13:02:46 RRSAgent has joined #wcag-act 13:02:46 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/09/29-wcag-act-irc 13:02:49 RRSAgent, make logs Public 13:02:50 Meeting: Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference 13:03:39 agenda+ No meeting next week, join ACT-Rule F2F instead 13:03:47 agenda+ ACT rules sheet 13:03:56 agenda+ Open ACT pull requests 13:04:04 agenda+ Priority issues 13:04:13 agenda+ AGWG survey new rules 13:04:23 agenda+ Annual review of approved rules (Due 29 September) 13:04:32 agenda+ Orientation of the page is not restricted using CSS transform property 13:04:40 agenda+ Text has minimum contrast 13:04:48 agenda+ Secondary accessibility requirements 13:04:56 agenda+ Better define how rules related to page states 13:04:58 agenda? 13:05:26 ToddL has joined #wcag-act 13:05:34 present+ 13:05:35 present+ 13:05:50 scribe+ 13:05:57 present+ 13:06:02 present+ 13:06:02 zakim, take up next 13:06:02 agendum 1 -- No meeting next week, join ACT-Rule F2F instead -- taken up [from kathy] 13:06:03 present+ 13:07:25 Wilco: There is a F2F next week with the lovely Helen hosting :) 13:08:07 zakim, take up next 13:08:07 agendum 2 -- ACT rules sheet -- taken up [from kathy] 13:09:41 Wilco: I am working on visible focus and will check the iFrame one 13:10:16 Kathy: I want some queries on scrollable content answered 13:10:43 Daniel: The page title one has open feedback from Jean-Yves 13:11:51 Trevor: Text content that changes automatically has some feedback I need to check in more detail from my feedback. I will chat with Carlos about the applicability 13:12:04 Wilco: That is a real struggle 13:12:23 ... Heading is descriptive? 13:12:45 Todd: There are comments I need to address and want you to review it too Wilco 13:12:50 zakim, take up next 13:12:50 agendum 3 -- Open ACT pull requests -- taken up [from kathy] 13:13:59 Wilco: #1926 - doesn't need to be in draft as Todd confirmed he has done the changes - Kathy and Trevor added to review 13:14:43 ... #1925 - Oh I did work on my task - please review it people! 13:15:14 ... #1923 - Jean-Yves we don't need to worry 13:15:38 ... #1917 - the one I need to look at 13:15:51 Kathy: There is something failing I need to check 13:16:06 Wilco: #1916 from Trevor - it has a CR on it 13:16:28 Trevor: All changes have been addressed but need to talk to Carlos before proceeding 13:16:43 Wilco: Would a new PR suit instead? 13:17:08 Trevor: If this turns into a drag, then maybe, but all down to my chat with Carlos 13:17:18 Wilco: #1912 - we talked about 13:17:44 ... #1855 - I do need to review this 13:17:47 zakim, take up next 13:17:47 agendum 4 -- Priority issues -- taken up [from kathy] 13:19:00 Wilco: I have one update on lang and attribute lang. Discussed in the CG and they are planning to deprecate it. As Chrome no longer has issues with this and was the only browser that needed this to pass. 13:19:38 ... We might take the priority label off - as not needed 13:19:49 ... not much more progress has been made 13:19:50 zakim, take up next 13:19:50 agendum 5 -- AGWG survey new rules -- taken up [from kathy] 13:20:24 Wilco: AGWG Surveyed a number of rules this week - the list is our workbook 13:20:55 ... 5 of 6 are approved some with minor editorial changed 13:21:34 https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/act/rules/0va7u6/proposed/ 13:21:43 ... the one not approved is HTML graphics contain no text - the expectations caused the most issues 13:21:53 ... we need to work on a new direction for this 13:22:18 ... especially the use of "essential" in the expectations 13:22:31 Chris: As I am the lead, do you want me to make a start? 13:22:48 Wilco: I like taking on too much work so will do it myself 13:23:15 Wilco: I actually said, "I have already started and easier if I complete it on the changes requested" 13:24:09 ... I don't think much is needed except for editorial changes so I will update it in one batch for all to review 13:24:24 Kathy: What was their take on "essential"? 13:25:27 Wilco: I know we have an open issue of how "essential" is too subjective to be used without a definition 13:25:29 zakim, take up next 13:25:29 agendum 6 -- Annual review of approved rules (Due 29 September) -- taken up [from kathy] 13:26:30 Wilco: We will focus on the ready ones first 13:27:55 https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/act/rules/a25f45/ 13:27:59 ... Kathy has questions on the above 13:28:25 Kathy: I was not sure on the format of some of the examples 13:28:53 Wilco: Like on Passed example 3? These are explicit so ok to be duplicated in definitions in the code 13:29:25 Kathy: Ok - I feel happy then 13:31:28 Wilco: I am not happy with the use of ignoring the title attribute as no longer relevant in SR and browser combinations 13:32:28 Daniel: Yes that is true, I would love to work on this by checking it out and then updating the use of not using a title as not supported 13:33:16 Wilco: Ok - several rules are approved 13:33:19 https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/1923 13:34:33 Trevor: Jean-Yves has the above issue to update it and maybe we should deprecate the Word and letter spacing rules? 13:34:54 Wilco: I think these are ok to stay - as not worth changing now 13:35:02 Trevor: I will agree to wait 13:35:47 Chris: I agree with Trevor for the future but it is fine here 13:37:12 Wilco: *Goes through several and marks them as agreed/ok 13:40:23 ... we have 2 left to change then 13:40:42 Kathy: I noted some issues that you are now putting in the sheet 13:42:14 Helen: I will review mine and email it out to all 13:42:14 zakim, take up next 13:42:14 agendum 7 -- Orientation of the page is not restricted using CSS transform property -- taken up [from kathy] 13:43:37 Wilco: We have 3 acceptances, 3 adjustments and 1 reject 13:45:04 ... looks like mine, as assuming the script works as intended it could cause issues 13:46:16 ... The failures of rotating the screen and items flowing out - valid point - I think we need to look at this 13:47:50 ... Passed example 2 - the numbers are a bit extreme - Jean-Yves might've done this? 13:48:01 Kathy: What do those numbers mean? 13:48:19 Trevor: It is scientific large numbers that are basically 0 13:48:32 Kathy: Why didn't they use 0 instead? 13:48:55 Trevor: To prove it could be handled? I don't know 13:49:38 Wilco: I am adding notes to whoever takes this on in the sheet 13:49:59 ... I don't think the open issues need to be resolved as per Chris' comment 13:51:16 Chris: One of the examples just opens in a new page it isn't showing so I think we need to get it rendering before we publish 13:51:37 Wilco: Yes we will be fixing that - thanks for bringing it up 13:52:50 ... whoever takes this on should be a developer as need to fix the issue noted in the comments 13:53:50 ... Agree to the editorial comments from Kathy 13:54:31 ... Tom asked why is "namespaced elements" in the glossary? I don't know - because it is there? 13:54:57 ... Adding it to the long list 13:56:54 +1 to Helen as to why it passed. 13:59:18 Wilco: It is clear that this rule needs work - Chris? 13:59:26 Chris: Er... 13:59:52 Wilco: I will ask Trevor to help you out on the technical stuff 14:00:20 Wilco: It is not that technical... 14:03:30 rrsagent, make minutes v1 14:03:30 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/29-wcag-act-minutes.html dmontalvo 15:31:25 stevelee has joined #wcag-act