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12:02:49 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
12:02:54 <kaz> chair: McCool
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12:03:00 <kaz> regrets+ Sebastian
12:03:34 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:04:04 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool
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12:04:51 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#31_August_2022
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12:06:14 <kaz> regrets+ Koster
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12:07:12 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima, Daniel_Peintner
12:07:21 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
12:07:21 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Daniel_Peintner
12:07:35 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally
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12:08:17 <mlagally__> scribe nick: mlagally
12:08:18 <kaz> topic: Minutes
12:08:46 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/08/24-wot-minutes.html Aug-24
12:09:04 <mlagally__> mmc: >reviewing the minutes of the previous call>
12:09:18 <kaz> s/>re/<re/
12:09:21 <mlagally__> We have to decide a few issues for TPAC.
12:09:30 <kaz> s/We have/... We have/
12:09:32 <mlagally__> ... need to discuss demos
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12:11:30 <mlagally__> ... suggest to publish
12:11:35 <mlagally__> <no objections>
12:11:47 <mlagally__> topic: quick updates
12:12:00 <mlagally__> ... we successfully completed the rejoin procedure
12:12:15 <mlagally__> ... we got 20 votes, but apparently lost half of our membership
12:12:31 <mlagally__> ... this is concerning, since we need 28 votes to get the new charter accepted
12:12:42 <kaz> q+
12:12:56 <mlagally__> ... there may not be enough support from W3C for the next charter
12:13:22 <mlagally__> kaz: deadline for joining is Sept 11. We should have some reminders before.
12:13:25 <kaz> ack k
12:13:44 <mlagally__> mmc: there may be delays due to vacation. Will send a reminder again
12:14:06 <mlagally__> kaz: every 2-3 weeks an automatic reminder is sent by the W3C Mailserver to AC reps
12:14:18 <mlagally__> mmc: organisations may have left WoT
12:14:26 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
12:14:29 <mlagally__> kaz: let's start with participants in this call
12:14:52 <mlagally__> topic: Cancellations and updates
12:15:26 <mlagally__> ... next week we have "pre-TPAC" meetings, I want to send cancellations on the W3C calendar, however cannot reinstate a cancelled meeting
12:15:57 <mlagally__> ... there's no way to delete an entry, so the calendar shows two entries, one of which is cancelled
12:16:08 <kaz> i/... next/mmc: next/
12:16:09 <mlagally__> ... next week: scripting and discovery is not cancelled
12:16:30 <kaz> i|next week we|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations|
12:16:43 <mlagally__> ... marketing may happen
12:18:49 <kaz> q+
12:19:02 <mlagally__> ml: let's NOT cancel architecture and profile next week
12:19:17 <mlagally__> mmc: everything except TD is not cancelled
12:19:48 <mlagally__> kaz: suggest we not hold the usual WG call when we do the TPAC pre and TPAC meetings
12:20:26 <kaz> s/call/calls/
12:20:46 <mlagally__> mmc: we would have 4 additional hours next week - if testing and TD and main call are cancelled, we have the same number
12:21:05 <kaz> s/meetings/meetings. If really needed, of course we can still hold TF calls, though./
12:21:16 <mlagally__> ... I agree with Kaz that we have to cancel meetings during TPAC
12:22:32 <kaz> s/tough./though. If we really hold ordinary TF calls in addition to pre-TPAC, TPAC and post-TPAC weeks, we should be careful about the agenda for those meetings, and make sure we use the time in a productive manner./
12:22:40 <mlagally__> .topic: zoom vs. WebEx
12:22:49 <kaz> s/.topic:/topic:/
12:22:59 <mlagally__> ... During TPAC we use Zoom, is being allocated now.
12:23:37 <mlagally__> ... next week on Sept 6th accessibility will join us and wants to use Zoom due to some features they need.
12:24:26 <mlagally__> ... all meetings on the pre TPAC, Demo session, post TPAC will be on Zoom.
12:25:14 <kaz> q+
12:25:22 <mlagally__> ... during TPAC I want a resolution whether we go forward with using Zoom
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12:26:17 <mlagally__> kaz: you can use either mechanism before TPAC, at TPAC, after TPAC - we have APA meeting who strongly prefer Zoom
12:26:27 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
12:26:48 <kaz> s/During/mmc: During/
12:26:51 <mlagally__> ... during TPAC Zoom is allocated - we can have further discussions about TF calls later.
12:27:51 <McCool_> proposal: use Zoom for all pre-TPAC, TPAC, and post-TPAC meetings mentioned here:  https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2022
12:27:52 <kaz> s/ - /. However, this time it would be better to use Zoom for the pre-TPAC meeting because /
12:28:07 <kaz> s/during TPAC/during TPAC,/
12:28:35 <kaz> s/Zoom is allocated/Zoom is allocated by the W3C Event Team/
12:29:39 <McCool_> resolution: use Zoom for all pre-TPAC, TPAC, and post-TPAC meetings mentioned here:  https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2022
12:29:45 <kaz> s/before TPAC/for the pre-TPAC/
12:30:00 <kaz> s/at TPAC/TPAC meeting/
12:30:17 <kaz> s/after TPAC/and the post-TPAC/
12:30:25 <mlagally__> topic: Delivery proposals for next charter
12:30:32 <kaz> s/TPAC meeting/the TPAC WoT meeting/
12:30:50 <mlagally__> ... there are no other proposals except the ones that I created
12:31:32 <mlagally__> ... if I don't see other proposals by next Monday, I will ad a few things, e.g. TD 2.0
12:31:51 <kaz> s/... there/mmc: there/
12:32:39 <mlagally__> ... I have created a directory for TPAC - will prepare material for next week
12:33:17 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/main/PRESENTATIONS/2022-09-hybrid-f2f
12:33:33 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/main/proposals/deliverable-proposals
12:33:44 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/978
12:34:17 <mlagally__> ... definitely 2.0 will go there, scripting, ...
12:34:27 <mlagally__> topic: Demos
12:34:31 <kaz> s/ad a/add a/
12:34:58 <mlagally__> mmc: we have a breakout session for demos.
12:35:08 <kaz> rrsagent, make log member
12:35:14 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:35:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:35:23 <mlagally__> ... Mlagally any plans to do sth. together with Siemens?
12:35:32 <mlagally__> mmc: unfortunately no bandwidth
12:35:44 <mlagally__> mmc: NHK plans for a demo
12:36:15 <mlagally__> kaz: Endo-san will present hybrid cast-connect using TD for smart home
12:36:49 <mlagally__> mmc: Toumura-san, are you planning to show your demo?
12:36:52 <mlagally__> kt: yes
12:37:03 <mlagally__> mmc: I also work on a home assistant demo
12:38:03 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:38:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:38:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:38:13 <mlagally__> topic: Publication
12:38:47 <mlagally__> mmc: On the agenda for post TPAC we want to have some resolutions to finalise CR drafts and have a 2 week review period
12:39:10 <mlagally__> ... want to have a resolution for TD
12:39:20 <kaz> s/scribe nick:/scribenick:/
12:39:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:39:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:39:30 <mlagally__> ... TD call is not happening next week
12:39:45 <kaz> s/... we suc/mmc: we suc/
12:39:46 <mlagally__> ... we look into early November for PR transitions
12:39:47 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:39:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:39:59 <mlagally__> ... want to get it done by December
12:40:10 <mlagally__> ... where are we for Architecture?
12:40:45 <kaz> s/quick updates/WoT WG rejoining procedure/
12:40:47 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:40:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:41:48 <kaz> s/... next week/mmc: next week/
12:41:50 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:41:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:42:35 <mlagally__> ml: architecture is pretty stable, need to revisit TAG feedback
12:42:49 <kaz> s/, though./, though. If we really hold ordinary TF calls in addition to pre-TPAC, TPAC and post-TPAC weeks, we should be careful about the agenda for those meetings, and make sure we use the time in a productive manner./
12:42:58 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:43:00 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:43:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:43:04 <mlagally__> topic: Testing
12:44:44 <mlagally__> mmc: Prior to the resolution of the CR transition we have to complete implementation report
12:44:58 <mlagally__> ml: will add Ample report to. tomorro' arch call agenda
12:45:33 <mlagally__> topic OPC-UA
12:46:01 <mlagally__> mmc: Not quite sure if Sept 15 meeting takes place, need to check with Sebastian who is on vacation
12:46:08 <mlagally__> topic DTDL
12:46:15 <mlagally__> mmc: no updates
12:46:28 <kaz> q+
12:46:30 <mlagally__> topic WoT CG
12:46:53 <mlagally__> mmc: need to define marketing / CG responsibilities
12:47:23 <mlagally__> ... need to finalise with a resolution
12:48:05 <mlagally__> kaz: as mentioned on marketing call I'm not confident to invite CG members to marketing TF - This might be perceived as elevating the marketing TF to a steering committee
12:48:46 <mlagally__> mmc: I share this concern, will cancel next week's marketing call. It will be a WoT CG call with WoT CG membership
12:49:06 <mlagally__> ... if Ege wants a joint call, it should be a CG call with marketing members
12:49:54 <mlagally__> kaz: technically this might be possible, but there are different WebEx.
12:50:28 <mlagally__> mmc: I will cancel marketing call, Ege could allocate a new call if he wants a CG call.
12:50:52 <kaz> s/there are different WebEx./they should use another telco coordinate./
12:50:53 <mlagally__> ... unfortunately I can't revert a cancellation.
12:51:05 <mlagally__> topic: TD reports
12:51:08 <mlagally__> date: no call
12:51:15 <mlagally__> s/date/dape/
12:51:57 <mlagally__> mmc: we cleaned up 6 MRs in discovery, still 16 issues need to be resolved. We allocate 2 hours, need to clean up normative assertions.
12:52:17 <kaz> s/TD reports/TF reports/
12:52:23 <kaz> i/no call/subtopic: Scripting API/
12:52:35 <kaz> i/cleaned/subtopic: Discovery/
12:52:43 <mlagally__> ... DNS-SD registration may have some spec ambiguity, need to read details.
12:55:18 <kaz> subtopic: Profile
12:55:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:55:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:57:08 <mlagally__> ... no marketing, no testing, no TF, architecture
12:57:45 <kaz> s/no TF/no TD/
12:58:24 <mlagally__> ml: Good progress on Profile, we approved 6 MRs, 5-6 others are available and changes are requested. Hope to resolve in call next week.
12:58:35 <kaz> s/subtopic: Profile//
12:58:41 <kaz> i/Good/subtopic: Profile/
12:58:55 <mlagally__> ml: will provide a MR with the reduced scope for Profile 1.0
12:59:27 <mlagally__> mmc: we will need to decide on next steps during the profile  session on TPAC
12:59:52 <mlagally__> mmc: let's close this call.
13:00:30 <kaz> i/let's/topic: Zoom calls for Pre and Post TPAC meetings/
13:00:31 <mlagally__> ... Will open testing call in 10 mins
13:02:02 <kaz> i/let's/mmc: Kaz will allocate Zoom calls and I'll send out calendar invites. Please let me know if your TF have TF calls during the Pre-TPAC, TPAC and post-TPAC meeting weeks, since I can't un-cancel the cancellation of the TF calls./
13:02:12 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:02:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:02:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:03:18 <kaz> s/topic OPC-UA/topic: OPC-UA/
13:03:25 <kaz> s/topic DTDL/topic: DTDL/
13:03:33 <kaz> s/topic WoT CG/topic: WoT-CG/
13:03:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:03:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:04:22 <kaz> i/Kaz will all/scribenick: kaz/
13:04:42 <kaz> i/let's close/scribenick: mlagally__/
13:04:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:04:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-wot-minutes.html kaz