me it sounds like this is where we could come up with ease of use
16:32:27 [Jennie]
....We know we can find a phone number
16:32:36 [Jennie]
...But how easy is it for people to find the phone number
16:32:44 [Rain]
q+
16:32:46 [Jennie]
....Does it take 20 clicks to get to the phone number?
16:32:58 [Jennie]
....If we weren't trying to get aligned with the other processes
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...and set those aside
16:33:21 [Jennie]
....How would we guide organizations to do user testing so they are accessible to people with cognitive disabilities
16:33:39 [Jennie]
...Then we could show how to do guidance on how to get their different teams
16:33:47 [Jennie]
...It is going to be challenging to map it out
16:33:53 [Jennie]
...Lisa has persuaded me
16:34:03 [Jennie]
...So we don't focus on how to align with the other initiatives
16:34:26 [julierawe_]
Rain: I'm liking the way this conversation is going in terms of how we think about these tests.
16:35:03 [julierawe_]
Rain: It does actually align with how the testing group is thinking.
16:35:36 [julierawe_]
Rain: Prescriptive tests come in two forms: computational is yes/no is there a phone number. Qualitative is the phone number usable.
16:36:10 [julierawe_]
Rain: Adaptive is are using with certain color coding able to identify and use the phone number.
16:36:22 [Lisa]
q+
16:36:28 [Jennie]
ack Julie
16:36:28 [Lisa]
ack next
16:36:35 [Lisa]
ack next
16:36:43 [julierawe_]
Rain: Is there a phone number is an important binary because right now it's not required. Then we need to move on to the qualitative questions under a series of different contexts.
16:37:32 [julierawe_]
Lisa: Another approach is a maturity model. Does your research include people with learning and cognitive disabilities? How many? How many different ones are included?
16:37:53 [kirkwood]
is it in a standard place? - is there a style guide? has a usability test been done? are the link and scrolls? .. is there a self attestation to include cogntive disabilities in testing?
16:37:59 [julierawe_]
Lisa: The maturity model is a completely different angle. Does your user testing include people with learning and cognitive disabilities? Do the tasks include getting help?
16:38:37 [Jennie]
q+
16:38:44 [julierawe_]
Lisa: Coming from an entirely different angle. But if you've included in your design team, a focus group or qualitative testing with variety of people, then you've done it and I think you've done it better than a unit test
16:39:21 [julierawe_]
Lisa: Having some unit tests, yes, we need to identify them. But is that phone number above the fold? Is that phone number findable?
16:39:51 [julierawe_]
Lisa: I'm not saying we should do this, but maybe this is a better direction for Content Usable. What are the different approaches, the different ways that an organization could do it
16:40:24 [julierawe_]
John K: I agree with everything that has been said.
16:40:52 [julierawe_]
John K: To address through internal style guides and commitment to test with people with learning and cognitive disabilities
16:41:16 [julierawe_]
John K: To attest that it was done and get feedback from users to ensure that this community is heard
16:41:51 [julierawe_]
John K: The phone number is a great example. I have a lot of hesitation around phone numbers online with larger entities I've worked with.
16:42:04 [Lisa]
q+
16:42:25 [julierawe_]
John K: I'm a little bit wary of putting too much into phone numbers because a lot of companies can't do it just from a scaling perspective, so I want to ensure we don't depend too heavily on phone numbers
16:42:50 [julierawe_]
Shawn: I agree with what's been said. What I'm hearing a lot is usability testing. Test with people with disabilities.
16:43:15 [julierawe_]
Shawn: Binary testing is good. I agree with Rain that baby steps are good to start off small and hopefully end big.
16:43:34 [julierawe_]
Shawn: Make sure you have a human person to call or email is just a start. Make it findable is another thing.
16:43:43 [julierawe_]
Shawn: I think focusing on usability testing might be where we have to go.
16:44:06 [kirkwood]
+1 to focus on usability testing procedures
16:44:23 [julierawe_]
Jennie: My perspective is I'm hearing lots of support for this idea. One of the things we have to tease out is which section to focus on for our example.
16:44:45 [julierawe_]
Jennie: To do that, we need to weed out certain parts to make sure we're focusing on specific area that will be the best example to test.
16:45:10 [Jennie]
Proposal: homework - each group member write out a sample structure of what the document that could be created would contain.
16:45:48 [Lisa]
+1
16:45:57 [julierawe_]
Jennie: Does the group feel that one homework assignment — to write out the headings — is helpful?
16:45:59 [ShawnT]
+1
16:46:01 [kirkwood]
understand that my hesitation for phone number can give an ‘out’ to ensuring that the site is independently accessible for those with diverse cognitive needs
16:46:01 [julierawe_]
+1
16:46:05 [kirkwood]
+1
16:46:08 [Rain]
+1
16:46:19 [Jennie]
ack Jennie
16:46:44 [Jennie]
ack Lisa
16:47:05 [julierawe_]
Lisa: Taking 4.8.1 as the one that we use might be a good one to experiment with. My husband and I are neurodiverse. We're trying to get through to an organization. We tried their What'sApp chat and it's a bot
16:47:18 [julierawe_]
Lisa: We can't reach anyone who is vaguely helpful.
16:48:02 [julierawe_]
Lisa: What is the process to make sure all the unit tests? If they have a phone number and the phone number takes you to a bot?
16:48:33 [julierawe_]
Lisa: If everyone does it, then we could see how they compare
16:48:49 [julierawe_]
Lisa: We may see the limitations of the help
16:49:09 [kirkwood]
… that said a well-designed phone tree can be better than a website
16:49:18 [julierawe_]
Jennie: This has been a really good conversation. Shawn, can you put link to where we'll put the homework?
16:49:37 [julierawe_]
q+
16:49:39 [Lisa]
is it this link?https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Otsl4HTCvpQj63xYVKzOVkulf6o75dWEthu6WI9Vtj8/edit#heading=h.7ejnh0q5wdpx
16:50:19 [julierawe_]
Jennie: Coming back to our KPI: We have initial draft created, feedback from key stakeholders like AG and Rules Working Group, and get to working draft.
16:50:30 [julierawe_]
Jennie: Does anyone have concerns about that plan?
16:50:41 [Lisa]
eg is for example
16:51:06 [Jennie]
Julie: I want to address John K's concerns about the phone number
16:51:22 [Jennie]
....We may want to think broadly to include the other ways to get help other than just a phone number
16:51:35 [Jennie]
...It is valid that having a phone number as the only option for help would be onerous
16:51:40 [kirkwood]
ok thank you
16:52:02 [Lisa]
+1
16:52:08 [Rain]
+1
16:52:22 [ShawnT]
+1
16:52:28 [Lisa]
Initial exploratory draft created, feedback requested from some stakeholders (EG silver, rules WG) Plan to get to working draft (phase 1)
16:52:28 [Jennie]
Initial exploratory draft created, feedback requested from some stakeholders (EG silver, rules WG) Plan to get to working draft (phase 1)
16:52:39 [julierawe_]
+1
16:52:46 [kirkwood]
+1
16:53:27 [julierawe_]
Jennie: March 2023 is when we're scheduled to complete draft and collect first round of feedback
16:53:34 [julierawe_]
Lisa: Confirmed
16:53:54 [julierawe_]
Jennie: Is the group confident that if we put together some proposals together that we could achieve that KPI in March?
16:53:55 [julierawe_]
q+
16:54:05 [Lisa]
0 need to see how it looks after the homeworks....
16:54:13 [Jennie]
Julie: I think that a question I have - the draft is doable
16:54:20 [Jennie]
....I'm not sure how long it will take to get feedback
16:54:29 [Jennie]
...Example: it could take a couple of months
16:54:55 [julierawe_]
0
16:54:59 [ShawnT]
0
16:55:07 [julierawe_]
0 because not sure how long it will take to get feedback from other group
16:55:23 [julierawe_]
Jennie: Is is reasonable if the group confirms the KPI the next time we get together?
16:55:36 [julierawe_]
Lisa: It's good for us to think about do we need to adjust the KPI
16:55:51 [julierawe_]
Jennie: Did Shawn find a spot for drafting the homework?
16:56:00 [julierawe_]
Shawn: Lisa posted the link
16:56:01 [Lisa]
is it this link?https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Otsl4HTCvpQj63xYVKzOVkulf6o75dWEthu6WI9Vtj8/edit#heading=h.7ejnh0q5wdpx
16:56:17 [julierawe_]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Otsl4HTCvpQj63xYVKzOVkulf6o75dWEthu6WI9Vtj8/edit#heading=h.7ejnh0q5wdpx
16:56:33 [Lisa]
RRSAgent, publish minutes
16:56:33 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/10-coga-minutes.html Lisa
16:56:43 [julierawe_]
Jennie: I'm adding a section "Draft your document structure here" and will put each person's name so you can search for your name and find your spot
16:57:41 [julierawe_]
Shawn: I'll fix the headings
16:58:00 [julierawe_]
Jennie: It sounds like we have a plan for the next meeting. If there are questions in between, please reach out to Shawn and myself
16:58:01 [julierawe_]
q+
16:58:26 [julierawe_]
Julie: When do we need to complete homework assignment?
16:58:32 [julierawe_]
Shawn: Dec 15 is our next group meeting
16:58:42 [julierawe_]
Jennie: That works for me
16:58:52 [ShawnT]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Subgroups
16:59:05 [ShawnT]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Subgroups/Testing
16:59:10 [julierawe_]
Lisa: Confirm that's what's on the subgroup page
16:59:19 [julierawe_]
Jennie: Wishing everyone a wonderulf rest of your day!
16:59:26 [Lisa]
RRSAgent, publish minutes
16:59:26 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/10-coga-minutes.html Lisa