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13:19:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/29-wcag2ict-minutes.html Chuck_
13:19:30 <Chuck_> meeting:  WCAG2ICT-2022-09-29
13:20:56 <Chuck_> agenda+ Announcements & unfilled roles
13:21:13 <Chuck_> agenda+ Continue discussion on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/WCAG2ICT-work-statement/results
13:21:38 <Chuck_> agenda+ Tools for drafting content
13:31:11 <Chuck_> regrets:  Bruce Bailey
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13:49:18 <maryjom> agenda?
13:51:24 <maryjom> Regrets: Phil_Day
13:51:44 <maryjom> chair: Mary_Jo_Mueller
13:52:00 <maryjom> meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
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14:03:18 <laurabmiller> scribe+laurabmiller
14:03:25 <Chuck_> Thanks for scribing Laura!
14:03:27 <laurabmiller> scribe+ laurabmiller
14:03:41 <BryanTrogdon> present+
14:03:53 <laurabmiller> zakim, next item
14:03:54 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Announcements & unfilled roles -- taken up [from Chuck_]
14:04:44 <olivia-hogan-stark> present+
14:05:52 <laurabmiller> maryjom: announcement, will host an ad hoc session to help people become familiar with github. Project management through tickets for tracking.
14:06:33 <ChrisLoiselle> +1 to everything you said!
14:06:35 <Chuck_> Poll:  Who is interested in an ad hoc tutorial on github?
14:06:36 <ShawnT> +1
14:06:39 <Chuck_> +1
14:06:39 <laurabmiller> maryjom: create a template for success criteria.  Who is interested?
14:06:40 <BryanTrogdon> +1
14:06:40 <ThorstenKatzmann> +1
14:06:40 <Sam> +1
14:06:45 <olivia-hogan-stark> +1
14:06:47 <laurabmiller> +1
14:06:50 <FernandaBonnin> +1
14:06:52 <dmontalvo> +1
14:07:25 <laurabmiller> maryjom: will take next meeting to do the training. Homework will be to learn about github.
14:07:36 <laurabmiller> maryjom: Still in need of editors for the note.
14:07:56 <Chuck_> +1 to Judy's idea, I think that would be fantastic
14:08:18 <Chuck_> q+
14:08:21 <FernandaBonnin> q+
14:08:26 <ShawnT> +1 to Judy also
14:08:28 <Chuck_> ack Ch
14:08:30 <maryjom> ack Chuck_
14:08:33 <laurabmiller> maryjom: are there any volunteers?
14:08:39 <maryjom> ack FernandaBonnin
14:09:38 <laurabmiller> FernandaBonnin: What does this involve?
14:10:01 <BryanTrogdon> q+
14:10:32 <laurabmiller> maryjom: is there a definition of editor roles?
14:10:42 <Chuck_> q+
14:10:48 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/2003/Editors/
14:10:52 <laurabmiller> Judy: editor is to integrate what people are saying. Capture ideas.
14:11:07 <maryjom> ack BryanTrogdon
14:11:21 <Chuck_> ack Ch
14:11:23 <maryjom> ack Chuck_
14:12:07 <Judy> q+
14:12:16 <maryjom> ack judy
14:12:59 <laurabmiller> maryjom: co facilitator position is still open
14:13:12 <laurabmiller> zakim, next item
14:13:13 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Continue discussion on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/WCAG2ICT-work-statement/results -- taken up [from Chuck_]
14:13:49 <maryjom>  https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/2682/files
14:13:54 <laurabmiller> maryjom: recap, section 1 editorial items incorporated
14:14:24 <Chuck_> q+
14:14:45 <Chuck_> ack Ch
14:15:00 <laurabmiller> maryjom: defer this resolution until later
14:15:54 <maryjom> TOPIC: Question 3. Approach section
14:17:41 <maryjom>  Draft RESOLUTION: Accept amended approach section
14:17:49 <Chuck_> +1
14:17:58 <FernandaBonnin> +1
14:17:58 <ShawnT> +1
14:17:59 <ThorstenKatzmann> +1
14:17:59 <maryjom> +1
14:18:00 <Sam> +1
14:18:02 <Devanshu> +1
14:18:04 <BryanTrogdon> +1
14:18:06 <ChrisLoiselle> +1
14:18:11 <olivia-hogan-stark>  +1
14:18:25 <laurabmiller> +1
14:18:40 <laurabmiller> maryjom: Resolution passed.
14:18:46 <maryjom> RESOLUTION: Accept amended approach section
14:19:31 <maryjom> TOPIC:  Question 4. Timeline section
14:21:45 <laurabmiller> maryjom: We will manage the dates. We will likely not beat WCAG 2.2 to publication. We can not finalize until WCAG 2.2 is final
14:21:59 <Chuck_> regrets+ Phil Day
14:22:07 <Judy> q+
14:22:15 <maryjom> ack judy
14:24:02 <Chuck_> q+
14:24:09 <laurabmiller> Judy: W3C are International standards. Do we need to mention timelines that allow us to harmonize standards internationally?
14:24:26 <maryjom> ack Chuck_
14:25:11 <Judy> s/W3C are International standards/W3C is an international organization/
14:25:26 <laurabmiller> Chuck_: It should be generic. If we specifically mention other standards, we might create dependencies (circular dependencies).
14:25:31 <BryanTrogdon> q+
14:25:37 <maryjom> ack bryan
14:26:28 <laurabmiller> BryanTrogdon: How do we align that with the timeline? Will this align with EN 549?
14:26:43 <Chuck_> q+ to say that is one of the more mindful opportunities that we wish to support, but still do not think we should be explicit.
14:26:51 <maryjom> ack Chuck_
14:26:51 <Zakim> Chuck_, you wanted to say that is one of the more mindful opportunities that we wish to support, but still do not think we should be explicit.
14:26:53 <Judy> s/Do we need to mention/So we need to be careful how we mention/
14:27:17 <ThorstenKatzmann> q+
14:27:26 <maryjom> ack ThorstenKatzmann
14:28:45 <laurabmiller> ThorstenKatzmann: I fully support approach to mention it but not to go into details on the new EN standard.  Keep an eye on what is going on but remain independent.
14:28:56 <BryanTrogdon> +1
14:28:57 <ChrisLoiselle> +1 to what has been said, we can control what we can control within W3C and WCAG2ICT however shouldn't be dependent on outside of control entities that would limit our goals, objectives and outcomes. Monitor, but not rely on due to outside influences out of our control.
14:28:59 <Judy> +1 Thorsten
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14:29:52 <maryjom> TOPIC:  Question 5. Liaisons section
14:30:00 <Sam> q+ Only have EU standards orgs and US AB in the Liaisons section what about ISO JCT 1?
14:30:23 <Chuck_> q+ Sam to say Only have EU standards orgs and US AB in the Liaisons section what about ISO JCT 1?
14:30:34 <maryjom> ack sam
14:30:34 <Zakim> Sam, you wanted to say Only have EU standards orgs and US AB in the Liaisons section what about ISO JCT 1?
14:30:47 <Chuck_> q+ for a short point of order tutorial on using q+
14:30:54 <maryjom> ack chuck
14:30:54 <Zakim> Chuck_, you wanted to discuss a short point of order tutorial on using q+
14:31:22 <dmontalvo> present+ Daniel
14:31:41 <laurabmiller> Chuck_: Use "q+ to say" to provide reminder of what you want to say
14:31:46 <Judy> present+ Judy
14:32:32 <laurabmiller> q+ to say CSA B651.2
14:32:44 <Chuck_> I will scribe for laura when she speaks
14:32:56 <maryjom> ack laurabmiller
14:32:56 <Zakim> laurabmiller, you wanted to say CSA B651.2
14:33:23 <Chuck_> laurabmiller: I would add, we do have other representation.  I'm a member of a wg that could be mentioned.
14:34:30 <laurabmiller> Sam: Do not want to give off the impression that we are biased toward the European rules and standards
14:35:14 <laurabmiller> maryjom: Make that section more generic rather than list everything out
14:35:19 <laurabmiller> +1
14:35:23 <Chuck_> q+ to ask Judy a question
14:35:26 <BryanTrogdon> +1
14:35:28 <ThorstenKatzmann> +1
14:35:31 <maryjom> ack Chuck_
14:35:31 <Zakim> Chuck_, you wanted to ask Judy a question
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14:35:35 <Sam> +1
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14:37:45 <laurabmiller> Judy: liaison section, it is common for w3c charters (task force work statements) to make some specific listings of different organizations and other standards bodies. It is ok to list some specifically within a generic statement.
14:37:45 <Chuck_> q+
14:38:22 <Chuck_> ack Ch
14:39:07 <shadi> q+
14:39:31 <maryjom> ack shadi
14:39:34 <laurabmiller> maryjom: ISO can be added because it is international. Generic statement to include other liaisons and advocacy groups worldwide
14:40:01 <laurabmiller> shadi: Some organizations are quite particular about listing as "liaison" unless it is formal.
14:41:00 <Sam> q+ to say i can work with our standards org to make it is ok to include and inform ISO JTC 1
14:41:07 <maryjom> ack sam
14:41:07 <Zakim> Sam, you wanted to say i can work with our standards org to make it is ok to include and inform ISO JTC 1
14:41:42 <Judy> q+
14:41:55 <Chuck_> ack Judy
14:42:26 <ThorstenKatzmann> q+
14:42:33 <maryjom> ack ThorstenKatzmann
14:43:20 <laurabmiller> maryjom: Adjustments in language are still needed
14:43:30 <Chuck_> q+
14:43:32 <Chuck_> ack Ch
14:44:42 <laurabmiller> Chuck_: This language and list might revolve, we can approve the work statement and accept the PR. Add an editor's note to explain to AGWG that we will use this process to update.
14:44:54 <ChrisLoiselle> q+
14:45:02 <maryjom> ack ChrisLoiselle
14:45:07 <ChrisLoiselle> Perhaps type of version vs. specific groups. Talk to national , international , government and non government or public vs. private sector
14:46:13 <Judy> [jb: (expanding my comment a bit...) for instance, this Task Force cannot represent itself directly to JTC-1, as this Task Force is not officially chartered; it's a TF several levels down within W3C. (Important that WCAG2ICT TF participants understand this, so no over-presentation of participation. Please raise questions if this doesn't feel clear -- thanks!)]
14:46:27 <laurabmiller> ChrisLoiselle: Adding comment for genericizing
14:46:28 <Chuck_> q+
14:46:30 <Chuck_> ack Ch
14:46:34 <maryjom> ack Chuck_
14:47:27 <laurabmiller> Chuck_: recommendation - editor's note for AGWG that this section will be updated to accommodate that approach
14:48:52 <maryjom> TOPIC:  Question 6. Communication section
14:48:55 <laurabmiller> maryjom: No resolution until we add the editors note
14:49:43 <laurabmiller> zakim, next item
14:49:43 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Tools for drafting content -- taken up [from Chuck_]
14:50:01 <Chuck_> zakim, take up item 2
14:50:01 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Continue discussion on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/WCAG2ICT-work-statement/results -- taken up [from Chuck_]
14:50:11 <GreggVan> present+
14:50:16 <Sam> present+
14:50:32 <laurabmiller> maryjom: only editorials to the communication section
14:50:36 <maryjom> TOPIC:  Question 7. Participation section
14:50:58 <maryjom> Draft RESOLUTION:  Accept Timeline Section
14:51:05 <ShawnT> +1
14:51:06 <laurabmiller> +1
14:51:08 <ThorstenKatzmann> +1
14:51:08 <Chuck_> +1
14:51:09 <maryjom> +1
14:51:09 <olivia-hogan-stark> +1
14:51:10 <Devanshu> +1
14:51:11 <Sam> +1
14:51:11 <BryanTrogdon> +1
14:51:20 <maryjom> RESOLUTION:  Accept Timeline Section
14:51:20 <GreggVan> +1
14:51:28 <dmontalvo> +1
14:51:34 <FernandaBonnin> q+ timeline or participation section?
14:51:58 <maryjom> ack fer
14:52:27 <Chuck_> q+
14:52:29 <Chuck_> ack Ch
14:52:42 <laurabmiller> FernandaBonnin: Accept participation section
14:52:53 <Chuck_> draft RESOLUTION:  Accept Participation Section
14:53:09 <maryjom> +1
14:53:09 <ShawnT> +1
14:53:10 <FernandaBonnin> +1
14:53:12 <ThorstenKatzmann> +1
14:53:12 <BryanTrogdon> =1
14:53:19 <BryanTrogdon> +1
14:53:24 <Sam> +1
14:53:25 <Anastasia_Lanz> +1
14:53:27 <olivia-hogan-stark> +1
14:53:27 <Devanshu> +1
14:53:28 <ChrisLoiselle> +1
14:53:31 <CaraHenderson__> +1
14:54:09 <maryjom> RESOLUTION:  Accept Participation Section
14:54:22 <maryjom> TOPIC:  Question 8. Facilitation section
14:54:59 <Chuck_> q+
14:55:11 <Chuck_> ack Ch
14:55:12 <maryjom> ack Chuck_
14:55:47 <laurabmiller> Chuck_: Still seeking alternative task force leader and this section will be updated when we have that person selected.
14:58:23 <laurabmiller> Chuck_: Recommend that we have editors notes to add. Let's work on the editors notes and then in the next meeting review the pull request with editors notes.
14:58:33 <BryanTrogdon> q+
14:59:12 <laurabmiller> maryjom: there are also a few items in section 2 that we have not settled on. Email conversation may follow (asynchronously).
14:59:19 <GreggVan> q+
14:59:35 <GreggVan> q-
14:59:42 <maryjom> ack BryanTrogdon
14:59:56 <Chuck_> THANK YOU!
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15:29:23 <maryjom> regrets Bruce_Bailey, Phil_Day
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