12:06:06 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:06:06 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-wot-irc 12:06:24 meeting: WoT-IG/WG 12:06:34 dapew has joined #wot 12:06:46 mlagally_ has joined #wot 12:06:53 ktoumura has joined #wot 12:06:57 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:08:25 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:08:34 scribenick: Ege 12:08:34 scribenick: Ege 12:08:52 topic: Agenda 12:08:55 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#2_November_2022 12:09:05 mm: no IE applications 12:09:17 subtopic: Minutes Review 12:09:39 s/subtopic/topic/ 12:09:43 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/10/26-wot-minutes.html Oct-26 12:11:37 mm: any changes to the minutes? 12:11:40 present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura 12:11:47 mm: ok, we publish. any objections? 12:11:58 mm: no objections heard, publishing 12:12:35 topic: Quick updates 12:12:43 subtopic: DST 12:12:52 mm: note the change 12:12:55 topic: cancellations 12:13:04 s/topic:/subtopic:/ 12:13:07 q+ 12:13:20 i/cancel/subtopic: IIWOT23/ 12:13:41 i/cancel/mm: pinged the organizer/ 12:13:45 ack e 12:13:55 q+ 12:13:56 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations 12:14:15 mm: there was some confusion with the slots I think 12:14:26 ek: I have fixed it, I will chair the TD call next week 12:14:30 q+ 12:14:33 ack ml 12:14:42 sk: should we have main call next week? 12:14:50 sebastian has joined #wot 12:15:15 ml: We can dedicate arch call of tomorrow for profile discussions 12:15:50 ml: I can host the main call next week. We need more plugfests 12:16:13 mm: I am ok with Michael Lagally chairing 12:16:35 q? 12:16:41 mm: however, cr transition request needs work so I would propose that you spend half of the call tomorrow for arch cr transition 12:17:30 ka: Would it make sense to have the main call if we do not have the chairs 12:17:45 ka: so we cannot make any resolution 12:17:59 mm: if it is about organizing the testfest, we can do it in the testing call 12:18:19 ka: if the agenda is just about the testfest, it is fine but should be done in the testing call 12:19:51 ack k 12:20:50 ml: it would be nice for colleagues in japan if we host it earlier 12:21:01 sk: it might be confusing for people trying to join the main call 12:21:07 topic: Publications 12:21:16 mm: we should not send the request last minute 12:21:23 subtopic: Architecture 12:21:41 mm: we have completed review of PRs and merged one to put CR related text 12:21:46 dezell has joined #wot 12:21:59 present+ David_Ezell 12:22:03 mm: we marked entire section 7 as non-normative since it has no assertions in it 12:22:06 i/Publications/[ conclusion: as put on the Cancellations section of the main wiki, Main call cancelled but Testfest call will be held. ]/ 12:22:54 mm: I want to have a resolution about the arch spec. we can do it in the order as well. 12:22:59 mm: I prefer going in order 12:23:39 subtopic: TD 12:23:52 mm: PLH told me that we are missing CR exit criteria 12:24:03 s/PLH/Ralph/ 12:24:53 mm: I have the assertions at risk marked in the beginning of the document 12:25:11 mm: I have added tooltip information for the meaning of some abbreviations 12:25:17 i|we have compl|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-wot-profile-minutes.html#r01 Nov-2 Arch+Profile minutes| 12:25:26 mm: I have removed a note about the process 12:26:07 mm: any objections to merge TD PR 1736? 12:26:11 i|told me|-> https://github.com/w3c/transitions/issues/467 CR Transition request for TD 1.1| 12:26:31 +1 12:26:57 i|any ob|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1736 wot-thing-description PR 1736 - CR exit criteria| 12:26:59 subtopic: Discovery 12:27:06 mm: I have 3 PRs 12:27:40 ... one about the at risk items, one about IR, one about the cr exit criteria 12:28:18 mm: I have added a paragraph that should be reviewed. there was the same in the TD 1.0 12:28:18 i|have 3|-> https://github.com/w3c/transitions/issues/465 CR Transition request Discovery| 12:28:23 ... any objections? 12:28:30 q+ 12:28:45 https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/435 12:29:31 s/https/-> https/ 12:29:49 s/435/435 wot-discovery PR 435 - CR exit criteria/ 12:30:27 mm: any ojbections to merge after merge conflict resolution? 12:30:34 i|any|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/438 wot-discovery PR 438 - List ALL at-risk assertions in sotd| 12:31:45 (will be merged after resolving the conflicts) 12:31:57 mm: PR 437 12:31:57 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/437 wot-discovery PR 437 - IR updates: tooltips, RIOT result correction 12:32:05 mm: any objections to merging PR 437 12:32:59 q+ 12:33:42 (merged) 12:34:38 subtopic: Architecture 12:34:49 subtopic: Arch PR 856 12:35:11 rrsagent, make log public 12:35:14 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:35:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:35:54 q+ 12:36:07 proposal: Proceed with a CR transition request for Architecture 1.1 based on the current editor's draft. 12:36:08 matsuda has joined #wot 12:36:16 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/856 wot-architecture PR 856 - Additional terminology entry for Web Object 12:36:46 s/proposal: Proceed with a CR transition request for Architecture 1.1 based on the current editor's draft.// 12:36:59 ml: we have agreed to defer that PR 856 in the Arch. It is not needed for the CR transition 12:37:04 proposal: Proceed with a CR transition request for Architecture 1.1 based on the current editor's draft. 12:37:12 mm: any changes? 12:37:45 resolution: Proceed with a CR transition request for Architecture 1.1 based on the current editor's draft. 12:37:53 yay 12:38:47 chair: McCool/Sebastian 12:38:48 mm: some work can be done in tomorrow's arch call, mostly editorial 12:39:16 s/subtopic: Architecture/subtopic: Architecture - revisited/ 12:39:39 s/subtopic: Arch PR 856// 12:39:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:39:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:39:46 ack k 12:39:55 q+ 12:39:59 subtopic: Profile 12:40:17 ml: I expect to do 3-4 calls and then do a plugfest/testfest 12:40:30 i|expect|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/10/26-wot-minutes.html#t11 discussion during the previous main call| 12:41:54 i|expect|-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-profile/testing/report.html latest draft Implementation Report| 12:42:29 mm: we have 4 options 12:42:37 mm: 1 is to defer to next charter 12:42:48 mm: 2 is to publish a wd and defer 12:43:02 mm: 3 is publish a CR and defer PR to next charter 12:43:14 q+ 12:43:17 mm: 4 is to request a charter extension 12:43:18 ack mc 12:43:25 ... and do the pr in the extension charter 12:43:56 ka: I am ok with this kind of vote but I think it does not make sense. What is more important is clarifying the actual publication schedule 12:44:09 q+ 12:45:17 mm: after having the plan, we can attempt to respect that plan 12:46:15 mm: our current schedule is actually option 2 12:46:25 ml: we did not discuss it thoroughly in the calls 12:46:37 q? 12:46:41 ack k 12:46:42 q+ 12:46:46 ack ml 12:47:18 ml: I propose to do it when we have something on the table to decide on. We can have more implementation experience 12:48:26 ml: we can ask for implementations already 12:48:42 mm: generally you want to fix the spec before a testfest 12:48:51 mm: let's talk tomorrow in detail 12:48:54 ml: I agree 12:50:57 mm: let's fix the schedule 12:52:11 proposal: Set Dec 8 as a target date to propose a WD candidate for Profiles to be used as the basis of gathering implementation experience in the Dec 12-18 Testfest/plugfest. 12:52:19 i/let's fix/kaz: we should clarify the proposal of the Profile TF and see if the proposed schedule is feasible./ 12:52:32 resolution: Set Dec 8 as a target date to propose a WD candidate for Profiles to be used as the basis of gathering implementation experience in the Dec 12-18 Testfest/plugfest. 12:53:05 note: typo in resolution, replace with: 12:53:19 resolution: Set Dec 8 as a target date to propose a WD candidate for Profiles to be used as the basis of gathering implementation experience in the Dec 12-16 Testfest/plugfest. 12:53:59 i/resolution/@@@ Kaz to remove the first resolution above/ 12:54:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:54:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:55:11 mm: (edits the md file) 12:56:19 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/charters/wg-2021-extension-plan.md updated schedule 12:56:41 mm: as of april, there is a societal impact questionnaire 12:56:48 mm: we should do it before PR 12:56:50 i/edits/(note: Kaz won't be available on Dec 16.)/ 12:57:33 i/as of april/subtopic: Societal Impact Questionnaire/ 12:57:49 mm: any objections to me creating the PR? 12:57:51 i|as of april|-> https://w3ctag.github.io/societal-impact-questionnaire/ Societal Impact Questionnaire| 12:57:59 mm: hearing none 12:58:11 mm: I will do it in the respective deliverables 12:59:07 mm: I propose to finish testing in nov and dec 12:59:10 q+ 12:59:32 q- 12:59:48 mm: please provide proposals for the charter of next wg 13:00:38 ka: having a dedicated charter discussion would be nice 13:00:50 ka: not a full week but a dedicated call 13:00:55 s/nice/useful/ 13:01:53 i/please pro/ka: I'm OK with any kind of plan for Testing if we can clarify the schedule and agenda for the Testfests./ 13:02:09 ek: how to handle the proposals and the respective PRs? 13:02:47 q+ 13:03:09 s/Testfests./Testfests. From my viewpoint, even more important at this stage is clarifying the work items for the next WG Charter./ 13:03:34 ack e 13:03:42 s/dedicated charter discussion/dedicated vF2F call for Charter discussion/ 13:03:45 mm: each TF can discuss on the concrete proposals 13:04:26 s/a dedicated call/a dedicated call by a few days./ 13:04:32 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:04:32 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:05:01 ek: I would support doing the proposals quickly 13:05:04 present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda 13:05:17 ml: how about using the use case calls in december for that 13:06:26 mm: let's do the testing call at 15 past 13:06:43 s/15/15mins/ 13:06:53 [adjourned] 13:06:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:06:57 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:07:52 i/I'm OK with/scribenick: kaz/ 13:07:54 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:07:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:08:12 i/we should clarify the proposal/scribenick: kaz/ 13:08:19 i/let's fix the schedule/ 13:08:21 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:08:21 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:08:46 i/please provide proposals for the/scribenick: Ege/ 13:08:48 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:08:48 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:09:21 i/let's fix the schedule/scribenick: Ege/ 13:09:24 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:09:24 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:13:24 Ege_ has joined #wot 13:14:47 Mizushima has left #wot 13:17:36 Ege has joined #wot 15:11:52 dape_ has joined #wot 15:30:57 Zakim has left #wot