IRC log of apa on 2022-11-02
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- Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 02 November 2022
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- Chair: Matthew
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- agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
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- agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
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- agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
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- agenda+ New on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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- agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
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- agenda+ Spec Tracking Wiki Reminder https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review
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- agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
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- agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
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- agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
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- agenda+ Other Business
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- agenda+ be done
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- agenda?
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- present+
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- present+
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- present+
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- present+
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- scribe: Lionel_Wolberger
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk]
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- subtopic: WAI leadership transition
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- 14:06:15 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- matatk: WAI changes in progress, Judy moving on.
- 14:07:08 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- ... MichaelC our staff contact is assuming a bigger role in WAI and will update us further in future
- 14:07:13 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- ... see the Blog for more details
- 14:07:46 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- ... Janina returns next week.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from matatk]
- 14:08:17 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 2 closed
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- I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 14:08:18 [Zakim]
- 3. A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from matatk]
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- agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from matatk]
- 14:08:41 [Roy]
- subtopic: ElementInternals's ARIAMixin
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- - issue: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/8442
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- - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/142
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- regrets+ Gottfried
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- present+
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- q?
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- subtopic: [mediaqueries] Suggestion: "prefers-pointer-location"
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- - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7872
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- - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/141
- 14:13:54 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- Lionel_Wolberger: This relates to i18n and LTR/RTL issues
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- matatk: I18n is tracking
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- q?
- 14:15:01 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- Lionel_Wolberger: Handedness, right and/or left, has rarely come up as a digital accessibility issue. This seems to be a first
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- ... are there other handedness issues?
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- matatk: This did come up in XR
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- PaulG: The location of the controls on the page does seem significant
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- agendum 4 -- New on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from matatk]
- 14:15:56 [Roy]
- subtopic: Portable Network Graphics (PNG) Specification (Third Edition)
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- - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/png-3/
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- - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics_(PNG)_Specification_(Third_Edition)
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- - Self review: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/42
- 14:18:01 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- matatk: PNG did come up as prior art, as a method of incorporating meta-data, when we were looking at SVG native
- 14:18:22 [Roy]
- subtopic: CSS View Transitions Module Level 1
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- - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/css-view-transitions-1/
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- - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_View_Transitions_Module_Level_1
- 14:19:02 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- matatk: This is the spec behind the new Chrome page transitions feature
- 14:19:13 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- ... pages move from one to another, without an obvious page load
- 14:20:27 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- ... reminding APA members, we have many CSS specs to review
- 14:21:33 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- Lionel_Wolberger: Since there is a page transition involved, we would need to pay close attention to the way the new page is experienced by a screen reader user
- 14:22:22 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- PaulG: The spec is mostly visual involving a screenshot (not certain): but I recall it is purely visual, and should not affect the underlying semantics that screen readers rely upon
- 14:23:29 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- Fazio: COGA is concerned with the doorway effect, regarding memory compartmentalization & boundary markers.
- 14:23:54 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- ... suddenly changing a page can trigger the Doorway Effect, so this spec may aid people who are sensitive to that effect
- 14:23:55 [Fazio]
- Good to minimize doorway effect and help cognitive accessibility
- 14:24:11 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- ... to minimize doorway effect and help cognitive accessibility
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- Action: Paul Review CSS View Transitions
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- Created ACTION-2331 - Review css view transitions [on Paul Grenier - due 2022-11-09].
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_View_Transitions_Module_Level_1
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- subtopic: Scroll-linked Animations
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- - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/scroll-animations-1/
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- - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Scroll-linked_Animations
- 14:26:59 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- matatk: We likely want to ensure that this conforms with 'prefers reduced motion'
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- present+
- 14:29:42 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- PaulG: This type of scroll may have originated with the Infographics trend of a while ago, where scrolling advanced the (animated) on-screen story
- 14:30:13 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- ... This technology is not new, just enabling what happened before via JavaScript, can now happen by scrolling
- 14:31:52 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- ... all accessibility considerations such as parallax effect (a background moving faster than a foreground) which have adverse effect on people with vestibular disorders
- 14:31:54 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- ... will still apply when scroll controls the animation
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- matatk: Agree. And CSS has its own accessibility considerations section
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- matatk: The overall trend of migrating things that were previously scripted, into the CSS world
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- PaulG: This may improve things for developers, as scripting can cause elements to not be present in the DOM and AX tree
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- ... while with this CSS method the elements would be present
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- agendum 5 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from matatk]
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- Also: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Active
- 14:38:32 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- matatk: Reminding APA members, you don't need to be an expert in the spec, you just to have an eye for the A11Y potential issues.
- 14:38:41 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- ... You can always ask questions of the spec author
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- ... we would like to focus on the Web of Things architecture
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- subtopic: WoT Architecture 1.1
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- URL: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Architecture
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- q+
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Architecture_1.1
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- - TR: https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-architecture11/
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- - issue: https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/796
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- - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Architecture_1.1
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- - ping: Horizontal Review for CR
- 14:41:59 [matatk]
- TPAC conversation: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#Web_of_Things_Accessibility
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- subtopic: WebXR Augmented Reality Module - Level 1
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- URL: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/WebXR_Augmented_Reality_Module_-_Level_1
- 14:42:54 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- matatk: The TPAC meeting aligned our vocabulary with them very well, e.g., they accepted the 'middleware' term
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- ack me
- 14:44:44 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- ... WebXR CG and WG are aware of XAUR, so this just needs a quick looking over
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- q?
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 6 -- Spec Tracking Wiki Reminder https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review -- taken up [from matatk]
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 6 closed
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- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 7. CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues [from matatk]
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- agendum 7 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from matatk]
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- PaulG: No updates, nothing stands out as needing APA attention
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- agendum 8 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from matatk]
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- agendum 9 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from matatk]
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- To check your own actions: https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/users/my
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- agendum 10 -- Other Business -- taken up [from matatk]
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- https://www.w3.org/2022/09/06-wot-minutes.html#t12
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- agendum 11 -- be done -- taken up [from matatk]
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- matatk: Next week Janina is chair, thanks everyone for attending!@
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