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12:45:52 <trackbot> Meeting: WAI Adapt Task Force Teleconference
12:45:52 <trackbot> Date: 29 August 2022
12:53:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
12:53:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
12:53:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> Chair: Lionel
12:54:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> Chair: Lionel_Wolberger
12:54:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Reminder: TPAC is here, are you coming? Next meeting 26 Sept. 3 weeks off.
12:54:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ TPAC Prep status (TAG, COGA, others?)
12:54:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Conformance RFC 2119 PR
12:54:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Explainer regarding @rel vs. purpose/destination/action
12:54:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Exit criteria status
12:55:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ BCI Registry Spec Status. Draft ready?
12:55:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Respond to issue #203 (JS)
12:55:19 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/203 : Unclear how the Bliss symbol examples should work with i10n/i18n.
12:55:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Content Module Implementations Status, focus on new candidates
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13:55:00 <janina> agenda?
13:55:04 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/203 : Unclear how the Bliss symbol examples should work with i10n/i18n.
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14:02:50 <mike_beganyi> present+
14:03:00 <Roy> agenda?
14:03:05 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/203 : Unclear how the Bliss symbol examples should work with i10n/i18n.
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14:03:36 <Roy> present+
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14:04:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
14:04:05 <becky> present+
14:04:09 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/203 : Unclear how the Bliss symbol examples should work with i10n/i18n.
14:04:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:04:37 <CharlesL> present+
14:04:41 <becky> scribe: becky
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14:04:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
14:04:49 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda?
14:04:53 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/203 : Unclear how the Bliss symbol examples should work with i10n/i18n.
14:04:54 <becky> zakim, next item
14:04:54 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Reminder: TPAC is here, are you coming? Next meeting 26 Sept. 3 weeks off. -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:04:58 <janina> present+
14:05:17 <CharlesL> I am also going
14:05:34 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger : TPAC serveral people are going, myself, Matthew, Janina, anyone else?
14:05:42 <becky> CharlesL : is going to TPAC
14:06:06 <janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022
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14:06:21 <JF> Present+
14:08:03 <becky> janina:  above is the master page with 2-3 Adapt related activities on the calendar; There is a proposed breakout on Tuesday (not fully confirmed). First Adapt meeting is with Anna K. on behalf of WHATWG. Need to request a reserved prefix for Adapt.
14:08:49 <becky> s/breakout/meeting
14:09:33 <becky> janina:  there is a breakout on Wednesday; an early meeting on Tuesday morning with Epub
14:09:51 <CharlesL> q+
14:10:21 <becky> s/Tuesday/Thursday
14:10:29 <Matthew_Atkinson> Tuesday: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#WHAT-WG_Open_Issues
14:10:39 <Matthew_Atkinson> Thursday: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#Publishing
14:11:05 <Matthew_Atkinson> Also Thursday: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#CSS
14:11:05 <becky> janina: meeting review:  Wednesday breakout; Tuesday (proposed) with Anna K; Thursday early morning with EPUB
14:11:45 <Matthew_Atkinson> Proposed breakout: https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2022/SessionIdeas#WAI-Adapt_Candidate_Recommendation_of_Content_Module_1.0:_Overview
14:11:46 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson :  pointers above and meetings are correct on the wiki page
14:11:50 <CharlesL> ack
14:11:53 <CharlesL> ack me
14:12:03 <becky> janina : 2 topics to discuss with ARIA on Friday morning
14:12:13 <Matthew_Atkinson> Friday: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#ARIA_.2B_APA.2FAdapt
14:13:19 <becky> janina : our use cases are looking for a smarter live region - mostly about timing, for example reminding of timeout more often during the last few minutes before timout occurs;
14:13:54 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:13:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/29-adapt-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:14:15 <becky> janina : ARIA has a request for hiding decorative images, they want to cooperate with Adapt on hiding decorative images;
14:15:03 <becky> janina : during CR we are looking for content to show support for our attributes and AT that can support;  Many reasons for Adapt folks to attend this meeting.
14:15:24 <CharlesL> agenda?
14:15:25 <becky> zakim, next item
14:15:28 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC Prep status (TAG, COGA, others?) -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:15:29 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/203 : Unclear how the Bliss symbol examples should work with i10n/i18n.
14:15:58 <becky> janina:  meeting with TAG is still not scheduled, I am escalating getting this scheduled
14:15:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:16:09 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
14:16:37 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger : I wrote to COGA with agenda for a meeting, was asked to propose a time
14:17:15 <becky> janina : it is still not clear that COGA folks are attending; believe we don't necessarily need an in person meeting
14:17:47 <becky> janina: COGA folks aren't registered;
14:18:51 <becky> janina: requested 5 attendees
14:20:01 <becky> MichaelC : there is a cost issue associated of having an in person meeting so if we don't have enough people we need to schedule as remote meeting
14:21:07 <becky> janina : check wiki of APA meetings, not sure where we would schedule COGA.  Scheduling with TAG is most important as it is an action oriented meeting.
14:21:45 <janina> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2022/SessionIdeas#Accessibility_at_the_Edge
14:22:10 <becky> janina: above is the entire list of breakouts
14:22:25 <becky> janina: times have not been assigned, yet
14:22:36 <becky> rrsagent, make minutes
14:22:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/29-adapt-minutes.html becky
14:23:48 <becky> Janina:  Thursday meeting at TPAC with CSS also
14:25:08 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : CSS has suggested that we can use  media queries to accomplish some of the Adapt change
14:27:50 <JF> Q+
14:28:42 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : I have created a sample page - link available on list. Demonstrated live during the meeting. Demo is to show that can't get rid of all distractions equally using media-queries.  You can get rid of most moving content using media-queries but Adapt allows more fine-grained controls.  Can get rid of distraction of moving via css media queries. But, we can add more simplification
14:29:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:29:14 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : can people think of things we can't control via distractions
14:29:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack Matthew_Atkinson
14:29:43 <becky> JF:  does prefers reduced motion refer to the entire page?
14:30:59 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : yes, prefers reduced motion is page level but can narrow it down to the element level as well. HTML picture element has good support for prefers reduced motion
14:32:01 <becky> JF: curious how many content devs. are actually using HTML picture element; We have had concerns about serving mulitple images - if there a way to provide different alt text.
14:32:32 <becky> JF: steve faulkner was doing some research about content and element usage, maybe he could help?
14:33:03 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : agree, we need a way to determine how often HTML picture element is used
14:33:25 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : also wonder if web almanac would have data
14:33:44 <JF> ack me
14:33:48 <becky> janina: best interface to implementors are TAG, Anna K, and CSS
14:35:02 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : elements moving within a 3rd party content iframe wouldn't work.  Am looking for other examples where media queries will not work to stop moving distractions
14:35:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:35:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> Dispositive - such that it disposes (of some of our claims)
14:36:52 <becky> janina: I think we may find that media queries does a good job with distraction and there is overlap with Adapt; Need to discuss whether or not we still need adapt distraction - really want a discussion about this rather than a cut and dried decision based on demo;
14:37:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:38:01 <becky> janina:  addition of prefers reduced motion was made by previous iteration of APA group; We need to consider where we will get better uptake / implementation
14:38:49 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger : another possible example:  dialogs that shake/move if there are errors within it
14:39:51 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson :  media-queries would handle that one (dialogs shaking)
14:40:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> FYI Shaking password text field, http://www.gamesforgeeks.com/2017/11/creating-a-shaking-password-text-field/
14:42:33 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger : thanks Matthew for the exmaple
14:42:37 <becky> zakim, next item
14:42:37 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Conformance RFC 2119 PR -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:43:45 <Matthew_Atkinson> PR (now merged): https://github.com/w3c/adapt/pull/218
14:44:43 <JF> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2119
14:44:44 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger : Adding conformance requirements and exit criteria to our spec; CfC ends tonight
14:45:13 <JF> actual source: https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt
14:45:34 <Matthew_Atkinson> https://w3c.github.io/adapt/content/#conformance
14:46:17 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger : we have added section 3 for conformance (reads out loud) see link above.
14:47:17 <becky> zakim, next item
14:47:17 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Explainer regarding @rel vs. purpose/destination/action -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:47:54 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger : discussed the differences and will write an explainer. Will this be a stand alone or part of an existing explainer?
14:48:45 <becky> janina :  believe we will add to existing explainer;  this topic does come up often
14:48:53 <CharlesL> q+
14:49:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> The explainer is here, https://www.w3.org/TR/adapt/
14:49:42 <becky> CharlesL : there is only one may and one must in the entire document. This is the section on the bliss symbol set, that seems odd to me
14:50:12 <becky> janina : need to tell implementor community what they  must do and what they might ignore
14:52:40 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : we are looking for 2 independent implementations; but we need to understand that an implementor is not likely to implement the entire spec.  But if do implement some, it must be fully scoped.
14:52:47 <becky> rrsagent, make minutes
14:52:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/29-adapt-minutes.html becky
14:53:11 <becky> zakim, next item
14:53:11 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, becky
14:53:17 <CharlesL> q?
14:53:19 <CharlesL> ack me
14:53:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:53:26 <becky> zakim, next item
14:53:26 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Exit criteria status -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:53:53 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger : are there open issues for exit criteria?
14:53:59 <becky> rrsagent, make minutes
14:53:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/29-adapt-minutes.html becky
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14:54:31 <becky> zakim, bye
14:54:31 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been mike_beganyi, Roy, becky, Lionel_Wolberger, CharlesL, Matthew_Atkinson, janina, JF
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14:54:38 <becky> rrsagent, bye
14:54:38 <RRSAgent> I see no action items