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18:43:55 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIAAuthoring Practices Task Force
18:44:04 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Matt King
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19:13:36 <Matt_King> TOPIC: QA for Restructure
19:14:43 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: before QA we need a preview link.  That's on Alex's plate.  An update from Alex
19:15:35 <CurtBellew> Alex: Preview link is not far off.  Patterns pages, practices pages, homes pages etc look great.  Lacking is the 'About' pages.  Possibly tomorrow for a link
19:15:42 <CurtBellew> present+
19:16:21 <CurtBellew> Alex: we may need a different PR for ARIA practices to remove transformations when they aren't needed.
19:16:46 <CurtBellew> Alex: That PR might be where the link will be contained
19:17:18 <CurtBellew> Alex -> Alexander Flenniken
19:18:04 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Do we actually want to cahnge the pattern or what's on the patterns page?
19:18:16 <CurtBellew> Alex: The pattern.  Just a few cases of altering first sentences
19:18:58 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: If we change the pattern page first sentence has to be done with care
19:19:26 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Expecting a preview link this week
19:19:28 <CurtBellew> Alex: Yes
19:20:05 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: PR 2417.  Is the PR with the preview link.  We will need reviewers
19:21:14 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Ideally we would have 6 people.  It's a very visual review.  Mostly this review is due to changes in HTML and we want to be sure the styling is preserved.
19:21:43 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Comparing the existing pages to the new version.  Divided up in to 3 buckets overall.  Listed in the PR
19:21:59 <Matt_King> Link to PR 2417: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2417
19:23:52 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Assigning reviewers.  Testing to be sure all the content is visible and that functionality is not interrupted.  Goal of having reviews done by November 29th 2022.
19:24:11 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: 60 to 90 minutes available for testing.
19:24:45 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: around 35 pages in each bucket.  Hoping to have at least 2 people testing per bucket.
19:25:27 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Alex, should testers be testing links etc
19:25:39 <CurtBellew> Alex: Yes.  Best practice would be to test links.
19:26:00 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Could the testers do a sampling of links on the page to be effective or would it be necessary to test each link.
19:26:40 <CurtBellew> Alex: Yes. Spot checking is adequate.  We fully expect all the links to work but a sanity check is best.
19:26:53 <CurtBellew> jongund: I can take a couple buckets
19:29:21 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Assigned reviewers - Siri, CurtBellew, jongund, Helen , Jemma
19:29:51 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Adding a separate comment that will assign people to buckets.  Once the preview link is ready I'll create a comment with names and buckets
19:29:59 <CurtBellew> Matt_King:
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19:30:26 <siri> can you please keep issue number once again
19:31:01 <jongund> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2417
19:32:14 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Let's understand the buckets .  Bucket 1 - patterns page and any of the examples linked to from that pattern. Landmark regions. Practices.  Home page.
19:34:25 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Landmarks includes doing the landmark example pages.  Linked to from the practices page
19:35:02 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Bucket 2 - patterns and examples linked to.  Names and descriptions and developing a keyboard interface and the index page
19:35:26 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Bucket 3 - Slider through window splitter.  Patterns and the About page
19:36:07 <CurtBellew> Siri: Will assign the buckets to us specifically?
19:36:20 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: yes.  You'll get an update from the github system when I make the update
19:36:47 <CurtBellew> Siri: A comment would be great plus a comment as to when the preview available and when it's needed.
19:37:48 <CurtBellew> Alex: will merge the About page PR in to merge examples
19:38:25 <CurtBellew> Alex: the note PR - I have left a not there.  I may take back some of my feedback and then work on some styling issues.  Leaning towards just merging it.
19:39:48 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Conflicts in PR 2417.  Landmark CSS - there are 3 files that are different between branches.  Two HTML files that are in conflict having to do with Landmarks
19:40:09 <CurtBellew> Alex: conflict between main branch and move-examples branch
19:40:19 <CurtBellew> Alex: ?
19:40:33 <CurtBellew> Alex: I'll look at each case individually
19:40:58 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Yes , best idea is just to take the lines in conflict and make those inline modification directly
19:41:48 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: After the preview is in place an review is happening I will bookmark a bunch of pages where the URLs will be changing so I can sample the bookmarks to make sure the redirects are working.
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19:44:52 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Checkbox key repeat fix
19:45:30 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: We talked about checkbox fix last week.  We do have some approvals to merge.  Waiting for a review from Alex related to test.
19:46:31 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Should we hold this until after 2417 is merged and then ask the person to rebase?  or Should we merge this domain to save the new contributor this trouble?
19:47:29 <CurtBellew> Alex: I would be willing to 'cherry pick' the commit for the changes and merge
19:48:02 <CurtBellew> PR # 2518
19:48:20 <CurtBellew> Alex: Why on keyup instead of keydown
19:48:31 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: to avoid toggle repeat when key is held down
19:49:20 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Ratings slider - jongund had to leave so we skip it this week
19:49:43 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Navigation treeview issue.  Specific to talkback.  Is there anybody on this call who can test with Talkback?
19:50:15 <CurtBellew> All answered that nobody has access to a Talkback device.
19:50:50 <Matt_King> TOPIC: “Radio Group Example Using aria-activedescendant” does not work in iOS/VoiceOver
19:51:04 <Matt_King> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2475
19:53:46 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: Guessing this is with quicknav turned off while using the arrow keys and space bar ?
19:54:52 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: It's possible that IOS is not supporting this.  Bryan Garaventa , can you please test this?
19:55:42 <CurtBellew> Bryan: Yes.  I don't use a keyboard on IOS.  When you use the arrow keys it just navigates through the options rather than selecting the radio buttons
19:57:44 <CurtBellew> Bryan: Previous is in reference to cases where you use a bluetooth keyboard with iOS.
19:58:45 <CurtBellew> Bryan: In my testing it doesn't seem like the active descendant will function in this scenario
19:59:32 <CurtBellew> Matt_King: So there is some question as to whether or not javascript can ever receive an arrow key in this scenario
19:59:48 <CurtBellew> Bryan: they work in some cases.  There were some cases added to the slider role for instance
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20:18:08 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Next Meeting
20:18:19 <Matt_King> Next meeting is November 29.
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