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13:36:58 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), maryjom
13:37:02 <maryjom> zakim, clear agenda
13:37:02 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:37:09 <maryjom> chair: Mary Jo Mueller
13:37:21 <maryjom> meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
13:37:35 <maryjom> agenda+ Announcements
13:37:49 <maryjom> agenda+ Discussion board walkthrough
13:37:59 <maryjom> agenda+ Questions about using GitHub to propose changes
13:38:09 <maryjom> agenda+ WCAG2ICT project walkthrough
13:38:26 <maryjom> agenda+ Naming / referencing conventions
13:38:39 <maryjom> agenda?
13:40:46 <maryjom> regrets: Gregg Vanderheiden, Chuck Adams, Chris Loiselle
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14:02:56 <dmontalvo> present+ Daniel
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14:03:49 <pday> scribe+ pday
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14:03:51 <Mike_Pluke> present+
14:04:23 <pday> hakim, take up next
14:05:02 <pday> zakim, take up next
14:05:02 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Announcements -- taken up [from maryjom]
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14:05:16 <LauraBMiller> present+
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14:06:27 <pday> maryjom: announcements. CfC (call for consensus) went out, got unanimous approval
14:07:42 <pday> maryjom: Questions on whether to make it a W3C statement instead of a note - consensus was to leave it as a statement. Guidance from Michael was that WCAG2ICT is a good candidate to become a statement - but has to become a note first then voted on to be a statement
14:07:47 <bruce_bailey> q+
14:08:55 <maryjom> ack bruce_bailey
14:09:20 <pday> maryjom: would we add a statement clarifying conformance - suggested this should be raised as an issue if it is a strongly held belief
14:09:51 <pday> bruce_bailey: Questions on if there is anything different needed for note vs statement?
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14:10:23 <pday> Michael Cooper: write as a note now, then can become a statement later if needed - no need to do anything differently when writing
14:10:27 <AnastasiaLanz> present+
14:11:20 <pday> maryjom: There was discussion of using markdown, and splitting document into smaller chunks. Keen to explore - but there may be some time needed to resolve technical details
14:11:24 <MichaelC> q+
14:11:46 <maryjom> ack MichaelC
14:12:14 <pday> MichaelC: Daniel & I will do some quick exploration on what is possible on this. Hope to have a prototype by next week
14:12:16 <Mike_Pluke> q+
14:12:45 <pday> maryjom: if there is a glitch - we can work with other tools for a few weeks if needed
14:13:19 <maryjom> ack Mike_Pluke
14:13:49 <pday> Mike_Pluke: Is it possible to have markdown in issues? Then you can propose new wordings in the issues to help with legibility
14:14:44 <bruce_bailey> q+
14:14:51 <maryjom> ack bruce_bailey
14:15:11 <pday> bruce_bailey: markdown is supported in issues, in wiki, in discussions - all use GitHub markdown
14:15:39 <MichaelC> -> https://docs.github.com/en/get-started/writing-on-github/getting-started-with-writing-and-formatting-on-github/basic-writing-and-formatting-syntax Basic writing and formatting syntax
14:15:57 <pday> maryjom: We are going to learn more about discussions in GitHub today. I have posted videos. If you do not have access contact Daniel.
14:16:48 <pday> maryjom: If you prefer to review rather than creating content, then speak up - that is OK
14:17:26 <pday> zakim, take up next item
14:17:26 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Discussion board walkthrough -- taken up [from maryjom]
14:18:32 <bruce_bailey> Issues:  https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues
14:18:42 <pday> maryjom: Discussions. In main WCAG2ICT repository - there is a discussions tab. Example discussion thread created by MichaelC. We need to create separate discussion threads to help to find them
14:18:49 <bruce_bailey> https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/discussions
14:19:22 <pday> maryjom: Select a category, then enter title, then write the content in markdown, then preview to check formatting
14:19:54 <bruce_bailey> q+
14:19:57 <FernandaBonnin> q+
14:20:05 <maryjom> ack bruce_bailey
14:20:11 <FernandaBonnin> q-
14:20:19 <pday> bruce_bailey: issues vs discussions. Issues - changes in WCAG2ICT, discussions are broader
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14:21:06 <pday> maryjom: Agree. But if you are not sure - put it in the discussion. You can then create an issue from a discussion - so can easily do this later
14:21:22 <Sam> present+
14:21:24 <pday> maryjom: Then the discussion & issue are linked
14:21:26 <Mike_Pluke> q+
14:21:33 <maryjom> ack Mike_Pluke
14:21:56 <maryjom> https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues
14:22:45 <dmontalvo> https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/
14:22:49 <pday>  Mike_Pluke: when looking at issues - saw all W3C issues as well.
14:23:10 <pday> maryjom: we haven't got labels right now - this is a specific WCAG2ICT repository so they are separate from general W3C issues
14:23:48 <pday> maryjom: Added tags for each of the FCs so you can tag easily by these, or WCAG2.2 related issues
14:24:04 <pday> maryjom: If you think we need other tags - let maryjom know and she can make changes
14:24:37 <bruce_bailey> WCAG 2.0 / 2.1 / 2.2  issues are here:  https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues
14:24:37 <pday> q?
14:25:14 <pday> zakim, take up next
14:25:14 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Questions about using GitHub to propose changes -- taken up [from maryjom]
14:25:15 <bruce_bailey> scribe +bruce_bailey
14:26:23 <pday> zakim, take up next
14:26:23 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- WCAG2ICT project walkthrough -- taken up [from maryjom]
14:26:44 <bruce_bailey> scribe -bruce_bailey
14:26:51 <pday> maryjom: project walkthrough. If in the main repository - you can see projects at the top. Then WCAG2ICT note update - this is the only project.
14:27:32 <pday> maryjom: There are different views: board view, table view etc. Board view sorted by columns - so jobs move along the columns as progress updates
14:28:31 <pday> maryjom: table view. Lists by priority - maryjom has tried to order them. So global changes are up top.
14:29:16 <pday> maryjom: All issues have been added and ordered and linked to FCs where appropriate
14:29:33 <pday> maryjom: Everything is in todo
14:29:55 <pday> maryjom: Also have views for WCAG 2.0, 2.1, 2.2 items
14:30:11 <bruce_bailey> q+ to ask if these are ways to sort issues ?
14:30:13 <pday> maryjom: Table view towards the end - have some admin prep included
14:30:39 <maryjom> ack bruce_bailey
14:30:39 <Zakim> bruce_bailey, you wanted to ask if these are ways to sort issues ?
14:30:58 <pday> bruce_bailey - clarifying that these are all ways to sort the issues.
14:31:01 <pday> maryjom: Correct
14:31:21 <pday> maryjom: you can add columns, and filter by values - then create new tab for that filter if required
14:31:43 <pday> bruce_bailey: if you do this, can we all see them?
14:31:55 <maryjom> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/13/views/7
14:31:57 <pday> maryjom: unsure.
14:32:26 <ChrisLoiselle> yes
14:32:38 <ChrisLoiselle> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/13/views
14:33:03 <pday> maryjom: so it looks like once these views are setup, everyone in the project can see them - so give feedback if you want other views setup
14:33:54 <pday> maryjom: In any view, you can click on any issue, then add assignees and you can add yourself
14:34:22 <pday> maryjom: then in status you can change it (e.g. to In Progress when you start working on something) or you can drag between columns
14:34:37 <FernandaBonnin> q+
14:34:44 <maryjom> ack FernandaBonnin
14:35:04 <FernandaBonnin> *zoom issues please go on
14:35:36 <FernandaBonnin> q+
14:35:43 <pday> maryjom: created different views to support kbd only user
14:35:43 <maryjom> ack FernandaBonnin
14:36:14 <pday> FernandaBonnin: is there another alternative to dragging/dropping between columns? What happens when we have more items on the board view?
14:36:48 <pday> maryjom: alternative is to click on issue to open, then click on status field to change to next state as needed - via the dropdown
14:37:31 <pday> FernandaBonnin: is there any priority within each status? to order tasks in each column
14:38:27 <pday> maryjom: don't know if there is any finer sorting. If you want to focus on your issues - you don't have to use project view - go to repository, then search by issue number, or filter by assignee to find your issues
14:38:42 <Mike_Pluke> q+
14:39:23 <pday> maryjom: you can do the same thing from the issue - under projects you have the status field for the project view - so there are multiple ways to do the same thing
14:39:33 <maryjom> ack Mike_Pluke
14:39:53 <pday> Mike_Pluke: finding it difficult to find the project view
14:39:56 <FernandaBonnin> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/13
14:39:59 <bruce_bailey> q+ to ask how to get to view from repo or issues?
14:40:15 <bruce_bailey> q-
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14:40:31 <pday> maryjom: from main repository, click on projects tab - then click on WCAG2ICT Note Updates- that takes you to the project view
14:40:56 <pday> maryjom: if you don't like project view - you can use issues view as needed
14:41:15 <bruce_bailey> q+ to get back?
14:41:39 <pday> bruce_bailey: if in the project view, how can you go back to issues?
14:41:57 <bruce_bailey> q-
14:42:14 <pday> maryjom: seems to require back navigation in browser, or browse directly to the repository. Direct links are in the wiki
14:42:35 <pday> maryjom: GitHub.com/w3c/wcag2ict/wiki has the direct links
14:43:14 <pday> maryjom: Pointed out the wiki tab at top of repository
14:43:41 <pday> All links you need should be available from the main repository page
14:43:53 <pday> maryjom: Wiki has lots of relevant info.
14:44:56 <pday> maryjom: Wiki also has "Drafts for updated content" which may be helpful as a starting place. Mary Jo has done an update to David MacDonald's original word doc
14:45:33 <pday> maryjom: Work for this week - take a look a the aforementioned MJM update to David's work - and see where you want to get started - and assign yourself to an issue (or issues)
14:46:09 <pday> maryjom: your own ID will usually be at the top of the assignees list. From issues, board, or table view - do it from any of these
14:46:18 <FernandaBonnin> q+
14:46:24 <maryjom> ack FernandaBonnin
14:46:55 <pday> FernandaBonnin: Asked for more info on how we are going to work - expectation after we assign ourselves. Conversation for each success criteria (SC)?
14:47:38 <pday> maryjom: Initially start with the document - it has an idea of a possible process - you can read it and see if you agree
14:48:17 <pday> maryjom: next week we'll pick an issue and discuss as a group. There will be some that require discussion - may not agree with an issue, or not understand, or think there should be more.
14:48:36 <pday> maryjom: Either send email to maryjom or add a comment to the issue - saying you want a discussion about this issue
14:49:52 <pday> zakim, next item
14:49:52 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Naming / referencing conventions -- taken up [from maryjom]
14:50:18 <ChrisLoiselle> +1 to Bruce's comment!
14:51:03 <pday> maryjom: Naming/referencing conventions. Lots of repeated use of terms like WCAG2.0 - easy to miss when going through a document. maryjom suggests she makes these global changes before next week
14:51:06 <ChrisLoiselle> You are here
14:51:44 <pday> maryjom: WCAG2.0. What should we change it to? WCAG? WCAG2? WCAG2.x? WCAG2.2?
14:51:53 <bruce_bailey> s/You are here/s
14:52:03 <LauraBMiller> q+
14:52:10 <maryjom> ack LauraBMiller
14:52:52 <pday> LauraBMiller: If you use 2.x it's unknown - may have to add a statement - with the latest release
14:53:13 <pday> maryjom: danger now is future changes.
14:53:25 <bruce_bailey> q+ to suggest keep name, but make specific to 2.2 in intro
14:53:39 <pday> LauraBMiller: Could use 2.0 or 2.1 - give indication of the latest release that we know
14:53:43 <maryjom> ack bruce_bailey
14:53:43 <Zakim> bruce_bailey, you wanted to suggest keep name, but make specific to 2.2 in intro
14:53:59 <LauraBMiller> +1 to bruce with the name
14:54:32 <pday> bruce_bailey: Keep WCAG2ICT name, but be specific on version that we are referring to - WCAG 2.2 or whatever
14:54:35 <LauraBMiller> +1 all of what Bruce said.
14:54:38 <Mike_Pluke> +1
14:54:45 <Sam> +1
14:54:51 <pday> +1
14:54:58 <ThorstenKatzmann> +1
14:54:59 <FernandaBonnin> +1
14:54:59 <AnastasiaLanz_> +1
14:55:01 <olivia-hogan-stark> +1
14:55:04 <Devanshu> +1
14:55:07 <ShawnT> +1
14:55:12 <bruce_bailey> +1 to change 2.0 to 2.2 throughout
14:55:22 <BryanTrogdon> +1
14:55:30 <pday> maryjom: RESOLUTION: Change to WCAG 2.0 to WCAG 2.2 throughout
14:55:49 <pday> RESOLUTION: Change to WCAG 2.0 to WCAG 2.2 throughout
14:56:55 <pday> maryjom: If you have ideas of other global ideas - let Mary Jo know and add to the global changes issue #18
14:56:55 <maryjom> https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/18
14:57:58 <pday> maryjom: Any comments/suggestions - send Mary Jo an email and will add to agenda or address.
14:58:19 <pday> reagent, make minutes
14:58:28 <pday> rrsagent, make minutes
14:58:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/27-wcag2ict-minutes.html pday
15:00:28 <pday> zakim, bye
15:00:28 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been ChrisLoiselle, pday, ShawnT, ThorstenKatzmann, FernandaBonnin, maryjom, Daniel, Devanshu, bruce_bailey, Mike_Pluke, LauraBMiller,
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15:02:32 <maryjom> rrsagent, bye
15:02:32 <RRSAgent> I see no action items