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12:43:47 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
12:44:08 <janina> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures (APA) Weekly Teleconference
12:44:15 <janina> Date: 31 Aug 2022
12:44:51 <janina> Chair:  Janina
12:44:51 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
12:44:51 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
12:44:54 <janina> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
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12:44:57 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
12:45:00 <janina> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
12:45:03 <janina> agenda+ TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022
12:45:05 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
12:45:08 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
12:45:10 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
12:45:13 <janina> agenda+ be done
12:46:15 <janina>  /join #rqtf
12:46:22 <janina> zakim, who's here?
12:46:22 <Zakim> Present: Matthew_Atkinson, Fredrik, Joshue, Roy, alii, janina, mike_beganyi
12:46:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see kirkwood, RRSAgent, MichaelC, Roy_, janina, Zakim, spectranaut, tink, ZoeBijl, Rachael, jcraig, cwilso, Joshue108, dmontalvo, slightlyoff, Mike5Matrix, Github,
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13:48:39 <janina> agenda?
13:54:51 <janina> present+
13:54:56 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:54:56 <Zakim> Present: Matthew_Atkinson, Fredrik, Joshue, Roy, alii, janina, mike_beganyi
13:54:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see becky, RRSAgent, MichaelC, Roy_, janina, Zakim, spectranaut, tink, ZoeBijl, Rachael, jcraig, cwilso, Joshue108, dmontalvo, slightlyoff, Mike5Matrix, Github, florian,
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14:04:31 <PaulG> present+
14:04:44 <PaulG> (I can't scribe today, I need to leave at the bottom of the hour)
14:05:22 <Matthew_Atkinson> scribe+ Matthew_Atkinson
14:05:56 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, next item
14:05:56 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
14:06:13 <niklasegger> present+
14:06:17 <nadine> present+
14:07:14 <janina> zakim, who's here?
14:07:14 <Zakim> Present: Matthew_Atkinson, Fredrik, Joshue, Roy, alii, janina, mike_beganyi, Alisa_Smith, PaulG, niklasegger, nadine
14:07:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see PaulG, Fredrik, nadine, Alisa_Smith, Matthew_Atkinson, niklasegger, becky, RRSAgent, MichaelC, Roy, janina, Zakim, spectranaut, tink, ZoeBijl, Rachael, jcraig, cwilso,
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14:15:27 <janina> zakim, who's here?
14:15:27 <Zakim> Present: Matthew_Atkinson, Fredrik, Joshue, Roy, alii, janina, mike_beganyi, Alisa_Smith, PaulG, niklasegger, nadine, irfan_ali
14:15:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see irfan_ali, mike_beganyi, PaulG, Fredrik, nadine, Alisa_Smith, Matthew_Atkinson, niklasegger, becky, RRSAgent, MichaelC, Roy, janina, Zakim, spectranaut, tink, ZoeBijl,
14:15:29 <Zakim> ... Rachael, jcraig, cwilso, Joshue108, dmontalvo, slightlyoff, Mike5Matrix, Github, florian, ada, trackbot
14:19:25 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, next item
14:19:25 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
14:19:39 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, close this item
14:19:39 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
14:19:40 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:19:40 <Zakim> 3. A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from janina]
14:20:24 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, take up item 2
14:20:24 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
14:20:37 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We communicated the results of our discussion to AG chairs.
14:21:34 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: They may not yet have had time to respond; they are likely busy publishing their CR before the moratorium (they can do this even with our objection), and planning TPAC.
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14:22:33 <Matthew_Atkinson> s/our discussion to/our discussion about "sometimes" to/
14:22:42 <Joshue108> present+
14:22:54 <Matthew_Atkinson> s/respond; they/respond about removing "sometimes"; they/
14:24:11 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Regarding the charter: the existing charter was extended; management approved the proposed charter and forwarded to the AC for their decision.
14:24:15 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, next item
14:24:15 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
14:24:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, close this item
14:24:19 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
14:24:20 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:24:20 <Zakim> 4. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
14:24:21 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, next item
14:24:22 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
14:24:23 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, close this item
14:24:23 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
14:24:24 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:24:24 <Zakim> 5. Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned [from janina]
14:24:26 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, next item
14:24:26 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from janina]
14:24:29 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, close this item
14:24:29 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
14:24:30 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, next item
14:24:30 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:24:30 <Zakim> 6. TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 [from janina]
14:24:30 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 -- taken up [from janina]
14:25:23 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: The wiki page is now almost complete. We've been busy on your behalf. We have all except 2 meetings scheduled (we're waiting to hear from i18n and the TAG).
14:25:59 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: On Tuesday afternoon there's the opportunity for Spoken Presentation to respond to ARIA. PaulG, irfan_ali: please put a pointer to the TF's document in the wiki.
14:26:26 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We aim to get closer to a solution after discussion with ARIA.
14:26:43 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: On Thursday, Dan Burnett will be joining us virtually, to take up an SSML questions.
14:27:26 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... Also on the call will be Debbie Dahl who worked on Emotional Markup Language (EML) some time back. Debbie's given us a code snippet that I am to share.
14:27:46 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... The questions about indicating gender, age, and emotions of voice can be addressed by this.
14:28:00 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... (At the markup level at least.)
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14:28:46 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... Still hoping to get a meeting with i18n; we'll keep trying. Think they're busy/on long vacation.
14:28:54 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... We're waiting to hear from the TAG on other issues.
14:29:01 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:29:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:29:40 <Matthew_Atkinson> PaulG: I will be prepping for the meeting over the next couple of weeks. We have a Google Doc I started; I'll go amend it and post as wiki page (for accessibility) for irfan_ali to review.
14:30:22 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Let's walk through the wiki...
14:30:47 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: Web of Things Accessibility
14:31:02 <Matthew_Atkinson> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#Web_of_Things_Accessibility
14:31:16 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: This is actually _before_ TPAC (in RQTF's slot, before this one, next week).
14:32:13 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: They're using WebEx but Zoom is better for accessibility. We will dial in. Our main question for WoT...
14:32:41 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... we need to put accessibility into the full stack "works with [voice assistant]" isn't true in practice if the 'configure it to work with X' part is not accessible.
14:33:01 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... What do you do when a device loses connection to the environment? What if it's inaccessible to reset?
14:33:53 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... We have lots of issues here and need to make sure they get documented and included in product requirements and documentation/packaging.
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14:34:29 <Lionel> Q?
14:34:33 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: AGWG and APA Joint Meeting
14:34:49 <Lionel> present+
14:34:49 <Matthew_Atkinson> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#AGWG_and_APA_Joint_Meeting
14:34:59 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We'll be joining AGWG (and COGA) for the whole morning on Monday.
14:35:25 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... The first slot is on Functional Needs. Then a break, then...
14:35:42 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: AGWG and APA Joint Meeting (with COGA)
14:35:52 <Matthew_Atkinson> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#AGWG_and_APA_Joint_Meeting_2
14:36:07 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: APA & Web Performance Joint Meeting
14:36:12 <Matthew_Atkinson> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#APA_.26_Web_Performance_Joint_Meeting
14:36:20 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: This is about the Reporting API. Check the wiki for questions.
14:36:25 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:36:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:36:53 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We think this could provide many interesting applications over time; want to find out how it works and what we can expect from it.
14:37:06 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: Coordinating comment guidance and WG participation responsibility (APA Hosted Discussion)
14:37:13 <Matthew_Atkinson> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#Coordinating_comment_guidance_and_WG_participation_responsibility_.28APA_Hosted_Discussion.29
14:37:24 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: APA-hosted discussion on how best to get comments on our published documents.
14:37:45 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We often get inaccessible (to us) submissions. Things not separated into discrete issues, or in inaccessible formats.
14:38:20 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We had a discussion on the last WAI coordination call about not just how to accommodate people's access needs (something we're always working to expand) but also the responsibilities of others to work collaboratively with us.
14:38:56 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We may want to update the Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct (CEPC) [pleaes read it; we've all agreed to it]
14:39:29 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: Spoken Presentation (APA Task Force)
14:39:33 <Matthew_Atkinson> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#Spoken_Presentation_.28APA_Task_Force.29
14:39:37 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: as discussed above
14:40:16 <Matthew_Atkinson> Oops; link above was wrong; the first ARIA meeting is: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#ARIA_.26_APA_Joint_Meeting
14:40:45 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: APA & WHAT-WG Open Issues Joint Meeting
14:40:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#APA_.26_WHAT-WG_Open_Issues_Joint_Meeting
14:41:03 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: A couple of issues here; Adapt and also others such as notifications.
14:41:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: APA & Publishing Joint Meeting
14:41:25 <Matthew_Atkinson> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#APA_.26_Publishing_Joint_Meeting
14:41:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Uncomon to have an 8am meeting, but we wish to include those around the globe.
14:41:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Lots of agenda to cover here (check the wiki).
14:42:10 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: Real-Time Communications & APA Joint Meeting
14:42:17 <Matthew_Atkinson> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#Real-Time_Communications_.26_APA_Joint_Meeting
14:42:57 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We want to ensure that this continues to be an accessible environemnt. We are listening to find out what they're working on. We may raise some concerns if any arise. They don't have any specific issues.
14:43:16 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel: How does this overlap with virtual meetings?
14:43:23 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: They're one and the same.
14:43:37 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:43:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:43:51 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: CSS & APA Joint Meeting
14:43:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#CSS_.26_APA_Joint_Meeting
14:44:03 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Our standing meeting with CSS. Lots to cover!
14:44:23 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel: Do we have that we're seeking a representative?
14:44:25 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Yes
14:44:49 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: APA & Verifiable Credentials Joint Meeting
14:44:53 <Matthew_Atkinson> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#APA_.26_Verifiable_Credentials_Joint_Meeting
14:45:11 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We're seeing a lot of opportunities here, with tech that's been in devleopment for a decade, and is now making it to production.
14:45:34 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We want to introduce our thinking and test the temperature. We want to move slowly, but see lots of opportunity for building on their work.
14:46:12 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel: Our interest is in privacy-preserving profiles. VC's work has been designed to preserve privacy; we're very excited by this!
14:46:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:46:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:46:30 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: Timed-Text & APA Joint Meeting
14:46:35 <Matthew_Atkinson> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#Timed-Text_.26_APA_Joint_Meeting
14:47:03 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We've just had this accepted; they see the need for us to work with them on getting this published.
14:47:24 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: Spoken Presentation (APA Task Force)
14:47:28 <Matthew_Atkinson> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#Spoken_Presentation_.28APA_Task_Force.29
14:47:40 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: SSML and EML, as discussed.
14:48:21 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:48:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
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14:50:08 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Note: "Spoken Presentation" is the official name for the TF; "Pronunciation" is how we refer to it informally.
14:50:16 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: ARIA & APA Joint Meeting
14:50:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#ARIA_.26_APA_Joint_Meeting_2
14:50:40 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: This is Adapt-focused. We have a couple of issues arising from Adapt, and ARIA has an issue for which Adapt may be a solution (decorative images). Check the wiki for agenda.
14:50:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: Unscheduled meetings
14:51:32 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: As above, we want to talk with i18n and Technical Advisory Group (TAG) [important when advancing normative specificaitons, such as the Adapt Candidate Recommendation's eventual goal].
14:51:40 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:51:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:52:13 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda?
14:52:23 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, take up item 8
14:52:23 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]
14:52:34 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We have a few documents awaiting publication from TFs.
14:53:18 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: APA has given the TFs standing authority to update working drafts (WDs), so RQTF's resolution is sufficient to proceed with publication.
14:54:13 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Note that we would absolutely need management and APA approval on First Public Working Drafts (FPWD), Candidate Recommendation (CR) and above. But we allow our Task Forces (TFs) to publish updated Working Drafts (WDs) on their own.
14:54:21 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, next item
14:54:21 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 -- taken up [from janina]
14:54:31 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, take up item 9
14:54:31 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Other Business -- taken up [from janina]
14:54:38 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, take up item 10
14:54:38 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- be done -- taken up [from janina]
14:55:25 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Welcome again to Harry; well done everyone. We will meet next week as normal, and at TPAC as above, but no APA call the week after TPAC.
14:55:31 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:55:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
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