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13:43:16 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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13:43:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:43:22 <trackbot> Date: 15 September 2022
13:43:30 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:43:37 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/021b74cf-1c4d-4034-a758-f8f88290b55d
13:43:37 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:43:37 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:43:37 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:43:39 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:43:41 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:43:43 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
13:43:45 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:44:04 <addison> agenda+ TPAC in review
13:44:12 <addison> agenda+ Payments
13:44:26 <addison> agenda+ APA prep
13:44:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
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14:01:55 <JcK> present+ JcK
14:02:02 <fsasaki> present+ fsasaki
14:02:04 <Bert> present+
14:02:07 <addison> present+ Addison, Bert, JcK, Felix, Richard, Atsushi
14:03:43 <addison> agenda?
14:03:51 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:03:51 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:04:23 <atsushi> addison: we had meetings during TPAC as usual
14:05:02 <addison> agenda+ i18n-glossary edits
14:05:02 <r12a-again> agenda+ Linking info about string-meta & js
14:05:23 <r12a-again> agenda+ Glossary styling & content
14:05:52 <r12a-again> agenda?
14:06:04 <atsushi> [some new agenda items added]
14:06:22 <r12a-again> agenda+ What's coming tomorrow with CSS folks
14:06:48 <r12a-again> close agendum-12
14:07:00 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:07:00 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:07:03 <r12a-again> zakim, close agendum-12
14:07:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close agendum-12', r12a-again
14:07:18 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:07:23 <atsushi> zakim, close agendum 12
14:07:23 <Zakim> agendum 12, Glossary styling & content, closed
14:07:24 <Zakim> I see 12 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:07:24 <Zakim> 1. Agenda Review [from agendabot]
14:07:56 <atsushi> addison: 1109, no new item
14:08:14 <atsushi> addison: 1164, not completed yet
14:08:55 <atsushi> addison: 1183, asking around, but will ask someone who can contact with ECMA TC39 process
14:09:36 <atsushi> addison: 1185, published updated version?
14:09:44 <atsushi> r12a: did happen, but will check
14:10:39 <atsushi> addison: 1190, added, but not checked in yet
14:11:15 <atsushi> addison: 1195, little bit conversation on this, start catching up. probably need longer email thread
14:11:54 <atsushi> r12a: got an idea since Erica asked
14:12:02 <addison> agenda+ (if we have time) font generics
14:12:42 <atsushi> atsushi: 1196, will pick up this during JL-TF call next Tue
14:13:59 <atsushi> addison: 1200, PR added, and will have discussion later
14:15:05 <atsushi> addison: 1201, it's string search stuff
14:15:32 <atsushi> r12a: 1202, not yet, but will do soon
14:16:20 <atsushi> addison: 1204, they are requesting us for CR transition, on pending TC39 one
14:16:29 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:16:29 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:17:08 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:17:08 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:17:10 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:17:33 <atsushi> addison: no new incoming
14:18:11 <atsushi> addison: pending issue for autoplay policy detection
14:18:23 <atsushi> r12a: did not find anything else
14:19:06 <atsushi> s/ pending issue/no pending issue/
14:19:10 <atsushi> addison: close this?
14:19:30 <addison> agenda?
14:19:33 <atsushi> [agreed]
14:19:50 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:19:50 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- TPAC in review -- taken up [from addison]
14:21:24 <atsushi> r12a: surprised that TPAC starts from early hour, easier for around
14:22:15 <atsushi> ... for on site, a little issue on voice via mask
14:22:24 <atsushi> ... video worked really well
14:22:25 <Bert> (But the hotel breakfast only starts at 6:30, I think, so starting at 7 may be hard for that reason.)
14:23:10 <atsushi> addison: reception last night
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14:24:30 <atsushi_> addison: heard from several people that no one in the room but only remotely
14:24:40 <atsushi_> bert: about infrastrucuture, no separate microphone for small room, setting up microphone was ideal
14:25:00 <atsushi_> r12a: I see photo in group on twitter
14:25:36 <atsushi_> addison: super masking stuff
14:26:00 <atsushi_> ... so far so good.
14:27:32 <atsushi_> addison: meeting room stuff were pretty well
14:27:47 <atsushi_> addison: invited from APA all afternoon
14:30:17 <Bert> q+ to notice that Squamish uses "7" as a letter.
14:30:30 <atsushi_> ack b
14:30:30 <Zakim> Bert, you wanted to notice that Squamish uses "7" as a letter.
14:30:31 <addison> ack Bert
14:32:26 <atsushi_> addison: spent large time on CSS isuses, productive, Florian and Elika were with us for long time
14:32:36 <atsushi_> r12a: we could do that other than TPAC
14:33:25 <atsushi_> ... occasional setting up meeting, like in advance from TPAC
14:33:30 <atsushi_> addison: agree
14:33:58 <atsushi_> ... it was nice filler in the meeting, but we might work onother items
14:34:03 <atsushi_> s/onother/on other/
14:34:22 <atsushi_> ... but having every other weeks or occasionally could work
14:34:37 <atsushi_> addison: also MathML people came
14:35:17 <atsushi_> bert: only three of us were in room, more in zoom
14:35:47 <atsushi_> ... discussed on formula in other languages, or how these are spoken
14:36:24 <atsushi_> addison: super interesting, our conversation touched many languages in the world, and also subject/SVO forms
14:37:00 <atsushi_> ... doing in math for various languages are nice
14:37:12 <atsushi_> addison: had nice conversation with @@@1 last night
14:37:43 <atsushi_> ... touched with Thai people via email, right side of email address, how browser knows
14:37:51 <addison> s/@@@1/Anne/
14:38:05 <addison> s/Thai/EAI/
14:38:19 <atsushi_> JcK: there are proposal on restriction for right hand side of email
14:38:29 <atsushi_> ... to have restriction like DNS
14:38:55 <atsushi_> ... currently no restriction on right hand side not like left side
14:39:10 <atsushi_> ... like BiDi controls
14:39:24 <atsushi_> addison: suspect to talk on that issue in near future
14:39:40 <atsushi_> ... would be interested in status about these
14:40:05 <atsushi_> ... challange in HTML are what is in common email services, and browser supports
14:40:20 <atsushi_> JcK: number of email servers accept these
14:41:13 <atsushi_> addison: challange here is filter, currently no restriction on right hand side
14:41:35 <atsushi_> ... otherwise there are some filter in some scripts
14:41:56 <atsushi_> JcK: filter could be more extensive
14:42:35 <atsushi_> addison: much more agressive filter, like punctuation, could be considered
14:42:43 <atsushi_> addison: any other recapping?
14:42:47 <Bert> s/only three of us/only four of us/
14:42:50 <addison> agenda?
14:43:14 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:43:14 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Payments -- taken up [from addison]
14:43:37 <fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
14:43:53 <fsasaki> addison: had a meeting with web payments to talk about secure payment information
14:44:19 <fsasaki> ... they accepted all of our comments, we have action plan for addressing different ones
14:44:43 <atsushi_> scribe+
14:45:13 <atsushi_> ... SPC is browser post native popup box, with native language
14:45:26 <atsushi_> ... currency number, currency code, string, for user
14:45:50 <atsushi_> ... native experience is not secured to same as web page
14:46:22 <atsushi_> ... no control like numbers inside of web page
14:46:28 <Bert> s/ is browser/ lets browser
14:46:43 <atsushi_> ... language negotiation mechanism may not work for SPC
14:47:14 <atsushi_> ... and implementing language preference list in SPC
14:47:40 <atsushi_> addison: it is interesting since similar discussion could happen with other browser based APIs
14:48:11 <atsushi_> addison: other hot topic was DOMString and USVString
14:48:36 <atsushi_> ... some in DOMString since other specs uses DOMString
14:48:46 <atsushi_> ... may need to study more on two formats
14:49:04 <atsushi_> addison: last piece is string-meta
14:49:45 <atsushi_> ... they have some text in natural language, they would go forward to CR with pending these as TC39
14:49:56 <atsushi_> ... potentionally reasonable for us
14:50:29 <atsushi_> ... will put comment in issue
14:50:49 <addison> agenda?
14:51:19 <atsushi_> JcK: is group in touch with TC39?
14:51:33 <atsushi_> addison: don't know
14:52:29 <atsushi_> addison: worring on some currency like bitcoin does not have currency as codepoint
14:52:48 <atsushi_> JcK: real bunkers could be in trouble
14:52:55 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 11
14:52:55 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- Linking info about string-meta & js -- taken up [from r12a-again]
14:53:13 <Bert> s/bunkers/bankers/
14:54:01 <atsushi_> r12a: you created a place where everyone can see current progress, do you know the place?
14:54:24 <atsushi_> addison: 1579
14:54:27 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1579
14:55:07 <atsushi_> r12a: two, we need to direct people to it, putting a link to relevant places
14:56:12 <atsushi_> ... looking through some of tracker issues, rather than actual WG issues, not clear but wondering
14:56:21 <atsushi_> addison: some are in our repo
14:56:50 <atsushi_> r12a: these would be taken into a list for where other WG people will check
14:56:58 <JcK> For the minutes on the email addres stuff: there is really no issue with the right side (domain-part, after @ for contemporary email address formats).  The syntax rules are well-defined by IDNA2008, as is a completely reversible mapping between valid A-label and U-labels ("Punycode" and native character forms), and any address with an invalid domain-part is not going to work in actual email transport anyway.  The more difficult issue is the left side (lo[CUT]
14:57:30 <JcK>  which, once one moves off not-very-restricted ASCII (a letter-digit-hyphen restriction has _never_ been valid and some web implementations thinking it is has been the source of huge problems), the only current protocol restriction is valid UTF-8.
14:57:54 <atsushi_> addison: some is not sent to group repository, or some are in pending
14:58:23 <atsushi_> r12a: it might be better to add once needs-resolurion is filed against group
14:58:46 <atsushi_> addison: this is a list which we think we are thinking
14:59:19 <atsushi_> r12a: one example, link to our tracker isue, #193 for Vocab-duv, which points to email thread
14:59:43 <addison> action: addison: triage the linked issues in #1579 into active vs. non-active
14:59:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1205 - Triage the linked issues in #1579 into active vs. non-active [on Addison Phillips - due 2022-09-22].
14:59:44 <atsushi_> ... wondering why this is in our list, also spec is in active and raised against there?
15:00:15 <atsushi_> r12a: one reason we gather links here, is other groups could check what are going
15:00:50 <atsushi_> addison: I've pull this list from existing one, but will make sure all of these have a right link
15:01:02 <atsushi_> ... also move else to separate list
15:01:14 <atsushi_> ... or file pending issues
15:02:21 <atsushi_> r12a: web shareone, #248, is closed, but w3cbot acts illegular?
15:02:31 <atsushi_> ... need to takeout these
15:03:42 <atsushi_> addison: update.
15:04:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:04:56 <atsushi_> r12a: thank you for doing this, really useful
15:05:10 <atsushi_> ... do you need needs-resolution label for parent tracker issue?
15:06:15 <addison> agenda?
15:06:29 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 10
15:06:29 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- i18n-glossary edits -- taken up [from addison]
15:07:00 <addison> https://aphillips.github.io/i18n-glossary/
15:07:08 <atsushi_> addison: have action item to add two into glossaly
15:07:38 <atsushi_> ... having same feeling as Richard's comment, and added notes
15:08:16 <atsushi_> r12a: see also links are not in the same format as others
15:09:59 <atsushi_> [linking issue]
15:10:30 <atsushi_> r12a: I cannot see how these will fit in our normal text
15:11:05 <atsushi_> addison: will update
15:11:19 <atsushi_> r12a: in one paragraph is format here
15:12:14 <atsushi_> addison: no local.css here, but in the html file
15:12:32 <atsushi_> ... used inline for character code style as our normal
15:12:51 <atsushi_> ... will take the most maintained one as glossary's local style
15:13:01 <atsushi_> ... I think header spacing is different, or something
15:13:55 <atsushi_> ... in some future, we could have one local.css, but not sure how echidna would work
15:14:29 <atsushi_> r12a: gap-analysis documents have ones, and when you run the process, building page, and JS will take files
15:14:51 <atsushi_> addison: we can have as link, and also take them as a file via echidna
15:15:53 <atsushi_> r12a: ideal idea for local.css is just to have definitions relevant to specific document
15:16:19 <atsushi_> ... in addison, i18n general styling css file could be possible
15:16:40 <atsushi_> ... and local.css can overload like heading spacing
15:17:44 <Bert> q+ to wonder if a style sheet outside of the document directory is allowed -> https://www.w3.org/pubrules/doc/rules/?profile=WD#compoundFilesLocation compound document rules
15:17:50 <atsushi_> addison: jump into local.css and split something into i18n CSS and others as local.css
15:19:40 <atsushi_> [discussed what to go]
15:19:56 <Bert> s/go/do/
15:19:57 <addison> action: richard: create i18n CSS from local.css and do other related work (see notes)
15:19:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1206 - Create i18n css from local.css and do other related work (see notes) [on Richard Ishida - due 2022-09-22].
15:22:35 <atsushi_> addison: will introduce update, and Richard can push PR against
15:24:12 <r12a> <span class="codepoint" translate="no"><bdi lang="ar" dir="rtl">&#x0681;</bdi> [<span class="uname">U+0681 ARABIC LETTER HAH WITH HAMZA ABOVE</span>]</span>
15:24:32 <atsushi_> [styling of rtl part]
15:25:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:25:48 <atsushi_> [way to copy from character picker]
15:26:12 <addison> r12a.github.io/pickers <- as a reminder
15:26:21 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/pickers/arab-ar/index.html
15:26:42 <r12a> click on Character Markup
15:26:51 <atsushi_> addison: will clean up edits, and commit these
15:27:09 <addison> agenda?
15:27:17 <atsushi_> ... and pass ACTION
15:27:46 <atsushi_> bert: on stylesheet, restriction exists in echidna, for external styles
15:28:14 <atsushi_> r12a: for gap-analysis document, only one stylesheet, but contents are integrated to output
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15:28:51 <Bert> q-
15:29:30 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 13
15:29:30 <Zakim> agendum 13 -- What's coming tomorrow with CSS folks -- taken up [from r12a-again]
15:30:12 <atsushi_> r12a: wanted to know what will be for tomorrow, and would prepare
15:30:24 <atsushi_> addison: all labelled as agenda+ for TPAC
15:30:33 <JcK> I'm going to need to drop off but have very little to add to CSS discussions anyway.  And, unless it is moved, I have a schedule conflict for next week, so will see you in two.
15:30:54 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+tpac
15:31:09 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Agenda%2B+TPAC%22+label%3Ai18n-needs-resolution
15:31:28 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Agenda%2B+TPAC%22+label%3Ai18n-tracker
15:33:18 <atsushi_> addison: most of these were discussed during a few past days
15:33:30 <atsushi_> ... ideal to have list of agenda
15:33:50 <atsushi_> ... we can do two per an hour, if go as usual
15:34:15 <atsushi_> r12a: one pended for Friday?
15:34:42 <atsushi_> addison: flow-relative syntax in tracker?
15:38:45 <atsushi_> r12a: to add one, auto-spacing from text-spacing?
15:39:11 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7183
15:41:29 <addison> @fantasai: which specific issues should we expect to discuss with CSS
15:41:31 <atsushi_> r12a: added agenda+ TPAC label [[
15:41:38 <atsushi_> s/[[/^^/
15:42:25 <atsushi_> r12a: will change one for flow relative attributes
15:42:41 <atsushi_> addison: trim-end and text-normal?
15:43:11 <atsushi_> r12a: haven't raised, not in agreement where to go
15:44:16 <atsushi_> [assessment on issues]
15:45:06 <atsushi_> addison: will drop in email
15:47:41 <atsushi_> addison: meeting will be from 10:30am Vancouber
15:49:35 <r12a> agenda?
15:50:16 <Bert> s/Vancouber/Vancouver
15:51:36 <r12a> kʰai̯ tʰi
15:51:47 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/app-pinyin-phonetics/index.html
15:52:55 <r12a> s/Erika/Elika/
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17:19:44 <addison> close action-1190
17:19:44 <trackbot> Closed action-1190.
17:22:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
17:23:28 <addison> s/in addison/in addition/
17:24:31 <addison> s/Erica/Elika (fantasai)/
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17:25:56 <addison> Topic: AOB?
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17:26:15 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been JcK, fsasaki, Bert, Addison, Felix, Richard, Atsushi
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