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10:03:07 <kaz> meeting: WoT Architecture
10:03:31 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Sebastian_Kaebisch
10:03:39 <kaz> chair: Lagally
10:04:37 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#Architecture
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10:08:49 <sebastian> <ML presents the agenda>
10:09:03 <kaz> i/ML/topic: Agenda/
10:09:08 <kaz> i/ML/scribenick: sebastian/
10:09:33 <kaz> q+
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10:10:35 <sebastian> We should check the issue about the Profile normative section in Arch11 spec. Should be informative. I provided a PR to solve this issue
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10:11:05 <sebastian> topic: Minutes
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10:11:43 <sebastian> subtopic: WoT Arch
10:11:52 <sebastian> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/10/13-wot-arch-minutes.html
10:12:07 <Mizushima> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
10:14:22 <mlagally> decision: revisit in next charter period
10:15:04 <sebastian> s/decision: revisit in next charter period/decision: revisit in next charter period (issue 815)
10:15:27 <mlagally> anecdotal
10:17:41 <sebastian> ML: any objections?
10:17:47 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Ryuichi_Matsukura
10:17:49 <sebastian> MM: looks good
10:18:00 <sebastian> approved
10:18:02 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
10:18:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:18:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/20-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
10:18:19 <sebastian> subtopic: WoT Profile
10:18:30 <sebastian> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/10/19-wot-profile-minutes.html
10:20:16 <mlagally> there was no consensus - we agreed to cancel the previous resolution
10:20:57 <sebastian> MM: is ok
10:22:27 <mlagally> (ran out of time) - AOB
10:24:14 <sebastian> ML: we will keep the minutes open, will be approved in the next Profile call
10:24:36 <sebastian> topic: Issues to close
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10:24:56 <kaz> i/we will/(Architecture part is approved)/
10:25:37 <mlagally> Update Security Link
10:25:45 <mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/841
10:26:23 <sebastian> s/Update Security/subtopic: Issue 841
10:26:25 <mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/814 -> close
10:26:39 <sebastian> s/https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/841/->https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/841
10:26:58 <sebastian> ML: will close
10:27:07 <mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/587
10:27:12 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 814
10:27:20 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
10:27:30 <kaz> s/814 -> close/814 Issue 814 - Compatibility in the ecosystem [TAG feedback]/
10:27:35 <sebastian> s/https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/814 -> close/->https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/814
10:27:35 <kaz> rrsagent make log public
10:27:40 <kaz> rrsagent draft minutes
10:27:47 <sebastian> ML: close this issue
10:28:04 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 587
10:28:13 <mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/561
10:28:20 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/587
10:28:29 <sebastian> ML: close issue
10:28:35 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:28:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/20-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
10:28:42 <mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/558
10:28:48 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 561
10:29:02 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/561
10:29:08 <sebastian> ML: will close
10:29:28 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 558
10:29:33 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/558
10:29:40 <sebastian> ML: will be closed
10:29:56 <kaz> i|will close|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/841 Issue 841 - Update Security Link|
10:30:04 <mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/555
10:30:08 <mlagally> deferred to 2.0
10:30:14 <sebastian> s/ML: will be closed/ML: will be not closed. Defered to next Arch version
10:30:41 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 548
10:30:44 <mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/548
10:30:46 <kaz> i|close this issue|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/814 Issue 814 - Compatibility in the ecosystem [TAG feedback]|
10:30:58 <sebastian>  ML: close this issue
10:31:08 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 412
10:31:20 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/412
10:31:57 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/561|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/561 Issue 561 - Lifecycle simplification|
10:32:30 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/558|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/558 Issue 558 - Cross reference FPWD drafts of Discovery, TD, ...|
10:33:19 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/555|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/555 Issue 555 - system lifecycle with registration|
10:33:21 <sebastian> <ML shows the text in Arch section 6.5.1>
10:33:33 <sebastian> ML: Issue is addressed, we can close this issue
10:33:43 <kaz> i|https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/555|subtopic: Issue 555|
10:34:17 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/548|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/548 Issue 548 - Align language: use case vs. application domains|
10:34:18 <sebastian> topic: Issues with label "close next week"
10:34:41 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 553
10:34:42 <mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/553
10:34:54 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/412|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/412 Issue 412 - Property affordances claimed to always readable|
10:35:02 <sebastian> MM: Prefer to defer it to next charter
10:35:18 <sebastian> ... relates to registration
10:35:26 <mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/553
10:35:38 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/553|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/553 Issue 553 - Information lifecycle|
10:35:44 <sebastian> ML: ok, defer it
10:36:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:36:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/20-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
10:36:24 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 538
10:36:35 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/538
10:37:04 <sebastian> ML: lets also defer it
10:37:27 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 536
10:37:35 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/536
10:37:42 <sebastian> MM: its now called Matter
10:37:49 <sebastian> q+
10:38:06 <sebastian> ack k
10:38:18 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/538|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/538 Issue 538 - Lifecycle section needs to take peer to peer discovery into account|
10:38:21 <kaz> q+
10:38:22 <kaz> ack s
10:39:12 <sebastian> I'm wondering why achitecture should address this. Maybe more relvant for use case discussion.
10:39:29 <kaz> s/I'm/SK: I'm/
10:39:46 <sebastian> s/relvant/relevant
10:40:33 <sebastian> Kaz: Ok with moving to Use Case doc. New smart home standards should be also mention in the new charter.
10:40:53 <kaz> ack k
10:41:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:41:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/20-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
10:42:11 <kaz> s/its now called/CHIP is now called/
10:42:12 <sebastian> <ML adds "use case" and "charer discussion" to the issue>
10:42:27 <sebastian> issue will be not closed
10:42:33 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/536|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/536 Issue 536 - Relationship to Project Connected Home over IP|
10:42:35 <mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/530
10:42:37 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 530
10:42:44 <kaz> s/charer/charter/
10:42:53 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/530
10:42:54 <kaz> s/to the/labels to the/
10:43:05 <sebastian> ML: Issue seems to be solved
10:43:09 <sebastian> ... going to close
10:43:27 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/530|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/530 Issue 530 - Incorporate Discovery terminology into terminology section|
10:43:27 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 524
10:43:42 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/524
10:43:49 <sebastian> ML: Will keep it open
10:44:31 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 417
10:44:37 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/417
10:45:17 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/524|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/524 Issue 524 - Sequence diagram for TD lookup in a directory service|
10:45:45 <sebastian> ML: Question was answeard in the issue
10:45:51 <sebastian> ... going to close this issue
10:45:55 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/417|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/417 Issue 417 - [question] Is the servient a hypervisor or single application vm?|
10:46:49 <mlagally> proposal: Architecture TF agrees to close issues that are marked as "question" after they had been sufficiently "answered"
10:47:03 <mlagally> resolution: Architecture TF agrees to close issues that are marked as "question" after they had been sufficiently "answered"
10:48:00 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 374
10:48:09 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/374
10:48:12 <sebastian> ML: close
10:48:27 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 365
10:48:32 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/365
10:48:39 <sebastian> ML: close it
10:48:43 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/374|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/374 Issue 374 - Where did w3c-wot-td-context.jsonld and w3c-wot-common-context.jsonld go?|
10:48:55 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 364
10:49:00 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/364
10:49:02 <sebastian> ML: close it
10:49:14 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/365|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/365 Issue 365 - Define gateway|
10:49:17 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 48
10:49:22 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/48
10:49:32 <sebastian> ML: also close it
10:49:43 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/364|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/364 Issue 364 - How does one connect "directly to the cloud"?|
10:50:16 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/48|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/48 Issue 48 - Thing Discovery|
10:50:56 <sebastian> topic: Issues to close or defer
10:50:57 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 508
10:51:10 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/508 Issue 508 - Create a terminology definition for "system user data"
10:52:12 <sebastian> SK: Oliver is not active anymore. We should involve Jiye
10:52:21 <sebastian> ML: let keep it open
10:52:47 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 455
10:52:55 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/455
10:53:18 <sebastian> q+
10:53:53 <sebastian> ack s
10:54:02 <sebastian> ML: close it
10:54:14 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 430
10:54:19 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/430
10:54:23 <sebastian> ML: close it
10:54:39 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/455|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/455 Issue 455 - Cross check terminology of stakeholders with DID|
10:54:40 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 429
10:54:45 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/429
10:54:51 <sebastian> MM: keep it open
10:55:10 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/430|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/430 Issue 430 - Give basic definition of "End-to-End Security"|
10:55:42 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 208
10:55:45 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/429|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/429 Issue 429 - More clearly define "Thing Authentication"|
10:55:49 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/208
10:56:08 <sebastian> ML: keep it open and defer it
10:56:19 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/208|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/208 Issue 208 - Need deployment example for Cloud Server with Client devices|
10:56:38 <sebastian> topic: Issues to resolve by PR transition
10:57:11 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 859
10:57:17 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/859
10:57:28 <sebastian> ML: It seems that APA did not review yet
10:57:32 <sebastian> MM: I will check
10:59:25 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/859|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/859 Issue 859 - Prepare PR publication|
11:01:07 <kaz> q+
11:01:47 <kaz> ack k
11:01:56 <sebastian> topic: PR
11:02:26 <sebastian> subtopic: PR 862
11:02:31 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/862
11:02:49 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/850 related Issue 850 - Contradiction with the WoT Profile spec on protocol bindings
11:03:37 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/862|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/862 PR 862 - Switch Profile to non-normative section|
11:03:39 <sebastian> <there is too less time for detail disussion>
11:04:14 <kaz> (to be discussed during the Profile week next Wednesday)
11:04:18 <kaz> [adjourned]
11:04:25 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:04:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/20-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
11:04:28 <sebastian> ML: lets continue in Profile call
11:04:37 <kaz> s/[adjourned]//
11:04:40 <kaz> [adjourned]
11:04:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:04:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/20-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
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