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21:50:16 <RiccardoAlbertoni> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup
21:50:25 <RiccardoAlbertoni> zakim, start meeting
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21:50:26 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), RiccardoAlbertoni
21:50:35 <RiccardoAlbertoni> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup
21:50:45 <RiccardoAlbertoni> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:50:52 <RiccardoAlbertoni> RRSAgent, make logs public
21:51:51 <RiccardoAlbertoni> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:52:04 <RiccardoAlbertoni> present+
21:52:21 <RiccardoAlbertoni> chair: RiccardoAlbertoni
21:53:58 <RiccardoAlbertoni> regrets+ AndreaPerego
21:54:08 <RiccardoAlbertoni>  RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:55:07 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Agenda:   https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2022.11.03
21:55:23 <RiccardoAlbertoni> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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22:09:30 <DaveBrowning> present+
22:09:40 <alejandra> present+
22:10:22 <RiccardoAlbertoni> PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2022/10/18-dxwgdcat-minutes
22:10:30 <alejandra> 0 (absent)
22:10:37 <DaveBrowning> +1
22:10:40 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
22:10:47 <RiccardoAlbertoni> RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2022/10/18-dxwgdcat-minutes
22:10:51 <DaveBrowning> scribenick: alejandra
22:10:58 <RiccardoAlbertoni> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
22:10:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/03-dxwgdcat-minutes.html RiccardoAlbertoni
22:11:05 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2022.11.03
22:11:19 <alejandra> +1
22:11:23 <DaveBrowning> regrets+ AndreaPerego
22:11:28 <DaveBrowning> +1
22:11:46 <alejandra> Topic: Pending PRs
22:11:51 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Updating dcat3-external.* #1538 https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1538
22:12:16 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1498
22:12:22 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1533
22:12:36 <alejandra> RiccardoAlbertoni: the PR is a draft
22:12:44 <alejandra> ... and the issues are those in the links
22:13:31 <alejandra> ... the issues are about the RDF that we provide for DCAT3, different files that we provide in DCAT2
22:13:51 <alejandra> ... complementary file that includes the terms from third-party vocabularies
22:14:04 <alejandra> ... the PR is for the second kind of terms (those borrowed from other vocabularies)
22:14:13 <alejandra> ... Andrea listed some changes that we need to do
22:15:15 <alejandra> ... there are some decisions to be taken to be consistent - in particular, in DCAT2 we use scope notes (skos:scopeNote) to indicate the notes in DCAT, skos:definition for definitions
22:16:09 <alejandra> ... definition is reused when there is a comment about DCAT2
22:16:34 <alejandra> ... now we are providing DCAT3, and now it will be confusing to find those notes with 'in the context of DCAT2'
22:17:00 <alejandra> ... when a term is added to DCAT, it is tracked by different skos term (skos:changeNote)
22:17:19 <alejandra> ... the proposal is to update all of the DCAT2 mentions in the definitions and in skos:scopeNote's
22:17:34 <alejandra> ... keep DCAT2 when we explain that the term was added in a given version
22:17:49 <alejandra> +q
22:18:14 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
22:18:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/03-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning
22:19:59 <alejandra> alejandra: question about the multiple use of skos:definition in some terms
22:21:10 <alejandra> RiccardoAlbertoni: one of the definitions is the one of the original term, then we clarify "in the context of DCAT 2" we use it in this way
22:22:12 <alejandra> alejandra: ok, then I propose that we put "In the context of DCAT" without naming a version
22:22:25 <alejandra> ... as this would make it future-proof for the next versions
22:24:21 <alejandra> RiccardoAlbertoni: we need to check that the definition is still valid
22:26:17 <RiccardoAlbertoni> we can update skos:scopeNote and skos:definition by turning “in the context of DCAT 2" to "in the context of DCAT"
22:26:46 <alejandra> PROPOSED: we will update skos:scopeNote and skos:definition by turning “in the context of DCAT 2" to "in the context of DCAT"
22:27:09 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
22:27:10 <alejandra> +1
22:27:12 <DaveBrowning> +1
22:27:26 <alejandra> RESOLVED: we will update skos:scopeNote and skos:definition by turning “in the context of DCAT 2" to "in the context of DCAT"
22:29:02 <alejandra> PROPOSED: we will keep using skos:scopeNote to describe when a property or class was added to DCAT 3
22:29:14 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Proposed: We keep the skos:changeNote as they are, and add  "Property added in this context in DCAT 3.0."@en ; for new terms
22:29:29 <alejandra> +1
22:29:31 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
22:29:33 <DaveBrowning> +1
22:29:42 <alejandra> RESOLVED: We keep the skos:changeNote as they are, and add  "Property added in this context in DCAT 3.0."@en ; for new terms
22:30:23 <alejandra> PROPOSED: we will not modify the skos:changeNote's that describe that the property or class was added in DCAT 2
22:31:10 <alejandra> +1
22:31:12 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
22:31:15 <DaveBrowning> +1
22:31:22 <alejandra> RESOLVED: we will not modify the skos:changeNote's that describe that the property or class was added in DCAT 2
22:31:30 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
22:31:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/03-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning
22:31:33 <alejandra> q-
22:31:53 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Properties without specified domains #1537 https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1537
22:32:13 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1534
22:32:45 <alejandra> DaveBrowning: PR makes a clarification
22:33:16 <alejandra> ... for the use of properties that don't have specified domains
22:34:37 <alejandra> alejandra: makes sense, I'll also approve
22:34:42 <alejandra> RiccardoAlbertoni: we can then merge it
22:36:04 <alejandra> ... and mark the issue as due for closing
22:36:26 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Update metadata of the RDF definition of DCAT3 #1508 https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1508
22:38:07 <alejandra> RiccardoAlbertoni: this PR can wait till the final steps of the recommendation but we need to take care of it
22:40:55 <alejandra> ... it will be better to discuss when Andrea is present
22:41:13 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1524
22:42:09 <alejandra> RiccardoAlbertoni: Dave looked at this and considered that this request is out of scope
22:42:48 <alejandra> ... we don't have experts on privacy though
22:44:04 <alejandra> DaveBrowning: the WG could consider this for a future version or we could consider that we do not have any requirements to support this
22:44:20 <alejandra> ... the decision by the plenary to postpone this discussion is acceptable
22:44:50 <alejandra> ... as discussed in the plenary, it is a profile issue - to my mind is a domain specific issue
22:45:19 <alejandra> ... it is sensible to defer the discussion and see if we can do something in the future
22:45:27 <alejandra> ... we need to respond to the issue along those lines
22:45:32 <alejandra> ... and I'm happy to reply
22:46:59 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1526
22:47:48 <alejandra> RiccardoAlbertoni: we provided an explanation with some sort of mechanism using checksums for distributions
22:48:12 <alejandra> ... we are not sure if the metadata we are serving is authentic and the integrity of the metadata is guaranteed
22:48:31 <alejandra> ... this depends on how DCAT metadata is provide, should be defined at the level of RDF or SPARL
22:49:05 <alejandra> ... not completely out of scope
22:50:02 <alejandra> ... we should try to add a note explaining that we are aware of this issue
22:50:39 <alejandra> ... and that we are waiting for a solution that is in progress, but also that we should consider the three points
22:50:49 <DaveBrowning> q+
22:51:43 <alejandra> RiccardoAlbertoni: we could try to draft something considering the suggestion and present it
22:52:21 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack DaveBrowning
22:52:41 <alejandra> DaveBrowning: we have to respond, don't have an issue with suggestions 1 and 3, the second one, I don't have a way that I could add to the list
22:53:08 <alejandra> ... but that highlights that I don't understand entirely the scope of this
22:53:27 <alejandra> ... integrity and authenticity of DCAT metadata, surely it is not only the transfer of the metadata
22:53:42 <alejandra> ... but it is also knowing about the origin
22:54:26 <alejandra> ... we should accept the challenge and say that we could do 1 and 3, maybe 2, but also what other questions we should cover
22:55:03 <alejandra> ... the checksum does a thing, but I could imagine that it might persist across different sources of the metadata
22:55:10 <alejandra> ... what am I really protecting
22:56:07 <alejandra> +q
22:56:31 <alejandra> DaveBrowning: we also have a question of addressing this now or leave it for the future
22:56:40 <alejandra> ... postponing features has to happen sometimes
22:57:04 <alejandra> RiccardoAlbertoni: we can provide acknowledgment of the issue in the specification
22:57:15 <alejandra> ... it is not completly in or out of scope
22:57:47 <alejandra> ... maybe mixing acknowledgement of the issue, including the suggestion that he makes, and linking to ongoing activity
22:58:20 <alejandra> DaveBrowning: agreed
23:00:45 <alejandra> alejandra: the issue seems valid and something to address, I would say that we could acknowledge this in the issue itself and not necessarily add something in the spec yet, but whenever we address the issue (in future versions)
23:01:29 <DaveBrowning> https://w3c.github.io/rch-wg-charter/explainer.html
23:02:44 <alejandra> DaveBrowning: the issue could be address by the outputs of this new WG
23:03:58 <alejandra> RiccardoAlbertoni: we could add a note to the security section
23:04:29 <DaveBrowning> ?q
23:04:33 <DaveBrowning> q?
23:05:08 <alejandra> q-
23:07:07 <alejandra> RiccardoAlbertoni: will try to draft a sentence
23:07:41 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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23:07:44 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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