IRC log of wcag3-equity on 2022-08-29

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jeanne
11:45:34 [jeanne]
Meeting: WCAG3 Equity Subgroup
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present:
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chair: Janina, jeanne
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present+
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zakim, clear agenda
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/29-wcag3-equity-minutes.html jeanne
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q?
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=== Conformance ===
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agenda cleared
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zakim, start meeting
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11:45:39 [jeanne]
Meeting: Silver Conformance Subgroup
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present:
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chair: sajkaj
11:45:40 [Zakim]
please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jeanne
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present+
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zakim, clear agenda
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/29-wcag3-equity-minutes.html jeanne
11:45:40 [Zakim]
agenda cleared
11:48:04 [jeanne]
agenda+ Review feedback from AGWG meeting
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agenda+ Review PR for the Requirements document
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present+
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agenda?
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12:02:55 [jeanne]
zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1 -- Review feedback from AGWG meeting -- taken up [from jeanne]
12:02:58 [MichaelC]
present+
12:03:08 [janina]
present+
12:03:15 [laura]
scribe: Laura
12:04:18 [laura]
jannina: glad we went first at ag meeting.
12:04:37 [laura]
... jeanne did a great job. Very happy.
12:04:52 [janina]
q?
12:05:52 [laura]
... wilco was off topic on measurablity.
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jen: he is on tesitng sub group an that may have had an impact.
12:07:09 [laura]
... people are imperfect.
12:07:58 [laura]
... may be suck in testing.
12:08:35 [laura]
mc: not feedback from that meeting.
12:09:07 [jenniferS]
q+
12:09:16 [MichaelC]
q+
12:09:25 [laura]
jeanna: How will this play at TPAC? Ideas on hoe to move forward.
12:09:26 [janina]
ack jen
12:09:43 [laura]
jen: be stratigec in how er convey it.
12:10:13 [laura]
... thnings may become possible even if they are not possible today.
12:10:31 [janina]
q+
12:11:07 [laura]
... we should always be aiming for equity in your outcomes.
12:11:16 [laura]
... some of this is hard.
12:11:23 [jeanne]
q+ to say to inlcude "avoid prioritization by functional need" - recommend prioritize by context
12:11:34 [laura]
... technology takes time.
12:11:37 [janina]
ack mi
12:12:07 [laura]
mc: pull request is a big part of how this will land in AG.
12:12:28 [laura]
... maybe show the PR and the explain.
12:12:39 [laura]
... we need to be actionable.
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... both in guidlines and process.
12:13:11 [MichaelC]
ack me
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ack ja
12:14:33 [laura]
janina: some things may be unlikely. May need to take them to the lab.
12:14:55 [laura]
... Need to be practical and actionable.
12:15:08 [MichaelC]
q+ to say making unknowns known is an action - but not the first one
12:15:11 [jenniferS]
q+
12:15:12 [janina]
ack ja
12:15:17 [laura]
... document things.
12:15:21 [jeanne]
ack je
12:15:25 [janina]
ack je
12:15:25 [Zakim]
jeanne, you wanted to say to inlcude "avoid prioritization by functional need" - recommend prioritize by context
12:15:53 [laura]
jeanne: would like to avoid priority by funtional need.
12:16:12 [jenniferS]
Can you provide an example of what that would look like, Jeanne?
12:16:17 [MichaelC]
ack me
12:16:17 [Zakim]
MichaelC, you wanted to say making unknowns known is an action - but not the first one
12:16:20 [janina]
ack mi
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q?
12:16:42 [jenniferS]
where did I go?
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1+
12:16:49 [laura]
MC: level of detailthat is too much for this PR
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q+
12:17:02 [laura]
... focus on actionable stepss
12:17:52 [laura]
... if equity needs to be a cyiclical process if we are to be taken seriously.
12:18:04 [janina]
ack je
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... start with what we got.
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jen: example of don't do this.
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jeanne: A, AA, AAA
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q?
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mc: A, AA, AAA not intentionally inequiable but it worked out that way.
12:20:03 [jeanne]
zakim, take up next
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agendum 2 -- Review PR for the Requirements document -- taken up [from jeanne]
12:20:15 [MichaelC]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/silver/equity-proposal/requirements/index.html#equity
12:20:20 [laura]
zakim, next item
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agendum 2 was just opened, laura
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mc: starts with editors notes
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... (Reads PR)
12:22:14 [jenniferS]
"relevant user groups" — may need some explanation, could attract ire
12:22:36 [janina]
q?
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q?
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q+
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ack je
12:26:00 [laura]
jen: "relevant user groups" — may need some explanation, could attract ire
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MC: suggestion for a different word?
12:26:39 [jeanne]
q+ to say that I like it, Issue Severity proposal is heading toward priority by Functional Need. That's why I think we need it for TPAC.
12:27:18 [laura]
jen: accessibility specific?
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MC: yes.
12:27:55 [laura]
(group wordsmithing)
12:28:26 [laura]
jen: that's good.
12:28:41 [jenniferS]
That's good enough! The word "relevant" was the one I worried about.
12:28:46 [janina]
ack jea
12:28:46 [Zakim]
jeanne, you wanted to say that I like it, Issue Severity proposal is heading toward priority by Functional Need. That's why I think we need it for TPAC.
12:29:10 [laura]
jeanne: like what you have done.
12:29:32 [MichaelC]
q+
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ack mi
12:29:54 [laura]
... concerned that issue severity is heading in in conflict with equity.
12:30:24 [laura]
mc: may want to come up with some measurements in the next 6 months.
12:30:34 [jeanne]
+1 for a six month project, not 1 week
12:31:07 [laura]
... where structual equities may exist, etcc.
12:31:14 [janina]
q?
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... will be n acive work item job.
12:31:42 [jenniferS]
No objection here with the one edit. Thank you for the work on this!
12:32:08 [laura]
MC: what is the next step?
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janina: not sure.
12:34:00 [janina]
+1 from Jeanne (only on phone)
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Laura: +1
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+1
12:34:05 [jenniferS]
+1
12:34:26 [laura]
RESOLUTION: accept PR 654 https://github.com/w3c/silver/pull/654 as a proposal to the WG
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mc: will sent to the chairs.
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... equity is on the agenda at 1PM at TPAC.
12:36:20 [jenniferS]
Thank you Michael!
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/29-wcag3-equity-minutes.html laura
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s/measurablity/measurability/
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s/tesitng /testing /
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s/an that /and that /
12:41:28 [Cyborg]
can't find zoom call today...
12:42:10 [laura]
the meeting just ended
12:42:33 [Cyborg]
oh...any way to catch up on what i missed?
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I will be sending out the minutes.
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s/guidlines /guidelines /
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s/stratigec in how er /strategic in how we /
12:44:40 [Cyborg]
it seems to still be going?
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I am fixing typos in irc
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s/thnings /thnings/
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s/funtional /functional /
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s/level of detailthat /that level of detail
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s/stepss/steps/
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s/cyiclical /cyclical /
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s/example/ It there an example/
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s/inequiable /inequitable /
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s/structual /structural /
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s/, etcc./, etc./
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s/will be n acive /will be an active /
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s/thningsmay become /thnings may become /
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s/thnings/things/
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s/guidlines /guidelines /
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s/level of detailthat /that level of detail /
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s/at 1PM /Monday at 1PM /
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s/not feedback/no specific feedback/
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s/hoe to/how to/
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/29-wcag3-equity-minutes.html laura
13:05:16 [laura]
zakim, end meeting
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As of this point the attendees have been jeanne, jenniferS, MichaelC, janina, Laura_Carlson
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I am happy to have been of service, laura; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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