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13:03:26 <trackbot> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
13:03:26 <trackbot> Date: 29 September 2022
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13:12:52 <Lisa> agenda?
13:14:02 <Lisa> agenda+ Updates with task requests and actions <https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#>
13:14:43 <Lisa> agenda+ subgroup schedule at https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Subgroups
13:15:09 <Lisa> agenda+ Any more updates from TPAC?
13:15:25 <Lisa> agenda+ Send out survey for research papers and sort out sending it out. See research documents  survey <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc4ugu4iWRlEQ84-NWJmaiwtVWkXD1mhdCxB6MMy8N_mT56Bg/formResponse
13:16:00 <Lisa> agenda+ Recruiting see <https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#>
13:16:17 <Lisa> agenda+ Collaboration_Tool_Accessibility <https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Collaboration_Tool_Accessibility
13:16:38 <Lisa> regrets: Rain
13:17:06 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
13:17:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/29-coga-minutes.html Lisa
13:17:10 <Lisa> q?
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13:53:15 <Lisa> agenda?
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13:59:52 <rashmi> present+
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14:00:27 <Becca_Monteleone> present+
14:00:29 <aaronchu> present+
14:00:47 <Lisa> zakim next item
14:00:54 <Lisa> zakim, next item
14:00:54 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Updates with task requests and actions <https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#> -- taken up [from Lisa]
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14:01:12 <kirkwood> sorry can’t scribe today
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14:01:22 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Scribe_list
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14:02:06 <Lisa> scribe: Becca
14:02:32 <kirkwood> present+
14:02:50 <Roy> present+
14:03:43 <Lisa> scribe: Becca_Monteleone
14:03:51 <Becca_Monteleone> Thank you!
14:03:54 <Jennie> * Thanks Rachael! Never knew that.
14:04:36 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#
14:05:38 <Rachael> present+
14:05:40 <Becca_Monteleone> rashmi: mental health subgroup has revieweed 59 papers. Moving to anaylsis phase next month.
14:05:58 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Subgroups
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14:08:38 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Structure subgroup moving ahead with anaylsis. Completed survey. Interpreting results now.
14:09:51 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: Clear language subgroup is waiting on feedback from TPAC.
14:10:13 <Jennie> q+
14:10:42 <Lisa> ack next
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14:12:00 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: Test Plan and Strategy subgroup reviewed TPAC information and made plan to start doing a micro-level look to build up test plans. Implementing TPAC conversations.
14:12:05 <Jennie> ack Jennie
14:12:37 <Jennie> * November 24 is American Thanksgiving so Test Plan meeting needs to be rescheduled.
14:12:47 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Research Plan subgroup has draft of survey and research plan. Hoping to recruit new people to assist with research updates.
14:13:14 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: Images subgroup. Meeting rescheduled from 9/30 to 10/7
14:13:34 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#heading=h.rei1woruiqke
14:13:39 <kirkwood> Got it, Jennie, thanks
14:13:47 <Lisa> q?
14:14:13 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: request from APA on collaboration tool accessibility
14:14:27 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: created a document with feedback to discuss today
14:14:52 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: request from APA on verifiable credentials - Lisa will follow up.
14:15:35 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m1piIXXGPtQeRNjYpch3MMgFP1uy3GBA0XbgLUqw8tw/edit#
14:16:03 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: EO made a list of scripts and requested feedback. Julie sent initial feedback. Received feedback from EO. Julie shared document with COGA for comments
14:17:03 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: COGA comment only on document. Use suggestion mode only. Six questions from EO that require responses from COGA. Respond by October 6 at the latest
14:18:32 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: EO will be sending additional survey about Abilities and Barriers section of series. COGA needs to respond to section on cognitive and learning disabilities. Survey should go out from EO by October 6.
14:19:02 <Becca_Monteleone> krisanne_: EO will try to share cognitive and learning disabilities script with COGA in advance of survey.
14:19:29 <Becca_Monteleone> krisanne_: aim to have all scripts done by end of October for production company.
14:20:10 <Becca_Monteleone> krisanne_: scripts more urgent than text-only pages on the WAI sites due to end of the year deadline
14:20:10 <kirkwood> do we still have a child as one of the scripts?
14:20:15 <kirkwood> q+
14:21:21 <kirkwood> q-
14:21:35 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa and Julie will meet Monday to discuss script feedback
14:21:44 <kirkwood> I can do Monday, would be interested.
14:22:33 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m1piIXXGPtQeRNjYpch3MMgFP1uy3GBA0XbgLUqw8tw/edit#heading=h.28ogb5r862l3
14:22:35 <Lisa> q?
14:22:41 <Becca_Monteleone> Comments can be made directly on link if you can not join on Monday
14:22:43 <kirkwood> yes
14:24:31 <Becca_Monteleone> krisanne_: next round of scripts are not about individual personas, but about abilities, barriers, and tools
14:25:53 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Rain working on APA request on remote meeting.
14:26:48 <Rachael> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/subgroups-2022-06/?login
14:26:53 <Rachael> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/subgroups-2022-06
14:27:05 <Becca_Monteleone> Rachael: AG starting next round of subgroups. Will have subgroup writing out testing methods. Another subgroup on issue severity. If interested in joining, fill out survey linked above.
14:28:01 <Becca_Monteleone> Rachael: AG discussing conformance. Silver discussing outcomes.
14:28:29 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: COGA should have representative in each subgroup.
14:29:37 <Rachael> Yes, Shawn was in the previous issues severity group and is signed up for the next one as well.
14:30:03 <Becca_Monteleone> aaronchu: has reviewed all but one of assigned mental health paper.
14:31:53 <Lisa> q?
14:32:34 <Becca_Monteleone> aaronchu: there is a google doc with research used in Content Usable. Shawn has documented as spreadsheet. Would like to develop interactive document that is searchable and links citations to different areas of Content Usable
14:34:21 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: Want centralized spreadsheet that is sortable and uses one method to make it clear how research is linked to trends in Content Usable
14:35:20 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: Met before TPAC to discuss collaborative tool accessibility. Will plan to reengage with Michael soon for next steps
14:36:54 <Lisa> ack next
14:37:05 <Lisa> zakim, next item
14:37:05 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- subgroup schedule at https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Subgroups -- taken up [from Lisa]
14:37:38 <Lisa> zakim, next item
14:37:38 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, Lisa
14:37:46 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Redoing subgroup schedule based on feedback today. Please let Lisa know about any issues with schedule as soon as possible so she can update
14:37:47 <Lisa> close item 2
14:37:52 <Lisa> zakim, next item
14:37:52 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Any more updates from TPAC? -- taken up [from Lisa]
14:38:21 <Lisa> q?
14:38:21 <Jennie> q+
14:38:48 <Lisa> ack next
14:39:05 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: Will there be a COGA representative in community group looking at overlays?
14:40:23 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: the concept of personalization is important to COGA stakeholder group, continuing to advocate for those elements to be built into HTML vs. 3rd party add-on is important. 3rd party may not be best for COGA stakeholders. Should push for integration.
14:40:57 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: Many people with cognitive disabilities don't have access to assistive technology in all the places they use the internet.
14:42:27 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: happy to contribute as advisor rather than as COGA representative
14:43:45 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: this is a new community group addressing the use of overlays for accessibility rather than making the page accessible itself
14:43:49 <kirkwood> a proprietary method of giving access.
14:45:20 <Becca_Monteleone> kirkwood: overlays bridge the gap before full standards-based accessibility, but it is proprietary. This area is messy with a lot of rapid changes.
14:45:53 <aaronchu> where can I find more info about the overlays?
14:46:36 <Jennie> *Aaron - I can share some with you. Can you email me and I will send some examples and information?
14:46:40 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: COGA should also connect with children's community group. Will speak to Michael to make sure we are not conflicting or contradicting each other.
14:46:45 <kirkwood> could overlay present to us every once in a while?
14:46:47 <Lisa> q?
14:46:55 <Lisa> ack next
14:47:03 <Lisa> zakim, next item
14:47:03 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Send out survey for research papers and sort out sending it out. See research documents  survey
14:47:04 <aaronchu> thank you Jennie
14:47:05 <Zakim> ... <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc4ugu4iWRlEQ84-NWJmaiwtVWkXD1mhdCxB6MMy8N_mT56Bg/formResponse -- taken up [from Lisa]
14:47:29 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Are people happy with research survey?
14:47:37 <Lisa> can we send it out
14:47:55 <Lisa> +1
14:48:13 <Jennie> 0 (apologies, didn't have time to review)
14:48:17 <julierawe> +1
14:48:22 <kirkwood> do we have results of survey?
14:48:45 <Becca_Monteleone> +1
14:49:02 <Lisa> any objections?
14:49:20 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xXjHPCfWm00iAJqmjdwFq_RQ80vKwwxFAoiEGI3NOlM/edit#gid=1485617472
14:49:41 <kirkwood> +1
14:49:54 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: track dissemination of survey in spreadsheet
14:51:05 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: ask everyone to add at least 1 contact to share survey
14:51:24 <kirkwood> Should we all post on LinkedIN?
14:51:59 <julierawe> q+
14:52:09 <Becca_Monteleone> krisanne_: will add to education and outreach page this week
14:52:57 <julierawe> q-
14:53:14 <julierawe> q+
14:53:23 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: tentative deadline for end of November?
14:54:54 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: will put in October newsletter. Do not expect much engagement bast mid-november.
14:54:59 <Becca_Monteleone> *past
14:55:06 <Lisa> ack next
14:55:28 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: Add deadline into survey so people know how long they have to respond
14:56:02 <julierawe> Ha, no worries Kris Anne—great minds think alike!
14:56:32 <Lisa> zakim, next item
14:56:32 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Recruiting see <https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#> -- taken up [from Lisa]
14:57:03 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: will send introduction to collaborative tool to list to discuss next week
14:57:51 <Becca_Monteleone> I am not able to join the subgroup meeting today - apologies!
14:58:16 <aaronchu> Sorry everyone, I am going to drop. Thanks everyone.
15:08:00 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#
15:08:16 <Lisa>  Initial exploratory draft created, feedback requested from some stakeholders (EG silver, rules WG)  Plan to get to working draft (phase 1) ? other group ?/ KPI: At least 10 patterns have edge cases drafted and Discussed  in examples and inapplicable examples  (ideally for all the pattern
15:08:23 <ShawnT> present+
15:08:37 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
15:08:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/29-coga-minutes.html Lisa
15:08:44 <Lisa> topic: test plan
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15:51:44 <Lisa> sure
15:52:23 <ShawnT> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15kHdhq_KaIgbxdNPEA0ceNZ-tMs6aAe4m_vOitEM3HY/edit#gid=0
16:02:47 <Jennie> For testing subgroup: review this document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NWVnnQOj1nQURNsM8lqn20tB4tHji-7Zqiy2AZNX-6M/edit#
16:02:47 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
16:02:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/29-coga-minutes.html Lisa
16:03:21 <Jennie> Task 1 is listed in the document. For 4.8.1.4 start listing different tests that could be completed for the use and avoid section.
16:03:46 <ShawnT> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#examples-45
16:05:42 <julierawe> I have to leave now—thanks for the interesting discussion!
16:06:12 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
16:06:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/29-coga-minutes.html Lisa
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