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11:54:33 <xfq> Meeting: MiniApps CG Teleconference
11:54:37 <xfq> present+
11:54:42 <xfq> present+ QingAn
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11:58:07 <xfq> present+ Zitao_Wang
11:58:15 <xfq> present+ Dan_Zhou
12:00:20 <xfq> present+ Xiaoping_Zhao
12:00:22 <xfq> present+ martin
12:00:28 <xfq> scribe: xfq
12:01:15 <xfq> chair: Dan_Zhou
12:01:27 <xfq> dan: UI components
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12:01:43 <xfq> present+ xiaoqian
12:01:56 <xfq> martin: created the UI component spec
12:02:14 <xfq> ... in the Packaging spec, we included references to web components
12:02:34 <xfq> present+ Liang_Gao
12:02:49 <xfq> present+ Dawei_Zhang
12:03:20 <xfq> martin: in the new explainer, I added data binding
12:03:23 <xfq> ... and other info
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12:03:48 <xfq> ... info about the type of elements
12:03:55 <xfq> ... checkboxes, etc.
12:04:19 <xfq> ... compare it with PWAs and the rest of the Web standards, mainly HTML and DOM
12:04:39 <xfq> ... I already received some comments from xfq
12:05:03 <xfq> ... once we get the consensus to go ahead
12:05:11 <xfq> ... we can start working on the spec
12:05:28 <xfq> ... I have addressed all comments xfq provided
12:05:57 <xfq> ... once we decided the scope of the document, we can start working on the document
12:06:18 <xfq> ... I think a way to move this forward is to create a WG Note
12:06:37 <xfq> ... to avoid overlapping with other W3C specs
12:07:19 <QingAn> present+
12:07:22 <xfq> ... any comments at this point?
12:07:56 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-components/pull/5
12:08:18 <xfq> ... I've tried to extract info from three miniapp implementations
12:08:40 <xfq> ... I tried to create big blocks of info
12:09:51 <xfq> ... the essence is the same, the implementations are different
12:10:08 <xfq> present+ wind
12:10:36 <xfq> zitao: I think this explainer is the consensus of our previous meetings
12:10:54 <xfq> ... maybe we can write it based on the scope mentioned in the explainer
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12:11:57 <martin> present+ martin_alvarez
12:12:04 <xfq> ... if we can find a way to publish a Note, we can work on a CSS profile
12:12:17 <xfq> ... new components
12:12:47 <xfq> ... would like Dan and others to review and refine it
12:12:53 <xfq> ... call for co-editors
12:13:06 <xfq> ... like the white paper
12:13:14 <xfq> dan: ok
12:13:19 <xfq> ... I'd be happy to
12:13:41 <xfq> martin: feel free to comment on github
12:14:42 <xfq> dan: any comments?
12:15:28 <xfq> QingAn: no update on IoT
12:16:05 <xfq> xiaoping: no update for widgets
12:16:16 <xfq> s/widgets/the widget spec/
12:16:43 <xfq> xiaoping: I have updates on file handling in widgets, though
12:16:54 <xfq> [xiaoping shares his screen]
12:17:43 <xfq> xiaoping: we have done research about file handling in other platforms
12:18:05 <xfq> ... web, quick apps, wechat, baidu, alipay
12:19:02 <xfq> ... we suggest that we write another document on file handling
12:19:19 <martin> q+
12:19:41 <xiaoqian> xfq: another file... an API to access?
12:19:46 <xiaoqian> xiaoqian: @@@
12:19:52 <xfq> scribe+ xiaoqian
12:21:07 <xiaoqian> martin: regarding the first part, how to refer the resources in the component...
12:21:24 <xiaoqian> s/xiaoqian: @@@/xiaoping: @@@
12:22:03 <xiaoqian> ... at least how to handle these URI, it's something we need to describe
12:22:16 <xiaoqian> xiaoping: yes
12:22:39 <xiaoqian> martin: the definition of these APIs is something we need for the spec, I agree we need it
12:22:57 <xiaoqian> dan: I also think these should be in the package spec
12:23:09 <xiaoqian> ... other spec can refer to the packaging
12:23:36 <xiaoqian> martin: there are two parts, how to refer, and how to manage/describe
12:23:52 <xiaoqian> xiaoping: yes, we are thinking about it
12:24:08 <xiaoqian> ... do you have any suggestion regarding the second one?
12:24:30 <xiaoqian> martin: not sure if it's only for MiniApps
12:25:03 <xiaoqian> ... there are several APIs related about this topic
12:25:29 <xiaoqian> ... we need to invest some time thinking about it
12:25:41 <xiaoqian> ... I'll be glad to work with you on this
12:26:53 <martin> q-
12:27:45 <xfq> Topic: Testing
12:29:00 <xfq> zitao: maybe we can create an open-source project in the Open Atom Foundation
12:29:38 <xfq> ... I have discussed with my colleagues internally, they support this
12:29:44 <xfq> ... also want to discuss with you
12:30:16 <xfq> ... what do you think?
12:30:34 <xfq> dan: have you talked with qing?
12:30:47 <xfq> zitao: I discussed with qing in hangzhou
12:31:16 <xfq> ... he need more resources from Alibaba
12:31:30 <xfq> dan: we also need more resources
12:32:40 <xfq> martin: I believe this is important
12:33:27 <xfq> ... not just testing the specs, but also validate the miniapp impls follow the standards
12:34:08 <xfq> s/validate the miniapp impls/validate the miniapps/
12:34:49 <xfq> ... like the Nu Html Checker and EPUBCheck
12:35:37 <xfq> dan: any other topic?
12:35:54 <xfq> zitao: WG recharting
12:36:02 <xfq> ... anything we need to move from CG to WG?
12:36:13 <xfq> s/recharting/rechartering/
12:37:12 <xfq> dan: don't know the criteria
12:37:24 <xfq> zitao: me neither
12:37:35 <xfq> ... but I think UI components work is important
12:37:45 <xfq> ... and maybe widget
12:38:01 <xfq> [Qing left]
12:38:11 <xfq> zitao: for iot, we can discuss when qing is here
12:38:59 <xfq> zitao: we can edit the charter online
12:39:59 <xiaoqian> xfq: we need to have a clear scope if we want to move the UIComponent to the WG
12:40:07 <xiaoqian> zitao: agree
12:40:47 <xfq> https://w3c.github.io/miniapp/charters/wg-2023.html
12:42:30 <xiaoqian> dan: what's the rechartering process?
12:42:59 <xiaoqian> xfq: we need to rewrite the draft charter, then horizontal review, then W3C team & Member review
12:45:13 <xfq> martin: I agree we need to add some text for components
12:45:28 <xfq> ... but not necessarily a normative document
12:45:35 <xfq> ... can be a Note
12:47:16 <xiaoqian> xfq: it depends what we want to define in the Note, does it require patent protection?
12:48:30 <xfq> martin: I can create an issue
12:48:36 <xfq> ... we can discuss it in the issue
12:48:51 <xfq> ... about the type of document we need to create
12:49:05 <xfq> dan: thank you
12:50:30 <xfq> Next meeting, November 17
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