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11:00:44 <kaz> meeting: WoT Scripting API
11:01:16 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Jan_Romann, Zoltan_Kis
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11:03:40 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
11:04:32 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
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11:07:34 <zkis> scribe: zkis
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11:08:01 <zkis> Agenda:
11:08:16 <dape> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Scripting_API_WebConf#October_10.2C_2022
11:08:26 <zkis> Previous minutes
11:08:39 <kaz> s/Agenda:/topic: Agenda/
11:08:44 <dape> -> September-26 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/09/26-wot-script-minutes.html
11:08:51 <kaz> s/Previous/topic: Previous/
11:09:00 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
11:09:21 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
11:09:21 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Jan_Romann, Zoltan_Kis, Daniel_Peintner, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Tomoaki_Mizushima
11:10:19 <zkis> No objections, minutes approved.
11:10:54 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:11:03 <zkis> Topic: quick updates
11:11:20 <zkis> DP: we discussed changing the document so that the Note could also include normative statements
11:11:38 <kaz> q+
11:11:41 <zkis> DP: wondering if there are any pushback from W3C
11:11:46 <zkis> ack kaz
11:12:29 <zkis> KA: the process doc defines just Rec track. Note track doc may include normative statements.
11:13:02 <zkis> ... anyway, we needed to clarify the status of Scripting in the new WG charter
11:14:08 <zkis> KA: not yet discussed with Philip
11:14:50 <zkis> ... he will ask on the WoT WG decision, so we did need the group resolution on that
11:15:01 <zkis> DP: yes, we have that
11:15:54 <zkis> KA: we should prepare for comments from other W3C members
11:15:54 <kaz> a/Philip/Philippe/
11:16:59 <zkis> KA: I am not sure why we want a normative Note, since that would require AC review, comments, etc. Should we try to make the Scripting to make normative Rec track doc again?
11:18:01 <zkis> DP: we need the normative statements, but we don't need to go to Rec
11:18:25 <zkis> ... we are still in the exploratory phase, the API is not stable
11:18:40 <zkis> ... maybe in the future, but not sure about that yet
11:18:41 <dape> q?
11:20:18 <zkis> ZK: does it mean we can only use MUST, SHALL, etc with AC reviews?
11:20:35 <zkis> KA: no, I just meant a normative deliverable for Scripting
11:22:18 <cris_> q+
11:22:21 <zkis> ZK: we can stick to the group decision already made
11:22:50 <zkis> DP: so far it has been accepted that we use normative statements
11:22:54 <zkis> ack cris
11:23:07 <zkis> CA: I also think we should stick with the group decision
11:23:30 <zkis> ... if all goes well, we might end up in the Rec track, but for now we can stay in the current state
11:24:19 <zkis> Subtopic: Wot Profile test fest
11:24:42 <zkis> DP: if anyone was present, any takeaways for Scripting?
11:24:50 <cris_> q+
11:24:59 <zkis> ack cris
11:25:18 <zkis> CA: I joined nearly all calls
11:25:26 <kaz> q+
11:25:28 <zkis> ... the general feeling is that Profile is not mature enough yet
11:25:39 <zkis> ... but they will try to finish it in the next months
11:25:51 <zkis> ... there was some implementation attempt, not yet finished
11:25:56 <zkis> ... some tests as well
11:26:06 <zkis> CA: no dependencies for Scripting
11:26:20 <zkis> ... we might look into action operations which we don't support
11:26:27 <zkis> ... maybe we should look into that
11:26:33 <zkis> ack kaz
11:26:51 <zkis> KA: look into the minutes of the test fest
11:26:59 <zkis> (link)
11:27:46 <dape> q?
11:27:59 <zkis> KA: some takeaways for TD, Michael McCool will summarize the findings in this week's calls (discovery, profile, architecture, ...)
11:28:25 <zkis> DP: thank you for the summaries
11:28:53 <zkis> DP: CA's point (query action) is something we should do in the next charter
11:29:21 <zkis> ... the TD needs to improve wrt the OP values and align with Profiles
11:29:35 <zkis> ... so cancel/query actions are underspecified
11:29:49 <zkis> ... after that is solved, we can update the Scripting API
11:30:00 <zkis> ... but it will likely go into the next charter period
11:30:19 <zkis> ... since it also needs a plugfest where we can test those ideas
11:30:36 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:30:40 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:30:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/10-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
11:30:49 <zkis> Topic: pull requests
11:31:05 <zkis> Subtopic: PR432
11:31:20 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/432
11:31:49 <zkis> DP: fixes a typo
11:32:38 <zkis> ... we discussed to use "empty" without emphasis
11:33:06 <cris_> +1
11:33:07 <zkis> DP: can we merge?
11:33:32 <kaz> s|432|432 PR 432 - refactor: fix/remove emphasised empty #432|
11:33:37 <zkis> Subtopic: PR431
11:33:39 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/431
11:34:12 <zkis> DP: fixes a typo
11:34:20 <zkis> Merged.
11:34:39 <zkis> Subtopic: PR434
11:34:42 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/434
11:35:19 <zkis> Jan: last time we discussed to move out some changes to a new PR
11:35:39 <zkis> Jan: this could clear the way for accepting the other PR
11:36:08 <zkis> DP: are these dependent?
11:36:21 <zkis> Jan: no, they are independent and should be discussed separately, hence the new PR
11:36:51 <cris_> q+
11:37:20 <zkis> Jan: so PR 405 could be taken further
11:37:35 <kaz> s|434|434 PR 434 - feat: adjust ThingFilter interface|
11:38:00 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/405 PR 405 - feat!: add new Discovery Web IDL definitions|
11:38:16 <dape> q?
11:39:49 <zkis> CA: there are some mistakes, like if the filters are now mandatory
11:40:31 <zkis> CA: I agree we move the async iterator forward and discuss the rest later
11:41:07 <zkis> ... maybe we should move that line out as well (which removes optional from the filter arg)
11:41:24 <zkis> ... apart from that we can merge the async iterator change
11:41:34 <zkis> Jan: OK, the PR is updated
11:42:32 <zkis> DP: nice - in rest, the PR has been reviewed, so we could merge that
11:44:43 <zkis> PR 405 merged
11:44:52 <zkis> q?
11:44:55 <zkis> ack cris
11:45:19 <zkis> CA: we can handle the rest in the new PR
11:46:02 <zkis> Topic: Issues
11:46:12 <zkis> Subtopic: issue 433
11:46:14 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/433
11:46:35 <zkis> DP: it's about what to publish in the current charter
11:47:03 <kaz> s|433|433 Issue 433 - New publication within current charter?|
11:47:18 <zkis> q+
11:47:29 <zkis> DP: I think we should make a release
11:47:34 <zkis> ack zkis
11:47:35 <cris_> q+
11:48:23 <zkis> ack cris
11:48:36 <zkis> zkis: the async iterator is enough reason to publish
11:48:52 <zkis> DP: yes, but we should not update the OP values
11:49:25 <zkis> CA: I agree with this. We should also finalize the Discovery chapter to align with the Discovery TF.
11:49:34 <zkis> ... also, update node-wot
11:49:47 <zkis> ... after that we can publish
11:50:38 <zkis> Jan: regarding discovery implementation in node-wot is going well, should be able to finish in next months
11:51:34 <cris_> q+
11:51:38 <zkis> ... also experimented with bootstrapping, security
11:51:44 <zkis> ack cris
11:51:58 <zkis> CA: what about test results
11:52:08 <zkis> Jan: there were some, but need to update them
11:52:20 <zkis> CA: MMc asked to finalize them
11:52:44 <zkis> ... security bootstrapping is not specified well
11:54:05 <zkis> DP: thank you
11:54:19 <zkis> Subtopic: issue 430
11:54:24 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/430
11:54:34 <zkis> DP: we need to rely on dependencies on Bindings spec
11:54:38 <zkis> ... which is not ready yet
11:55:01 <zkis> q+
11:55:09 <kaz> s|430|430 Issue 430 - Define exact steps/algorithms instead generic references to "Protocol Bindings" spec|
11:55:49 <kaz> q+
11:56:11 <kaz> ack z
11:56:23 <zkis> zkis: we need to define those algorithms, eventually temporarily in Scripting, then move them to Bindings
11:56:45 <zkis> ack kaz
11:57:01 <zkis> KA: we should clarify which portions are to be included in the Bindings spec
11:58:39 <zkis> ... my suggestion is to discuss with TD spec guys
11:58:43 <zkis> ... at least in this chapter
11:59:19 <zkis> ZK: in that case we can keep it in Scripting until the Bindings spec is ready to take them
11:59:50 <zkis> DP: makes sense
12:00:10 <zkis> DP: it's also fine to leave it open and wait until properly defined
12:01:02 <zkis> ZK: should we cover it for HTTP, eventually CoAP?
12:01:18 <zkis> DP: need to adjourn
12:01:20 <zkis> call adjourned
12:01:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:01:50 <kaz> chair: Daniel
12:01:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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