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12:05:19 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
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12:05:54 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Kunihiko_Toumura, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:06:22 <kaz> chair: McCool/Sebastian
12:06:32 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
12:06:35 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#28_September_2022
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12:07:17 <Ege>  /me afk for 15 mins
12:07:23 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:07:32 <sebastian> topic: quick updates
12:07:33 <kaz> s| /me afk for 15 mins||
12:08:13 <kaz> subtopic: IIWOT23
12:08:22 <kaz> -> https://ccnc2023.ieee-ccnc.org/ IIWOT23 site
12:08:54 <sebastian> MM: we will invite Matthias Kovatsch to give us some background
12:09:37 <sebastian> ... mabe he will available in the main call next week
12:09:47 <sebastian> s/mabe/maybe
12:10:14 <sebastian> subtopic: Zoom vs WebEx
12:11:00 <sebastian> MM: I have problems with my computer and it seems Zoom causes more problems. I would prefer to use WebEx
12:11:38 <sebastian> ML: I would prefer Zoom, however WebEx would also work
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12:11:59 <sebastian> subtopic: Cancellations and Updates
12:12:16 <sebastian> MM: we have a TestFest next week
12:13:09 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2022.09.Online
12:13:36 <kaz> s/Online/Online Testfest logistics
12:13:44 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:13:50 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:13:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:14:11 <sebastian> MM: the goal is to create test report for Profile and Architecture
12:15:01 <dape> q+
12:15:35 <dape> ack dape
12:15:55 <sebastian> ... I scheduled a 5 day meetings. Friday should be used as recap
12:16:15 <sebastian> s/a/
12:16:58 <sebastian> DP: the meetings should be synced with the Profile timings that was submitted last week
12:17:09 <kaz> q+
12:17:35 <mlagally_> q+
12:17:51 <sebastian> MM: we should use 2022.09 folder to pride all the results
12:18:01 <sebastian> s/pride/provide
12:18:15 <kaz> ack k
12:19:20 <kaz> [[
12:19:21 <kaz> Date: Oct 3 - Oct 7
12:19:21 <kaz> Time: (tentative) - 1h / day
12:19:21 <kaz> 8am Eastern/12pm UTC Monday and Tuesday
12:19:21 <kaz> 7am Eastern/11am UTC Wednesday
12:19:21 <kaz> 10am Eastern/2pm UTC Thursday and Friday
12:19:23 <kaz> ]]
12:19:33 <sebastian> ML: since next week is October the folder name should be 2022.10. However, we should keep it now otherwise it will confuse
12:19:45 <kaz> kaz: just to make sure, 1 hour for each day. right?
12:20:07 <kaz> mm: yes, but would ask people to work outside of the calls themselves too
12:20:22 <kaz> kaz: in that case, we should identify who to make collaboration outside of the calls
12:20:35 <kaz> mm: let's talk about that later
12:22:12 <dape> q+
12:22:13 <sebastian> topic: Cancellations
12:22:34 <sebastian> s/topic/subtopic
12:23:15 <sebastian> Security, Discovery, Marketing, Profiles and Testing are cancelled
12:23:27 <sebastian> Main call will take place
12:23:51 <sebastian> TD will decide later in the TD call
12:24:05 <sebastian> Architecture will also decide later
12:24:10 <dape> ack dape
12:25:02 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
12:25:08 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
12:25:13 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
12:25:13 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Kunihiko_Toumura, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Cristiano_Aguzzi
12:25:43 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:25:46 <sebastian> topic: Testing
12:26:04 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:26:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:26:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:26:33 <kaz> q?
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12:26:57 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/405
12:27:26 <sebastian> MM: there is a PR from node-wot (Daniel) for architecture
12:27:30 <kaz> s|subtopic: Cancellations and Updates|subtopic: Testfest logistics|
12:27:56 <kaz> i/just to make sure/scribenick: kaz/
12:28:10 <kaz> i/Security, Disc/scribenick: sebastian/
12:28:22 <sebastian> ... will discuss this PR in detail in Testing call later
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12:28:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:28:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:30:00 <sebastian> MM: we need more test results. Please share your data in wot-testing / data / input_2022 / Architecture
12:31:09 <kaz> i|405|subtopic: manual.csv for Architecture|
12:31:38 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/405|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/405 wot-testing PR 405 - add manual.csv for node-wot|
12:31:57 <kaz> s/topic: Testing/topic: Testing - revisited/
12:33:13 <kaz> i|subtopic: manual|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2022.09.Online Testfest logistics|
12:33:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:33:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:33:54 <kaz> q?
12:33:56 <kaz> ack ml
12:34:55 <sebastian> MM: all implementers should join and should submit Architecture assertions results
12:35:24 <kaz> i/Testfest logistisc/subtopic: Logistics - revisited/
12:35:27 <sebastian> ... many assertations are very high level, some quite hard to implement
12:36:21 <kaz> i/subtopic: manual/Target specs - Profiles, Architecture; cleanup in TD, Discovery/
12:36:37 <kaz> i/subtopic: manual/WebEx tbd/
12:36:52 <kaz> i/subtopic: manual/All implementers need to at least submit Architecture assertion results./
12:37:09 <sebastian> topic: Review Charter Extensions and Renewal
12:37:12 <kaz> s/All implementers need to at least submit Architecture assertion results.//
12:38:44 <sebastian> MM: WoT IG will run until end of next week, so we do not need to start WG in February
12:38:52 <kaz> i/Review/MM: Will discuss further in testing call/
12:38:55 <sebastian> ... no problem when we delay
12:38:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:38:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:39:15 <sebastian> topic: Publications
12:39:59 <kaz> i/Testfest logistics/subtopic: Logistics - revisited/
12:40:00 <sebastian> MM: end of October is deadline to publish the CR
12:40:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:40:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:40:16 <kaz> i/Will discuss/scribenick: kaz/
12:40:32 <kaz> i/WoT IG will/scribenick: sebastian/
12:40:44 <kaz> s/end of next week/end of next year/
12:40:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:40:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:41:17 <kaz> q+
12:41:34 <sebastian> Ege: there are plans for some binding documents to publish new Note versions
12:42:29 <sebastian> ... we should also consider to find additional time slot to work on the binding topic
12:42:36 <sebastian> s/topic/topics
12:42:53 <kaz> ack k
12:43:23 <kaz> kaz: please note that we need to think about the whole structure of the binding mechanism
12:43:34 <sebastian> Kaz: we should work on the structure of the binding document. Those documents are very important for implementars and other SDOs
12:44:17 <sebastian> s/implementars/implementers
12:45:16 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1035
12:46:02 <kaz> s/kaz:/Kaz:/
12:47:04 <sebastian> MM: Security is kind of outdated. I like to publish a new version in December or January
12:47:35 <kaz> s/we should work on the structure of the binding document. Those documents are very important for implementars and other SDOs/Binding Templates spec is very important for developers to implement WoT-based IoT systems which include mapping from the other SDOs' standards to the WoT Thing Description./
12:47:45 <kaz> q?
12:47:55 <kaz> q+
12:48:58 <sebastian> topic: Liaisons
12:49:05 <sebastian> subtopic: OPC UA
12:50:00 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:50:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:50:16 <sebastian> tomorrow we will have a meeting with the TCB. We will discuss on the procedure and the formal context of the joint activity.
12:50:31 <kaz> s/tomorrow/sk: tomorrow/
12:50:34 <kaz> kaz: @@@
12:52:08 <kaz> s/@@@/this topic has two points: 1. technical requirements for the expected collaborations, and 2. the gap for liaison procedure between OPC and W3C. We'll talk about the latter tomorrow./
12:52:10 <kaz> q+
12:52:27 <sebastian> topic: Collaborations
12:52:35 <sebastian> subtopic: WoT CG
12:54:19 <sebastian> Ege: interesthing meeting last week with presentation about SIFIS Home and from Luca Barbato and How to build a community from Philipp Blum
12:54:41 <sebastian> s/and from/from
12:55:17 <sebastian> topic: Minutes
12:55:47 <sebastian> subtopic: Minutes 2022-08-31
12:56:08 <sebastian> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-wot-minutes.html
12:56:33 <kaz> i|Minutes|kaz: collaboration with the community is good, but we need to carefully discuss what to be done by the WoT CG. There has been some discussion on possible transfer of deliverables from the WoT IG, but that should be confirmed by the whole WoT CG first, and then brought to the WoT main call here so that we can review the proposal.|
12:56:59 <sebastian> any objections?
12:57:03 <sebastian> no
12:58:00 <sebastian> subtopic: Minutes 2022-09-06 (Pre-TPAC meeting Day 1)
12:58:09 <sebastian> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/09/06-wot-minutes.html
12:58:42 <sebastian> Kaz: we should ask everyone to review the minutes and we can simple approve next week then
12:59:00 <sebastian> MM: ok, lets do this
12:59:27 <sebastian> start testing call in 10min
12:59:30 <sebastian> adjourn
13:09:12 <kaz> s/the minutes/the remaining minutes from the Pre-TPAC, TPAC and Post-TPAC meetings/
13:09:35 <kaz> s/simple approve/approve them/
13:09:44 <kaz> s/then/given the time/
13:09:51 <kaz> rrsagent draft minutes
13:10:36 <kaz> s/rrsagent draft minutes//
13:10:40 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:10:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:12:11 <kaz> i/this topic has two/scribenick: kaz/
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