13:54:24 RRSAgent has joined #wcag2ict 13:54:24 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/09/08-wcag2ict-irc 13:54:26 RRSAgent, make logs Public 13:54:27 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), maryjom 13:54:44 Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference 13:54:59 meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference 13:55:13 zakim, save this conference description 13:55:13 sorry, I have not been told a conference description for this channel, maryjom 13:55:27 zakim, clear agenda 13:55:27 agenda cleared 13:55:39 Chair: Mary_Jo_Mueller 13:56:03 agenda+ Welcome 13:56:20 agenda+ Short-term meeting dates 13:56:30 agenda+ Introductions 13:56:43 agenda+ Identify unfilled roles and potential interest 13:56:48 present+ 13:56:56 agenda+ Getting started with W3C and the WCAG2ICT wiki 13:57:01 ShawnT has joined #wcag2ict 13:57:11 agenda+ Ways we might work - making sure all have access, can work effectively 13:57:24 agenda+ Initial priorities for the group 13:57:34 BryanTrogdon has joined #wcag2ict 13:57:47 agenda+ Homework / preparation for the next meeting 13:58:33 agenda? 13:58:55 present+ 13:59:05 present+ 13:59:12 shadi has joined #wcag2ict 13:59:13 Hi, is there a link and passcode for this invite? W3C is stating I don't have privileges when following the link off of telecon page 13:59:26 present+ 13:59:51 present+ 14:00:15 I'm getting Sorry, Insufficient Access Privileges :( 14:00:16 Judy has joined #wcag2ict 14:01:35 lmiller_ has joined #wcag2ict 14:01:42 +present 14:01:55 Hi, is there a link and passcode for this invite? W3C is stating I don't have privileges when following the link off of telecon page 14:02:59 dmontalvo has joined #wcag2ict 14:03:03 olivia-hogan-stark has joined #wcag2ict 14:03:25 FernandaBonnin has joined #wcag2ict 14:03:30 zakim, pick a victim 14:03:30 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose present 14:03:54 bruce_bailey_ has joined #wcag2ict 14:03:56 e 14:04:00 scribe: dmontalvo 14:04:02 present+ 14:04:07 present+ 14:04:42 Chair: Mary Jo 14:04:47 zakim, take up next 14:04:47 agendum 1 -- Welcome -- taken up [from maryjom] 14:05:12 [[Introductions]] 14:06:22 present+ 14:06:41 M: We are focusing on completing an pudate to the 2014 Note 14:06:55 philday has joined #wcag2ict 14:07:08 s/2014/2013/ 14:07:23 ... In addition we have now gained some experience on applying WCAG SCs ot non WCAG technologies 14:07:41 ... Also the EN301549 standard will be updated next year and this work is relevant for that 14:07:46 https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/wiki/Work-for-the-week#preparation-for-8-september-meeting 14:07:56 GreggVan has joined #wcag2ict 14:08:38 ... We will not be modifying the standards 14:08:51 ... This is aninterpretation of the standards only 14:09:27 ... We expect that all the participants contribute to the work. We need everybody's help to get this done 14:09:36 present+ 14:09:50 ... Everyone needs to adhere to W3C's CEPC 14:10:09 ... If you have ont read it before, a link is in the prep work for next meetings 14:10:20 [CEPC = Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct] 14:11:09 ... All accessibility standards are developed under the Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) 14:11:26 ... Judy Brewer is the WAI Director 14:11:34 https://www.w3.org/wai/ 14:11:37 ... Within WAI there are various groups focusing on specific topics 14:11:49 ... Within the groups there are Task Forces, like ours 14:12:10 Link to W3C's CEPC: https://www.w3.org/Consortium/cepc/ 14:12:43 ... This TF falls under AGWG (Accessibility Guidelines Working Group) 14:13:06 ... Chuck is one of the co-chairs and will be a liaison to the group 14:13:42 ... He will also be na acting co-chair, this is a temporary thing for the moment 14:14:11 ... I really thank Judy and my partners for getting this started 14:14:17 Sam has joined #wcag2ict 14:14:24 ... Also thanking W3C Staff, Michael Cooper and Daniel MOntalvo 14:14:36 ThorstenKatzmann has joined #wcag2ict 14:15:05 ... Our work is under W3C consensus process 14:15:21 ... Will be using the AGWG Decission Policy 14:15:44 ... For next meeting prep there is a link to the Decission Polcy. It tries to reach unanimous agreement where possible 14:15:58 q? 14:16:05 ... During the meetings we will follow W3C etiquette 14:16:17 ... IRC and queue will be used 14:16:32 ... IF you can't join IRC please ask us to acknowledge you on the phone 14:16:54 ... Feel free to speak, everyone has a chance to contribute 14:17:12 ... Minutes will be sent to the list 14:17:38 Judy: Thanks everyone for joining 14:18:07 ... Mary Jo and Chuck have been working for months to put together the TF Work Statement, I am very grateful for their work 14:18:23 ... I hope what we did in 2012 can help us going forward 14:19:04 ... Even though we do produce a Working Group Note, that can eventually get reviewed and promoted to a W3C Statement 14:19:26 ... The process of mapping WCAG to other technologies is tricky, we need to work carefully 14:19:54 ... I am going to ask you in advance to respect when your co-facilitator asks you to not get beyond the scope of what is discussed 14:20:42 ... Thank you Chuck for standing up as we work on a possible European liaision 14:20:53 Chuck: A pleasure to work ith you all 14:21:04 MJ: Questions? 14:21:26 zakim, take up next 14:21:26 agendum 2 -- Short-term meeting dates -- taken up [from maryjom] 14:21:56 s/Working Group Note, that can eventually/Working Group Note, that will not be normative, though it could potentially become a candidate for a W3C statement/ 14:22:24 MJ: This coming week is TPAC, during that week there will be no WCAG2ICT meeting 14:22:42 ... The 15 there is no meeting, we will resume on the 22 14:23:07 q+ 14:23:27 ack dmontalvo 14:23:40 dmontalvo: can you Email with link to survey? There was an issue with previous one. 14:24:32 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/WCAG2ICT-weeks-available/ 14:24:40 MJ: The survey will remain open, you can update your answers as long whenever your availability changesavailability 14:24:44 zakim, take up next 14:24:44 agendum 3 -- Introductions -- taken up [from maryjom] 14:24:59 q+ 14:25:01 q+ 14:25:01 q+ 14:25:01 q+ 14:25:06 q+ 14:25:07 q+ 14:25:07 q+ 14:25:07 q+ 14:25:07 q+ 14:25:08 +q 14:25:10 q+ 14:25:16 q+ 14:25:20 q+ 14:25:28 q+ 14:25:38 q+ 14:25:42 ack lmiller_ 14:25:42 q+ 14:26:04 [[Round of introductions]] 14:26:08 Apologies all - I have to drop for another meeting. Hope to join you for the full time next week 14:26:46 ack dmontalvo 14:27:15 circ-user-UwelH has joined #wcag2ict 14:27:29 dmontalvo: W3C staff since 2019. Previously accessibility tester, consultant and trainer. Still working in training. 14:27:35 ack chuck 14:28:33 ack BryanTrogdon 14:28:50 q+ 14:28:56 ack MichaelC 14:28:57 circ-user-kATIA has joined #wcag2ict 14:29:15 ack ChrisLoiselle 14:29:58 ack ShawnT 14:30:15 q+ CaraH 14:30:41 ack fern 14:30:53 ack bruce_bailey_ 14:30:55 Bruce Bailey, IT Specialist at U.S. Access Board, IE w/ AG WG, provide technical assistance on 508 regulation, suggested WCAG for non-web software and docs in 2011 14:31:18 q+ 14:31:28 ack ThorstenKatzmann 14:31:50 so nice to see old friends and meet new ones ! 14:32:35 You are very welcome Thorsten! 14:32:44 ack Judy 14:33:40 ack sam 14:34:22 ack olivia-hogan-stark 14:34:55 ack GreggVan 14:35:37 ack shadi 14:36:49 ack AnastasiaLanz 14:37:23 ack cara 14:38:01 ack devanshu 14:38:06 Welcome to all our first timers! 14:39:33 zakim, take up next 14:39:33 agendum 4 -- Identify unfilled roles and potential interest -- taken up [from maryjom] 14:39:57 MJ: We need to fill in some positions 14:40:14 ... We need a editors who are (or can become) familiar with GitHub 14:40:29 ... Contact Chuck or myself if you are interested 14:40:59 ... Chuck and I think everybody should have the right to contribute and would try to avoid being editors ourselves 14:41:05 ... Formats will be discussed later 14:41:07 q+ to ask why TF wants additional co-chair ? 14:41:17 ack bruce_bailey_ 14:41:17 bruce_bailey_, you wanted to ask why TF wants additional co-chair ? 14:41:27 q+ 14:41:31 q+ 14:41:42 ack judy 14:41:58 Bruce: IS this because we don't want to have only industry in the editor's position? 14:42:03 q+ 14:42:16 Judy: We are trying to carefully separate roles 14:42:24 ... This may not matter now, but it may matter in the future 14:43:01 ... We are trying to ensure representation form disability communities as well as some other stakeholders 14:43:15 ack chuck 14:44:09 Chuck: I hope that filling in this TF leadership is temporary, being an AGWG Chair is time consuming in itself. My role in this team is not going to be to represent Oracle interests but to represent AGWG interests 14:44:25 ... Hopefully someone will fill in that position and I can get back to liaisoning 14:44:30 ack GreggVan 14:44:41 MJ: I am also impartial and Torsten is taking the iBM hat 14:45:02 Mike Pluke as co-facilitator 14:45:06 q+ 14:45:07 last time 14:46:16 Greg: Are we trying to do the same European involvement: involvement here? 14:46:25 Judy: Yes, converstaions are going on 14:46:37 Gregg: Are we having co-facilitators for this group instead of chairs? 14:46:49 Judy: Yes, 14:46:52 zakim, take up next 14:46:53 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, dmontalvo 14:47:00 q? 14:47:00 q? 14:47:01 ack g 14:47:07 ack Ju 14:47:11 ack ju 14:47:14 zakim, take up next 14:47:14 agendum 5 -- Getting started with W3C and the WCAG2ICT wiki -- taken up [from maryjom] 14:47:32 https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/wiki 14:47:32 https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/wiki 14:48:16 MJ: I have established this wiki as the starting point for this TF 14:48:36 ... We have several useful links to IRC, minute-taking, meeting logistics, etc 14:49:00 ... There are some placeholder pages as well 14:49:37 ... We need to discuss which tools work best for each of us 14:49:39 q+ to ask about first pass draft David McDonald did (on his own) some years back ? 14:49:49 ... We have links to the new WCAG21 SCs 14:50:07 ack bruce_bailey_ 14:50:07 bruce_bailey_, you wanted to ask about first pass draft David McDonald did (on his own) some years back ? 14:50:10 ... If you ahve any unanswered questions let me know, I will try to answer as soon as I can 14:50:10 q+ 14:50:34 Bruce: Does anyone have a link to the work that David McDonald started? 14:50:44 MJ: Good point, I have it and will add it 14:50:52 ack Gregg 14:51:26 Gregg: Someone said we were going to update the old document. Is this what we are going to do? 14:51:31 MJ: Let's discuss 14:51:32 zakim, take up item 7 14:51:33 agendum 7 -- Initial priorities for the group -- taken up [from maryjom] 14:51:34 zakim, take up item 7 14:51:34 agendum 7 -- Initial priorities for the group -- taken up [from maryjom] 14:51:57 MJ: First we need to agree on the Work Statement and also for AGWG to approve 14:52:10 ... Once approved, we can move on to work on the document itself 14:52:27 MJ: I think the biggest priority is to include WCAG 2.1 and 2.2 SCs 14:52:45 ... There is also new issues with current technologies and open issues that have been logged on GitHub 14:52:53 q+ 14:52:54 CaraHenderson has joined #wcag2ict 14:53:03 ... I also konw that there are problems with some technologies that we need to be clrearer about 14:53:28 ... We may have to publish and then continue based on timing 14:53:56 ack Gregg 14:53:57 ... But we need to prioritize to get things done and to be ready for EN301549 updates 14:54:14 Gregg: Will there be links for the priority draft? Could you put a link to ghe TigHub issues as well? 14:54:18 q+ 14:54:37 ... Would you also add the link from David McDonald? 14:54:47 MJ: I guess I could put the links directly on the wiki 14:55:04 q+ 14:55:11 MJ: I wll fix all of this for thenext meeting 14:55:14 ack Sam 14:55:43 Sam: Could you touch on what timelines we have as per EN301549? 14:56:17 Torsten: Standardization Request has not been signed yet, I think the timeline is next week or the week after for that to happen 14:57:00 4 minute warning 14:57:00 In main wcag repo there is a label: https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues?q=label%3Awcag2ict 14:57:06 no much there right now 14:57:10 ... Then we will have about three years time to finish the work, that means one or one and a half year to work on the ocntent, the rest will be mostly devoted to process 14:57:44 MJ: I think this shows why this work is now time sensitive 14:58:13 ... There is a lot of review cycles after we finish the content, and some further steps to completion after those reviews 14:58:38 Are there any resources about what was said about the European Union and timelines? 14:58:40 ack Judy 14:58:52 s/no much there right now/not much there right now 14:59:08 Judy: I ask people to be patient with our co-facilitators. IF people have questions, feel free to use email 14:59:26 ... I hope we can have some homeworkto do during the next two weeks 14:59:26 zakim, take up next item 14:59:26 agendum 5 -- Getting started with W3C and the WCAG2ICT wiki -- taken up [from maryjom] 14:59:29 zakim, take up next 14:59:29 agendum 5 was just opened, dmontalvo 14:59:31 zakim, take up item 8 14:59:31 agendum 8 -- Homework / preparation for the next meeting -- taken up [from maryjom] 14:59:56 MJ: We'll have to talk offline what tools work best for us, please do some prep for discussions 15:00:23 q+ 15:00:30 q+ to say to present+ yourself 15:00:32 ... Next meeting is going to focus on the draft Work Statement, I am on the process of creating a survey, getting close 15:00:47 q+ Are there any resources about what was said about the European Union and timelines? 15:00:55 ... It will have questions on each of the Work Statement section, please try to complete by the night before the next meeting 15:01:25 MJ: I appreciate everybody's time. We will meet again in a couple of weeks 15:01:27 q+ to more about European Union and timelines 15:01:55 ... Hopefully you all will have a GitHub id and will have linked it to W3C 15:02:05 present+ 15:02:05 Chuck: Please present+ yourselves 15:02:06 present+ 15:02:10 present+ 15:02:11 present+ 15:02:14 present+ 15:02:15 ack Ch 15:02:15 Chuck, you wanted to say to present+ yourself 15:02:16 present+ 15:02:16 present+ 15:02:19 present+ 15:02:20 present+ 15:02:33 s/present+ yourselves/present+ yourselves on IRC to signal that you have attended the meeting 15:02:50 Anastasia: Are there any link that i can have a look at to learn more about the European context? 15:03:25 https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=1202#:~:text=The%20European%20accessibility%20act%20is,EU%20leading%20to%20costs%20reduction 15:03:34 MJ: It is difficult as there are things that there are working on now 15:03:40 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EN_301_549 15:04:03 Mary Jo, can you or dmontalvo deal with the meeting minutes? 15:04:05 can also look for "mandate 376" 15:04:08 rrsagent, make minutes 15:04:08 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/08-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom 15:04:09 I'm late late late for a very important date 15:06:07 s/Mary Jo, can you or dmontalvo deal with the meeting minutes?/ 15:06:19 rrsagent, make minutes 15:06:19 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/08-wcag2ict-minutes.html bruce_bailey_ 15:07:14 s/I'm late late late for a very important date/ 15:07:39 rrsagent, make minutes 15:07:39 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/08-wcag2ict-minutes.html bruce_bailey_ 15:08:18 s/I'm late late late for a very important date// 15:10:15 s/There is a lot/There are a lot/ 15:10:49 s/Hi, is there a link and passcode for this invite? W3C is stating I don't have privileges when following the link off of telecon page// 15:11:06 s/I'm getting Sorry, Insufficient Access Privileges :(// 15:11:19 s/Hi, is there a link and passcode for this invite? W3C is stating I don't have privileges when following the link off of telecon page// 15:11:52 s/+present// 15:12:03 rrsagent, make minutes 15:12:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/08-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom 15:13:33 s/Hi, is there a link and passcode for this invite?// 15:13:40 s/Hi, is there a link and passcode for this invite?// 15:13:50 rrsagent, make minutes 15:13:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/08-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom 15:14:31 s/pudate/update/ 15:14:52 s/ ot/ to/ 15:15:09 rrsagent, make minutes 15:15:09 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/08-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom 15:16:29 s/W3C is stating I don't have privileges when following the link off of telecon page// 15:16:34 s/W3C is stating I don't have privileges when following the link off of telecon page// 15:16:54 s/ ot / to / 15:16:58 s/W3C is stating I don't have privileges when following the link off of telecon page// 15:17:12 rrsagent, make minutes 15:17:12 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/08-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom 15:19:28 s/aninterpretation/an interpretation/ 15:19:59 s/ ont / not / 15:21:13 s/groups/working groups/ 15:21:16 s/groups/working groups/ 15:21:52 s/ na / an / 15:22:50 s/ my partners / Chuck as my partners / 15:23:09 s/MOntalvo/Montalvo/ 15:23:25 s/Decission/Decision/ 15:23:32 s/Decission/Decision/ 15:26:23 s/ 15 / 15th / 15:26:49 s/ the 22 / September 22 / 15:28:07 s/your answers as long whenever your availability changesavailability/your answers whenever your availability changes/ 15:29:45 s/ form disability communities/ from disability communities/ 15:29:58 s/toher/other/ 15:30:26 s/iBM/IBM/ 15:30:47 s/converstaions/conversations/ 15:31:36 s/ ahve/ have/ 15:32:52 s/There is also new/There are also new/ 15:33:00 s/konw/know/ 15:33:12 s/clrearer/clearer/ 15:33:46 s/ghe/the/ 15:33:57 s/TigHub/GitHub/ 15:34:36 s/wll fix all of this for thenext/will fix all of this for the next/ 15:35:13 s/ocntent/content/ 15:35:53 s/homeworkto/homework to/ 15:36:22 s/on the process/in the process/ 15:36:42 s/section/sections/ 15:37:47 s/that there are/that they are/ 15:38:36 s/working on now/working on now, like the standardization request which I'm not sure is publicly available in its final form yet./ 15:38:45 rrsagent, make minutes 15:38:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/08-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom 15:40:07 present+ 15:40:18 rrsagent, make minutes 15:40:18 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/08-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom 15:41:19 Chair: Mary Jo Mueller 15:41:27 rrsagent, make minutes 15:41:27 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/08-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom 15:42:30 zakim, bye 15:42:30 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Chuck, ShawnT, BryanTrogdon, shadi, ChrisLoiselle, present, bruce_bailey_, Judy, lmiller_, GreggVan, AnastasiaLanz, 15:42:30 Zakim has left #wcag2ict 15:42:33 ... FernandaBonnin, olivia-hogan-stark, Devanshu, Sam, CaraHenderson, ThorstenKatzmann, maryjom 15:42:58 agenda? 15:48:29 phildaytest has joined #wcag2ict 15:49:28 AnastasiaLanz has joined #wcag2ict 16:48:39 ShawnT has joined #wcag2ict 17:58:20 ThompsonS has joined #wcag2ict 18:00:54 ThompsonS has joined #wcag2ict