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13:54:16 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:54:16 <trackbot> Date: 02 November 2022
13:54:59 <matatk> Chair:  Matthew
13:55:00 <matatk> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:55:00 <matatk> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:55:03 <matatk> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:55:06 <matatk> agenda+ New on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
13:55:08 <matatk> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
13:55:11 <matatk> agenda+ Spec Tracking Wiki Reminder https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review
13:55:14 <matatk> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
13:55:17 <matatk> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:55:19 <matatk> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
13:55:22 <matatk> agenda+ Other Business
13:55:24 <matatk> agenda+ be done
13:55:34 <matatk> agenda?
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13:59:54 <PaulG> present+
14:00:42 <matatk> present+
14:00:52 <niklasegger> present+
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14:05:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe: Lionel_Wolberger
14:05:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:05:09 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk]
14:05:16 <matatk> subtopic: WAI leadership transition
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14:06:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: WAI changes in progress, Judy moving on.
14:07:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... MichaelC our staff contact is assuming a bigger role in WAI and will update us further in future
14:07:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... see the Blog for more details
14:07:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Janina returns next week.
14:07:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:07:54 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from matatk]
14:08:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
14:08:17 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
14:08:18 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:08:18 <Zakim> 3. A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from matatk]
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14:08:20 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from matatk]
14:08:41 <Roy> subtopic: ElementInternals's ARIAMixin
14:08:41 <Roy> - issue: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/8442
14:08:41 <Roy> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/142
14:08:43 <matatk> regrets+ Gottfried
14:09:09 <Fazio> present+
14:09:52 <matatk> q?
14:10:12 <Roy> subtopic: [mediaqueries] Suggestion: "prefers-pointer-location"
14:10:12 <Roy> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7872
14:10:12 <Roy> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/141
14:13:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: This relates to i18n and LTR/RTL issues
14:14:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: I18n is tracking
14:14:33 <matatk> q?
14:15:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Handedness, right and/or left, has rarely come up as a digital accessibility issue. This seems to be a first
14:15:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... are there other handedness issues?
14:15:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: This did come up in XR
14:15:38 <Lionel_Wolberger> PaulG: The location of the controls on the page does seem significant
14:15:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:15:44 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- New on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from matatk]
14:15:56 <Roy> subtopic: Portable Network Graphics (PNG) Specification (Third Edition)
14:15:56 <Roy> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/png-3/
14:15:56 <Roy> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics_(PNG)_Specification_(Third_Edition)
14:15:56 <Roy> - Self review: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/42
14:18:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: PNG did come up as prior art, as a method of incorporating meta-data, when we were looking at SVG native
14:18:22 <Roy> subtopic: CSS View Transitions Module Level 1
14:18:23 <Roy> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/css-view-transitions-1/
14:18:23 <Roy> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_View_Transitions_Module_Level_1
14:19:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: This is the spec behind the new Chrome page transitions feature
14:19:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... pages move from one to another, without an obvious page load
14:20:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... reminding APA members, we have many CSS specs to review
14:21:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Since there is a page transition involved, we would need to pay close attention to the way the new page is experienced by a screen reader user
14:22:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> PaulG: The spec is mostly visual involving a screenshot (not certain): but I recall it is purely visual, and should not affect the underlying semantics that screen readers rely upon
14:23:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> Fazio: COGA is concerned with the doorway effect, regarding memory compartmentalization & boundary markers.
14:23:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... suddenly changing a page can trigger the Doorway Effect, so this spec may aid people who are sensitive to that effect
14:23:55 <Fazio> Good to minimize doorway effect and help cognitive accessibility
14:24:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... to minimize doorway effect and help cognitive accessibility
14:24:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> Action: Paul Review CSS View Transitions
14:24:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2331 - Review css view transitions [on Paul Grenier - due 2022-11-09].
14:25:23 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_View_Transitions_Module_Level_1
14:25:30 <Roy> subtopic: Scroll-linked Animations
14:25:30 <Roy> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/scroll-animations-1/
14:25:30 <Roy> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Scroll-linked_Animations
14:26:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: We likely want to ensure that this conforms with 'prefers reduced motion'
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14:29:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> PaulG: This type of scroll may have originated with the Infographics trend of a while ago, where scrolling advanced the (animated) on-screen story
14:30:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... This technology is not new, just enabling what happened before via JavaScript, can now happen by scrolling
14:31:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... all accessibility considerations such as parallax effect (a background moving faster than a foreground) which have adverse effect on people with vestibular disorders
14:31:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... will still apply when scroll controls the animation
14:32:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Agree. And CSS has its own accessibility considerations section
14:32:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: The overall trend of migrating things that were previously scripted, into the CSS world
14:34:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> PaulG: This may improve things for developers, as scripting can cause elements to not be present in the DOM and AX tree
14:34:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... while with this CSS method the elements would be present
14:34:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:34:20 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from matatk]
14:34:46 <matatk> Also: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Active
14:38:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Reminding APA members, you don't need to be an expert in the spec, you just to have an eye for the A11Y potential issues.
14:38:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... You can always ask questions of the spec author
14:39:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we would like to focus on the Web of Things architecture
14:39:27 <matatk> subtopic: WoT Architecture 1.1
14:39:28 <matatk> URL: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Architecture
14:39:43 <niklasegger> q+
14:40:09 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Architecture_1.1
14:41:27 <Roy> - TR: https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-architecture11/
14:41:28 <Roy> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/796
14:41:28 <Roy> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Architecture_1.1
14:41:28 <Roy> - ping: Horizontal Review for CR
14:41:59 <matatk> TPAC conversation: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#Web_of_Things_Accessibility
14:42:51 <matatk> subtopic: WebXR Augmented Reality Module - Level 1
14:42:52 <matatk> URL: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/WebXR_Augmented_Reality_Module_-_Level_1
14:42:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: The TPAC meeting aligned our vocabulary with them very well, e.g., they accepted the 'middleware' term
14:43:13 <niklasegger> ack me
14:44:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... WebXR CG and WG are aware of XAUR, so this just needs a quick looking over
14:44:54 <matatk> q?
14:44:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:45:00 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Spec Tracking Wiki Reminder https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review -- taken up [from matatk]
14:45:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
14:45:17 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
14:45:18 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:45:18 <Zakim> 7. CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues [from matatk]
14:45:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:45:19 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from matatk]
14:46:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> PaulG: No updates, nothing stands out as needing APA attention
14:46:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:46:41 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from matatk]
14:48:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:48:54 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from matatk]
14:49:17 <matatk> To check your own actions: https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/users/my
14:49:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:49:54 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Other Business -- taken up [from matatk]
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14:51:44 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/2022/09/06-wot-minutes.html#t12
14:52:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:52:49 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- be done -- taken up [from matatk]
14:53:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Next week Janina is chair, thanks everyone for attending!@
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