12:02:50 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:02:50 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/10/12-wot-irc 12:02:56 meeting: WoT-IG/WG 12:03:32 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Sebastian_Kaebisch 12:05:32 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:06:11 dape has joined #wot 12:06:15 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:06:58 ktoumura has joined #wot 12:07:02 q+ 12:07:18 mlagally_ has joined #wot 12:07:18 ack k 12:08:06 topic: Minutes Review 12:08:13 mm: I propose to publish, any objections? 12:09:20 sebastian has joined #wot 12:10:06 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:10:08 cris_ has joined #wot 12:10:35 present+ Kunihiko_Toumura 12:10:35 Topic: Minutes from TPAC related events 12:10:47 mm: I propose to publish the minutes. Any objection? 12:10:53 sk: I have looked as well, they look ok to me 12:11:12 i/Minutes Review/scribenick: Ege/ 12:11:13 q+ 12:11:22 q+ 12:11:44 Topic: IIWOT Workshop 12:12:05 q+ 12:12:06 ack k 12:12:08 mm: deadline is saturday, I can take this 12:12:19 kaz: please contact the organizers to state our intention 12:13:34 q+ 12:13:36 ack e 12:13:56 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi 12:15:02 i|I propose to publish, any objections?|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/10/05-wot-minutes.html Oct-05| 12:15:20 [[ 12:15:28 ]] 12:15:30 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/09/06-wot-minutes.html Pre-TPAC meeting Day 1 12:15:30 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/09/07-wot-minutes.html Pre-TPAC meeting Day 2 12:15:30 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/09/12-wot-minutes.html TPAC F2F Day 1 12:15:30 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/09/14-wot-minutes.html TPAC F2F Day 2 12:15:30 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/09/14-wot-demo-minutes.html WoT Demo breakout 12:15:31 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/09/14-smartcities-minutes.html Web-based Digital Twins for Smart Cities breakout 12:15:33 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/09/21-wot-minutes.html Post-TPAC meeting Day 2 12:15:35 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/09/22-wot-minutes.html Post-TPAC meeting Day 3 12:15:43 @@@minutes URLs to be moved 12:15:45 ek: I think you should go for invited talk straightaway since a paper is normally a scientific contribution and you will have copyright issues at some point 12:15:48 q? 12:15:57 q- 12:16:02 mm: I need contact information 12:16:07 ack ml 12:16:32 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9700546 12:16:51 q+ 12:17:24 ml: we have submitted a paper last year, we can start from that 12:17:50 ack e 12:18:38 q+ 12:19:05 rrsagent, make log public 12:19:11 rrsagent, draft minute 12:19:11 I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', kaz. Try /msg RRSAgent help 12:19:16 s/rrsagent, draft minute// 12:19:18 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:19:18 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/12-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:19:51 chair: McCool/Sebastian 12:20:39 ek: I think that writing a paper about WG work as a person has some patent problems since you are claiming the work for yourself 12:20:58 ml: I think we should focus on next work and look in past work now 12:21:04 q+ 12:21:04 mm: we can write it from scratch 12:22:06 Topic: Smart Cities Breakout in TPAC 12:22:51 kaz: there was interest on digital twins and digital twin based approach 12:23:12 kaz: it was mentioned that there are silos even for digital twins 12:24:14 s/I think we should focus on next work and look in past work now/I think we should focus on next work and not spend more time to discuss on this call/ 12:26:15 topic: Implementation Reports 12:26:20 subtopic: TD 12:26:22 s/interest on digital twins/interest in Web-based Digital Twins/ 12:26:34 mm: it is looking mostly good, gaps in security though 12:26:48 s/digital twin based approach/and applying that to Smart Cities./ 12:27:23 s/it was mentioned that there are/we need to note the fact that there are already/ 12:27:27 subtopic: Discovery 12:27:39 mm: we have problems with coap and discoverers 12:28:02 i|it is looking|-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/testing/report11.html latest draft Implementation Report for TD| 12:28:04 q+ 12:28:16 q+ 12:28:35 ... also some problems about core id 12:28:40 i|we have problems|-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-discovery/testing/report.html latest draft Implementation Report for Discovery| 12:28:43 q- later 12:29:06 ml: I have a question about td implementation report 12:29:11 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:29:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/12-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:29:30 qq+ Ege 12:29:32 ack e 12:29:32 Ege, you wanted to react to Ege 12:29:38 ack ml 12:30:04 https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/#behavior-data 12:30:41 q+ 12:30:50 q- later 12:31:00 ml: how the td assertions on consumers are tested? 12:32:59 ek: They are all manually tested. They are not such behavioral assertions though, in comparison to discovery and profile 12:33:15 ml: I find some consumer assertions problematic, I have opened issues in TD. They should be fixed in CR 12:33:39 ml: Also, there is an assertion linking to the binding templates, which is only a group note. This section should be made informative 12:33:47 q? 12:33:50 ack mc 12:34:48 q+ 12:35:06 mm: consumer refers to the role, not the entity or the device 12:35:20 q+ 12:35:44 qq+ 12:36:04 ack seb 12:36:11 q- later 12:36:39 sk: we had the binding reference in the 1.0 and the href is not enough 12:37:14 ack ml 12:37:14 mlagally_, you wanted to react to McCool_ 12:37:16 ack e 12:37:37 qq+ 12:38:32 q+ 12:40:33 ack ml 12:40:33 mlagally_, you wanted to react to Ege 12:40:36 ek: we had something similar in 1.0, we can revert to it. The discussion was to allow this if the binding template is published 12:41:00 ml: it is not enough, we cannot reference to a group note 12:42:24 q? 12:43:14 mm: let's create an issue and discuss on this. Please mark it as a blocker 12:44:05 ek: I think it is fine to revert to 1.0 12:44:25 sk: please come to the TD call or open an issue 12:44:32 ack mc 12:46:26 ml: I will open an issue and look at the feedback on the issue 12:46:55 kaz: it is a TD issue. It would be nicer to have you in the call. Is it possible? 12:47:18 ack k 12:47:29 s/have you/have Lagally/ 12:48:41 ml: I can come in the last hour 12:49:02 ( We'll have the discussion on the issue during the second slot of the TD call today. ) 12:49:08 mm: we should update the editors list 12:49:57 subtopic: Profile 12:50:00 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:50:00 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/12-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:50:02 Architecture/Profile TF resolution: publish an updated [Profile] WD by the end of the current WG charter. Carry over the profile goals and deliverables to the next WG charter. Deliver the Profile early in the next WG charter period with the current scope and requirements. 12:50:05 resolution: publish an updated WD by the end of the current WG charter. Carry over the profile goals and deliverables to the next WG charter. Deliver the Profile early in the next WG charter period with the current scope and requirements. 12:50:30 mm: summary is we need a clear decision of what to do for profile 12:50:49 s/resolution: publish an updated WD by the end of the current WG charter. Carry over the profile goals and deliverables to the next WG charter. Deliver the Profile early in the next WG charter period with the current scope and requirements.resolution: publish an updated WD by the end of the current WG charter. Carry over the profile goals and deliverables to the next WG charter. Deliver the Profile early in the next WG charter period with the current 12:50:52 scope and requirements.// 12:50:56 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:50:56 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/12-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:51:28 mm: I want to call for resolution with a statement to not go for a CR in this charter 12:51:39 s/resolution:/proposal/ 12:51:48 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:51:48 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/12-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:52:21 proposal: publish an updated WD by the end of the current WG charter. Carry over the profile goals and deliverables to the next WG charter. Deliver the Profile early in the next WG charter period with the current scope and requirements. 12:52:25 @@@the resolution above to be removed manually later 12:52:31 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:52:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/12-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:52:50 proposal: Publish an updated Profile WD by the end of the current WG charter, but do not attempt CR transition in this charter. Carry over the profile goals and deliverables to the next WG charter. Deliver the Profile early in the next WG charter period with the current scope and requirements. 12:53:20 s/ml: I have a question about td implementation report/subtopic: TD Implementation - revisited/ 12:53:21 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:53:21 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/12-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:55:33 resolution: Publish an updated Profile WD by the end of the current WG charter, but do not attempt CR transition in this charter. Carry over the profile goals and deliverables to the next WG charter. Deliver the Profile early in the next WG charter period with the current scope and requirements. 12:55:38 mm: resolution is done 12:56:11 q+ 12:57:00 topic: Liaisons 12:57:05 subtopic: OPC UA 12:57:31 mm: discussion ongoing with W3M as well 12:58:32 kaz: note that if we as the WoT WG as a whole want to work with OPC as a joint WG on a joint deliverable, we need another level of AC review for that approach 12:59:12 s/subtopic: OPC UA// 12:59:19 q+ 12:59:19 s/Liaisons/OPC UA liaison/ 12:59:25 topic: WoT CG 12:59:31 q- later 12:59:31 q+ 12:59:33 q+ 12:59:40 q- later 12:59:55 mm: Cristiano sent out a message to the CG 13:00:22 I have a hard stop, have to leave. 13:00:36 ack c 13:00:42 +1 for what Ege said 13:00:46 ack dape 13:01:49 ack e 13:01:50 ack k 13:02:32 ek: I am happy with the result of the discussion. The IG Charter related discussions are postponed for the end of the IG Charter where we can sit together. For social media, I would propose to talk about it in the next marketing call 13:02:47 ... also we have a digital twin event tomorrow 13:02:54 topic: TF updates 13:03:08 ca: scripting API is planning a WD update in the coming weeks 13:03:12 dp: we will ask for reviews 13:03:26 mm: AOB? 13:03:32 mm: adjurned 13:03:39 s/ adjurned / adjourned 13:03:44 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:03:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/12-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:14:44 Mizushima has left #wot 13:30:25 ktoumura has left #wot 15:16:20 Zakim has left #wot