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13:51:32 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, this will be pcg-a11y
13:51:32 <Zakim> ok, AvneeshSingh
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13:51:48 <AvneeshSingh> chair: AvneeshSingh
13:52:18 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Guidance document for accessibility summary
13:52:32 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Further Feedback for MARC crosswalk.
13:52:45 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Any other business.
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14:04:17 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
14:04:17 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Guidance document for accessibility summary -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
14:04:19 <gautier> present+
14:04:22 <gautier> scribe+
14:04:32 <AvneeshSingh> https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/blob/main/drafts/schema-a11y-summary/index.html
14:04:45 <gautier> avneesh: let start with accessibility summary
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14:05:37 <Bill_Kasdorf> me/ again I don't have the  correct zoom link. Can somebody send it or put it in the IRC please? Sorry about my pathetic calendar situation.
14:05:43 <gautier> GeorgeK: what i did was put in some values in the fetaures table so there's simple language about what you should be doing and why...
14:06:17 <gautier> ...do we want to continue with that approach?
14:06:40 <AvneeshSingh> q?
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14:09:49 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:10:06 <gautier> GeorgeK: more exemples are needed in the table (ruby annotations, hazard, etc.)...
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14:18:01 <gautier> gpellegrino: the second column title (suggested summary) may be changed for a more clear title
14:19:35 <Bill_Kasdorf_> I suggest "Example summaries"
14:19:36 <gautier> gautier: I have a use case for feature braille, the CBFU (french braille code)
14:20:36 <gautier> gautier: in that case more information could be done for type of braille.
14:20:43 <AvneeshSingh> q?
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14:22:25 <Bill_Kasdorf_> Benetech/Bookshare routinely provides described math
14:22:51 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:23:21 <gautier> CharlesL: describedMath is for images of math with alt text
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14:25:12 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:25:38 <gautier> Naomi: displayTransformability I have use cases : reflowable epub with titles as images or table as image should indicate that display transformability is not fully possible (even if they are accessible by alt text)
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14:27:40 <Bill_Kasdorf_> q+
14:28:42 <Bill_Kasdorf_> q-
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14:29:18 <Bill_Kasdorf_> I have a client  who puts Latex in their EPUBs
14:31:23 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:31:32 <gautier> q+
14:32:36 <CharlesL> ack gautier
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14:34:40 <gautier> gautier: longdescription could indicate how they are implemented (details/ annexe, etc.)
14:37:37 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:37:43 <gautier> George: mathML should detail if it's all math included as mathml (or only partial)
14:37:59 <gautier> avneesh: if mathMl is used for chemistry, it should also be stated
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14:39:39 <Bill_Kasdorf_> Another common distinction: Display math is provided as MathML, in-text math is plain text.
14:40:12 <Bill_Kasdorf_> q+
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14:41:51 <AvneeshSingh> ack bill
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14:43:05 <gautier> Bill_Kasdorf_: I have seevral use cases, and i recomand them to say plain text math instead of ASCII or UTF8 that is expert language
14:43:31 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:44:52 <AvneeshSingh> q?
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14:45:11 <gautier> gpellegrino: i suggest to add some style to this table and remove the accessibilityFeature= redondancy
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14:47:24 <gautier> CharlesL: let discuss the other features by email
14:51:45 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:52:30 <gautier> AvneeshSingh: tactile graphique and tactile object can disapear of this table
14:52:39 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
14:52:39 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Further Feedback for MARC crosswalk. -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
14:52:47 <CharlesL> Topic: MARC crosswalk
14:52:53 <CharlesL> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/drafts/a11y-crosswalk-MARC/index.html
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14:55:05 <gautier> chrisoliverottawa: i don't see activity on the immediate future. We've discussed with other experts, we want to keep in touch. We're preparing a position paper for more granularity of marc21. Someone from CELIA done a survey on accessibility metadata use and needs. She'll probably share it soon...
14:55:37 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:56:06 <gautier> ... we see diferent pushs on the subject, we'll comeback on the agenda if we see some modifications to do in the crosswalk
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14:57:12 <gautier> chrisoliverottawa: it's fine to have this crosswalk still as a draft. Many persons have seen it, it brings discussions but in the library world there are many things actually. There will surely be movement in the coming year...
14:57:26 <Naomi> q+
14:58:27 <gautier> AvneeshSingh: can we make it a recomandation? (this mean it's better to not have too much changes after)
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14:59:48 <gautier> chrisoliverottawa: it will take a couple of years to move. We will use the crosswalk to support discussion papers. It may become more granular, so changes will be + not less.
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15:02:59 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make minutes
15:02:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/13-pcg-a11y-minutes.html AvneeshSingh
15:03:08 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make logs public
15:04:13 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make minutes
15:04:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/13-pcg-a11y-minutes.html AvneeshSingh
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15:06:28 <AvneeshSingh> zakim bye
15:06:37 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, leave
15:06:37 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been AvneeshSingh, gpellegrino, mgarrish, CharlesL, chrisoliverottawa, Bill_Kasdorf, GeorgeK, gautier, Bill_Kasdorf_, Naomi
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