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11:03:30 <Ege> kaz are you joining webex as well?
11:03:36 <Ege> maybe I am in the wrong one
11:03:38 <kaz> meeting: WoT Marketing
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11:07:10 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Cristiano_Aguzzi
11:09:04 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Marketing_WebConf#September_16.2C_2022
11:09:26 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
11:10:18 <cris_> scribenick cris_
11:10:25 <cris_> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
11:10:32 <cris_> topic: minutes review
11:10:50 <cris_> ege: we discussed about moving the explainer, almost done, we have a follow up issue
11:11:08 <cris_> ... we talked about a discovery explainer, too
11:11:53 <cris_> ... nick names are wrong
11:11:56 <cris_> ... but it looks good
11:11:58 <cris_> kaz: fixed
11:12:01 <kaz> i|we disc|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/08/16-wot-marketing-minutes.html Aug-16|
11:12:08 <cris_> ... anything else to fix?
11:12:16 <cris_> ... ok, minutes approved
11:13:23 <cris_> ege: I have a question, we have a long list of agendas in the wiki
11:13:42 <kaz> q+
11:13:46 <cris_> ... do we have a rule of thumb about how to garbage collect this old agenda items?
11:14:55 <cris_> kaz: you can copy and paste it under the main wiki past content
11:14:57 <kaz> i/I have a qu/topic: Agenda wiki clean-up/
11:15:11 <cris_> ege: ok,
11:15:21 <cris_> ... is everybody fine with this chage?
11:15:25 <cris_> cris: +1
11:15:58 <kaz> s/you can copy and paste it under the main wiki past content/you can move the old content to a subdirectory or a sub file based on the year, e.g., 2020 and 2021, like the main call wiki does/
11:16:03 <cris_> ege: ok, I'll do it after the call
11:16:23 <cris_> topic: Pull requests
11:16:28 <cris_> subtopic: PR 335
11:16:43 <cris_> ege: I worked on the history of the standardization process
11:17:14 <cris_> ... got a bunch of reviews
11:17:56 <cris_> ... I removed pictures to free a little bit of space
11:19:28 <cris_> cris: I like the page, we can use it also to create a timeline with key events during the standardization
11:19:28 <kaz> q+
11:19:57 <cris_> kaz: it is fine if you have extra time
11:20:09 <cris_> ... it is ok
11:20:16 <cris_> ... that kind of diagram is time consuming
11:20:27 <cris_> ... but a list is already fine
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11:24:17 <cris_> ege: adding also an issue about PR reviews
11:24:30 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
11:24:36 <kaz> ack k
11:25:32 <cris_> daniel: there is a problem with links
11:26:02 <kaz> i|I worked on the|->https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/336 PR 336 - Adding History of the Standardization|
11:26:14 <kaz> s/PR 335/PR 336/
11:26:34 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/348
11:26:37 <kaz> s/it is ok/However/
11:27:33 <kaz> s/but a list is already fine/So from my viewpoint, just putting information using HTML lists is fine. Technically, we can render the list as a timeline table later if really needed./
11:27:50 <cris_> ege: there is also a problem in how we configure  the base url
11:28:52 <cris_> ... we can merge it as it is for now
11:28:57 <cris_> daniel: agreed
11:28:57 <Ege> q?
11:30:17 <cris_> subtopic: PR 342
11:30:29 <cris_> ege: I removed old content
11:30:33 <kaz> q+
11:30:42 <cris_> ... about a draft for the wikipedia page
11:30:49 <cris_> kaz: why are removing the content?
11:31:02 <cris_> ege: because the repository is easy to navigate
11:31:12 <cris_> kaz: but now we remove the history
11:31:20 <cris_> ... I'd keep everything
11:33:12 <cris_> ege: if we keep the content then we have to maintain it
11:33:47 <cris_> kaz: from my point of view these documents are still part of the deliverables produced by the WoT Marketing force
11:33:58 <cris_> ... therefore is important to keep track of them
11:34:28 <cris_> ege: ok then I'll close the PR
11:34:43 <dape> q+
11:35:06 <cris_> daniel: maybe it makes sense to add a warning saying that the content is outdated
11:35:53 <cris_> ege: I created a PR with that change
11:36:09 <cris_> kaz: we can also create an obsolete directory
11:36:10 <dape> ack dape
11:36:18 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/350
11:36:31 <cris_> subtopic: PR 349
11:36:39 <cris_> ege: I applied the feedback
11:36:46 <cris_> ... the PR adds a warning
11:37:17 <cris_> subtopic: PR 342
11:37:40 <cris_> ege: we moved the content of the deleted readmes to the website
11:37:55 <cris_> ... therefore the PR is cleaning the old files
11:38:12 <kaz> ack k
11:38:26 <cris_> ... ok merging
11:38:37 <kaz> s/Marketing force/Marketing Task Force/
11:39:05 <cris_> topic: Issues
11:39:13 <cris_> subtopic: Issue 332
11:39:21 <kaz> s/obsolete directory/OBSOLETE directory, and move the old contents to that area./
11:39:22 <cris_> ege: it seems it outdated
11:39:41 <cris_> ... tpac is over
11:39:46 <cris_> ... can we close the issue?
11:39:50 <cris_> cris: +1
11:39:54 <cris_> daniel: +1
11:40:23 <cris_> subtopic: issue 285
11:40:33 <cris_> ege: daniel already did some work on this
11:40:38 <cris_> ... he update arch link
11:40:56 <cris_> s/update/updated/
11:41:07 <cris_> ege: is any other link that we should updated
11:41:13 <cris_> ... ?
11:41:27 <cris_> s/updated/update/
11:41:52 <cris_> kaz: discovery is now published
11:41:55 <kaz> i|I applied the feedback|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/349 PR 349 - Update README.md|
11:42:01 <cris_> ege: daniel can you do the update?
11:42:04 <cris_> daniel: yes
11:42:19 <kaz> s/discovery is now published/Discovery updated WD has been published/
11:42:21 <cris_> subtopic: issue 326
11:42:49 <cris_> ege: the issue is about unify the look and the content of Readmes
11:43:08 <kaz> i|I removed old content|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/342 PR 342 - Delete wikipedia directory|
11:43:13 <cris_> ... we should start from a template
11:43:18 <cris_> ... today I started working on it
11:43:28 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:43:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:43:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/27-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
11:43:36 <cris_> ... and I found a lot of additional information to be published
11:44:00 <kaz> chair: Ege
11:44:29 <kaz> s/scribenick cris_/scribenick: cris_/
11:45:57 <kaz> q+
11:46:33 <cris_> ... I'm going to start working on this template
11:46:42 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io W3C on GitHub guideline
11:46:42 <cris_> ... with content listed in the issue
11:47:16 <cris_> kaz: are you aware about the w3c Github guidelines
11:47:24 <cris_> ege: no
11:47:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:47:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/27-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
11:48:37 <cris_> subtopic: issue 328
11:48:40 <kaz> s/subtopic: PR 342/subtopic: PR 342 - revisited/
11:49:05 <cris_> ege: w3c generates group pages automatically
11:49:14 <Ege> https://www.w3.org/WoT/wg/
11:49:15 <kaz> i|we moved the content|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/342 PR 342 - Delete wikipedia directory|
11:49:17 <Ege> https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/wot
11:49:35 <cris_> ... they contain some information that we also have in our website
11:50:25 <cris_> ... the only thing that the automatic content does not have is the task force list
11:50:46 <kaz> q+
11:50:57 <kaz> s/aware about/aware of/
11:50:59 <cris_> ... my suggestion is to create a crawler to sync changes between the two pages
11:51:14 <cris_> ... we have the tools to do this
11:51:21 <cris_> ... w3c also has apis
11:51:44 <kaz> i|w3c generates|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/328 Issue 328 - Identifying W3C crawlable pages|
11:52:04 <Ege> q?
11:52:45 <cris_> kaz: I asked everybody to think about the relationship between these two pages
11:53:28 <cris_> ... and analyse what we should automatically generated or manually curated
11:54:12 <cris_> ege: what do you mean about relationships?
11:54:55 <cris_> kaz: for example we don't need to embed the participant list in our website
11:55:00 <dape> q+
11:55:15 <cris_> ege: we don't want to refer people to external pages
11:55:36 <cris_> ... because the two websites do not have the same look and feel
11:56:14 <kaz> ack k
11:56:44 <cris_> daniel: we can use a script
11:56:48 <kaz> q+
11:56:49 <cris_> ... it is already there
11:57:09 <cris_> ... we discussed during the last main call
11:57:25 <cris_> ... we should not go back to the situation where we had multiple pages
11:57:58 <dape> ack dape
11:58:56 <cris_> kaz: my priority and priority of the whole group is publication work
11:59:33 <cris_> ege: I belive in marketing work to bring people on wot tech
11:59:44 <cris_> kaz: at the moment we should focus on rec work
11:59:53 <cris_> s/rec/spec/
12:02:30 <cris_> ege: I think this work should not conflict with spec work
12:02:58 <kaz> s/on rec work/on the spec work given our Charter has been extended both for the WG and the IG./
12:03:13 <cris_> ege: aob?
12:04:25 <cris_> [adjourned]
12:04:52 <kaz> s/this work should not conflict with spec work/marketing work is even more important than the spec work./
12:05:01 <kaz> s/I think/I personally think/
12:05:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:05:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/27-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
12:06:37 <kaz> i|aob|kaz: If the WoT IG Marketing TF as a whole really think this marketing work is even more important than the spec work, please make the TF resolution. And then we should bring that proposal to the main WoT WG/IG meeting, and we should see the whole groups' intention./
12:06:55 <kaz> s|intention./|intention.|
12:07:04 <kaz> i/If the WoT/scribenick: kaz/
12:07:11 <kaz> s/aob/scribenick: cris_/
12:07:14 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:07:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/27-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
12:09:20 <kaz> s/scribenick: cris_/aob/
12:09:30 <kaz> i/ege:/scribenick: cris_/
12:09:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:09:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/27-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
12:09:56 <kaz> s|s/on rec work/on the spec work given our Charter has been extended both for the WG and the IG./||
12:10:14 <kaz> s/focus on spec work/focus on the spec work given our Charter has been extended both for the WG and the IG./
12:10:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:10:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/27-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
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