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13:11:15 <cris_> scribenick cris_
13:11:16 <citrullin> https://www.w3.org/2022/Talks/0322-tools-ka/#6
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13:11:24 <cris_> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
13:11:34 <lu_zero> present+ Luca_Barbato
13:11:41 <Ege> Meeting: CG Internal Meeting 1
13:11:51 <cris_> present+ Ege_Korkan
13:12:06 <cris_> topic: next CG event
13:12:21 <cris_> ege: what kind of next event we would like to do?
13:12:31 <cris_> ... we can do one about a specific topic
13:12:53 <cris_> ... we can even create an event for a summary about the current wot spec
13:13:12 <cris_> ... or we can ask other CG members to present their own projects
13:13:24 <cris_> ... any other topics to discuss?
13:13:45 <cris_> citrullin: I can present what I was supposed to present during TPac
13:13:54 <cris_> ... a temperature sensor on RIOTos
13:14:05 <cris_> ... with another node that display information
13:14:22 <cris_> ... it is a showcase of opensource solutions
13:15:32 <cris_> cris: we can always present node-wot
13:15:42 <cris_> citrullin: focused on new features
13:15:44 <cris_> cris: right
13:15:56 <cris_> citrullin: we can do this once in a while
13:16:02 <cris_> ege: it makes sense
13:16:24 <cris_> ege: do you have contact with the firebase node-wot implementation
13:16:27 <cris_> ... ?
13:16:35 <cris_> cris: not me directly
13:16:48 <cris_> daniel: he is pretty active on github
13:16:55 <cris_> ... probably is from japan
13:17:12 <cris_> ege: somebody from the japanese CG knows him ?
13:17:30 <cris_> ... seems no
13:18:04 <cris_> mizushima: no sorry
13:18:43 <cris_> ege: do you have suggestion about the topic area?
13:18:57 <cris_> ... ok then let's move on
13:19:13 <cris_> topic: Collaboration with IG
13:19:27 <cris_> ege: we want to promote a single image of the Web of Things to the pubblic
13:19:38 <cris_> s/pubblic/public/
13:20:03 <kaz> kaz has joined #wot-cg
13:20:06 <cris_> ... we want to have continuity between WoT groups
13:20:08 <cris_> q?
13:20:39 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura
13:20:43 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
13:20:43 <Zakim> Present: Cristiano_Aguzzi, Luca_Barbato, Ege_Korkan, Kaz_Ashimura
13:20:57 <cris_> ... first we have to reach an agreement
13:21:05 <cris_> ... then propose it to the WG and IG
13:21:15 <kaz> present+ Philipp_Blum, Daniel_Peintner, Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:21:27 <cris_> ... and finally discuss with the W3C Management
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13:21:49 <cris_> ... in the current setup CG is not even mentioned
13:22:17 <cris_> ... but there are some issues
13:22:49 <cris_> ... like the website is under IG/WG but resources like tutorials, dev tools are not part of WG or IG work
13:23:00 <cris_> ... we have a maintenance issues
13:23:08 <cris_> ... onboard is hard
13:23:28 <cris_> ... can't invite people easly to provide use cases and ideas
13:23:45 <cris_> ... there are no modern tools for discussion and idea sharing
13:24:06 <cris_> <ege shows the new setup relation graph>
13:25:00 <cris_> subtopic: discussion
13:25:12 <cris_> ege: what is the goal of the collaboration ?
13:25:24 <cris_> q?
13:25:33 <kaz> q+
13:26:34 <cris_> kaz: remember that community group are free to do anything they want. WG and IG are regulated under the W3C process document
13:27:24 <cris_> ... my suggestion is, like with the Japanese CG, to start with a simple topic
13:27:53 <cris_> ... it easier than starting from transferring ownership from Wg/IG website.
13:28:05 <cris_> ege: we are starting work on it
13:28:30 <cris_> ... but now there is the question where to host these resources
13:28:41 <cris_> ... should we hand over to IG website
13:28:47 <kaz> s/community group are/community groups are/
13:28:55 <cris_> ... or host ourselves (causing a split in the community)
13:29:48 <cris_> kaz: current issues slide is misleading
13:29:59 <cris_> ... I prefer start with the question than with the issue list
13:30:46 <cris_> ... it makes more sense to start over with an activity list
13:31:07 <cris_> ege: we sort of have it but we decided to focused on the collaboration first
13:31:42 <cris_> kaz: we have to focus on what kind of activities we want to do as CG
13:31:50 <Mizushima> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/PRESENTATIONS/2022-09-hybrid-f2f/2022-09-14-WoT-F2F-WoT-JP-CG-Mizushima.pdf about WoT-JP CG
13:32:08 <cris_> q+ lu_zero
13:32:11 <cris_> ack k
13:32:13 <kaz> ack k
13:33:23 <kaz> s/I prefer start with the question than with the issue list/We should rather start with the discussion on what kind of activities to be done by the CG directly./
13:33:47 <cris_> lu_zero: it is very difficult to get an overview of the WoT
13:35:10 <cris_> ege: ok
13:35:20 <kaz> s|we have to focus on what kind of activities we want to do as CG|Maybe it would make sense to think about what king of activities or categories of the work items to be done collaboratively with the WoT IG/WG like Mizushima-san described during the TPAC meeting.|
13:36:09 <cris_> ... the repository list is not clear either
13:36:37 <cris_> citrullin: I can mirror repositories
13:36:41 <cris_> q+
13:36:44 <cris_> ack lu
13:37:00 <cris_> ege: I liked kaz suggestion
13:37:07 <cris_> ... let's focus on this point
13:37:18 <cris_> ... what should we do
13:37:54 <kaz> q+
13:38:15 <cris_> ege: should we create task forces inside the CG?
13:38:31 <cris_> kaz: not really, first you start from activity type and then to taskforces
13:38:32 <citrullin> q+
13:39:18 <kaz> ack k
13:40:22 <kaz> s/ not really, first you start from activity type and then to taskforces/You don't have to create TFs within the CG, but you need to identify what kind of tasks to be done the CG. If needed, you can create a dedicated TF for each task item later./
13:40:38 <cris_> ack c
13:40:48 <cris_> ack cris_
13:41:24 <cris_> cris: it might be interesting to create awesome-wot repository
13:41:36 <cris_> citrullin: there is already one
13:42:01 <cris_> cris: ok, another thing about activities I think one of the goal should be onboard developers
13:42:10 <cris_> ege: ok true
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13:42:18 <cris_> ... but about activiities
13:42:29 <cris_> ... event organization
13:42:41 <cris_> ... and create developer community infrastructure
13:42:45 <cris_> q+
13:42:53 <kaz> chair: Ege/Cristiano
13:43:12 <cris_> citrullin: targetting events
13:43:16 <kaz> s/scribenick cris_/scribenick: cris_/
13:43:56 <kaz> s/to be done the/to be done by the/
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13:44:38 <kaz> s/what king of activities/what kind of activities/
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13:45:06 <kaz> s/Mizushima-san described/Mizushima-san described about the WoT-JP CG/
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13:45:30 <cris_> q?
13:45:33 <cris_> ack c
13:45:53 <cris_> q+
13:46:21 <kaz> s/during the TPAC meeting/during the TPAC meeting, e.g., Outreach, Deployment, Use Cases and Translation./
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13:47:18 <citrullin> q+
13:48:14 <cris_> ege: we have already a lot of ambitious goals
13:48:32 <cris_> cris: I agree, but now the next step is to decide the image to use
13:48:44 <cris_> ... are we CG? are we representing WoT ?
13:49:11 <cris_> citrullin: simple answer we can represent ourselves or our company
13:49:17 <cris_> q+
13:50:11 <cris_> ege: so which link should we give people
13:50:28 <cris_> citrullin: we can just give them two links
13:50:56 <cris_> ... in my previous experience
13:51:07 <cris_> ... we can just make it clear that is a community effort
13:51:35 <Ege> q?
13:52:30 <kaz> q+
13:52:52 <cris_> ack c
13:52:57 <cris_> ack cris_
13:53:08 <cris_> cris: we should try to have a single image
13:53:19 <cris_> citrullin: it would be nice
13:53:28 <cris_> ... but the problem is, we can't afford it
13:54:29 <cris_> s/afford/enforce/
13:55:24 <cris_> cris: I agree, but it wouldn't be better to give people the means to claim to be under the same umbrella?
13:57:32 <cris_> kaz: from my view point, the conclusion is the w3c WG/IG people need to get a resolution from the whole group. On the other hand, WoT CG is not representing W3C as a whole but you can leverage on the same mechanism to let people represent the WoT CG
13:58:11 <cris_> citrullin: so, as long as it is clear that our resources are not from the w3c wg/ig, we are fine
13:58:31 <cris_> kaz: for example, if you want to do a presentation at a conference
13:58:51 <cris_> ... you need to have a resolution from the CG
13:59:06 <cris_> q+
14:00:15 <cris_> kaz: regarding the WoT icon, it is already used
14:00:24 <cris_> ... and you can use it
14:00:31 <cris_> ege: I think we should
14:00:41 <cris_> ack cris_
14:00:51 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-cg/blob/main/wot-ig-collaboration.md
14:00:58 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-cg/discussions/6
14:01:14 <cris_> ege: before closing I set up a github discussion to continue talking about it
14:01:31 <cris_> ... also citrullin why do you want to use another logo?
14:02:01 <cris_> citrullin: The same logo give to the user the false impression to be in an official wot webpage
14:02:15 <cris_> ege: Japanese CG use it
14:02:21 <cris_> cirtrullin: not sure
14:03:47 <kaz> s|from my view point, the conclusion is the w3c WG/IG people need to get a resolution from the whole group. On the other hand, WoT CG is not representing W3C as a whole but you can leverage on the same mechanism to let people represent the WoT CG|From my viewpoint, the policy is clear enough, so I'm not sure what is the question here. If you (as a participant in the WoT CG) would like to represent the WoT CG at some conference, you need to make a
14:03:47 <kaz> resolution by the WoT CG. On the other hand, if you (as a participant in the WoT IG/WG) would like to represent the WoT IG/WG at some conference, you need to make a resolution by the WoT IG/WG.|
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14:04:20 <kaz> q+
14:04:35 <cris_> cris: why don't we do just a variation of the current logo?
14:04:47 <cris_> citrullin: ok if everybody is on the same page
14:05:12 <kaz> s#resolution by the WoT CG. On the other hand, if you (as a participant in the WoT IG/WG) would like to represent the WoT IG/WG at some conference, you need to make a resolution by the WoT IG/WG.|##
14:05:32 <cris_> ege: we'll send updates for the next event
14:05:55 <Ege> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:06:14 <cris_> [adjourned]
14:06:26 <kaz> s#, you need to make a#, you need to make a resolution by the WoT CG. On the other hand, if you (as a participant in the WoT IG/WG) would like to represent the WoT IG/WG at some conference, you need to make a resolution by the WoT IG/WG.#
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