IRC log of pronunciation on 2022-11-09
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- Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 09 November 2022
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- agenda?
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- https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/wiki/DRAFT-:-Response-to-WHAT
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- mhakkinen: What concerns me is the content bloat and authoring challenge of wrapping individual words with multiple elements to properly form the SSML markup. I see this occurring a lot with MathML in HTML when used to “style” a variable occurring in the text.
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- https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/explainer/
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- mhakkinen: A key disadvantage is that inline SSML appears to be more difficult for Assistive Technologies to implement, specifically for screen reader
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- janina: if we are not ready to ask WHATWG, then we need to figure out our approach
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- mhakkinen: If we see our goal to control the presentation of the text in web content, how would in-line addresses the concerns which is difficult to do
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- mhakkinen: may be WHATWG can think of better way to do iot
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- janina: may be they can help us to do it more effectively
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- janina: we are looking for their help in figuring this help.
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- janina: I will work on this DRAFT to convey our message more effectively
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- janina: asking some help from them is reasonable
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- mhakkinen: it is good to bring back Joanie in this conversation since she has solid expertise in this matter
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- mhakkinen: another person is Glen Gordon that we can bring back to this conversation
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- janina: let me take another look into this DRAFT to ask help from WHATWG
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- mhakkinen: CSS. can do some of this but not everything
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- zakim, takeup item 3
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- I don't understand 'takeup item 3', IrfanA
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from IrfanA]
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 1 closed
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- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Action Items https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/wiki/DRAFT-:-Response-to-WHAT [from IrfanA]
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- Action Items https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/wiki/DRAFT-:-Response-to-WHAT -- taken up [from IrfanA]
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 2 closed
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- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. Github Issues and examples [from IrfanA]
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- IrfanA: Email from Publishing A11Y task force
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- Hello, In the Publishing Community Group, we have created the User Experience Guide to help retailers and libraries provide meaning full accessibility metadata. One of the Schema.org features is “TTS Markup” The guidance information says: If specific markup is provided to assist TTS pronunciation, the type should be included. Our question, “What should be in the example text, ” It is OK to have more than one ex[CUT]
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- We do not want anything long and we do not need links to specifications. Something like: TTS markup using SSML has been provided for uncommon proper names. Or XYZ markup was used for important terms.
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- NeilS: we are not at point where we can suggest markup yet
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- mhakkinen: EPUB may have some examples
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- mhakkinen: we have referenced in our gap-analysis document
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- <p><span ssml:alphabet="ipa" ssml:ph="ipʌb">EPUB</span> is an …</p>
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- https://www.w3.org/publishing/epub3/epub-contentdocs.html#sec-xhtml-ssml-attrib
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- mhakkinen: will write the response to George
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- Chair: Irfan Ali
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- scribe: Irfan Ali
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- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
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