IRC log of miniapp on 2022-08-25

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Meeting: MiniApps WG Teleconference
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present+ Dan_Zhou
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Topic: TPAC
12:03:22 [xiaoqian]
https://tpac2022-china-hub.netlify.app/#/miniapp
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12:04:16 [tomayac]
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12:04:40 [xiaoqian]
xfq: the detail agenda is not ready yet
12:05:11 [xiaoqian]
... first part is the Hackathon for MiniApps specs
12:05:37 [xiaoqian]
... second part is the MiniApps WG meeting, specs status and plan
12:05:57 [xiaoqian]
... third part is the CG meeting, a few proposals
12:06:14 [xiaoqian]
... 3 talks, one from the Taro team of JD.com
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... another one from Dingdao, about Manifest
12:06:49 [xiaoqian]
... the last one is from GeekTech, about MiniApps on Desktop
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... one more from Microsoft, about PWA and MiniApps
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zitao: @@
12:08:11 [xiaoqian]
[explain the MiniApps Frameworks and specs]
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... it would be great if we can show the architect of a miniapp framework in the Hackathon
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... JD Taro can be an example
12:09:37 [xiaoqian]
... but we need to think about the next steps
12:10:01 [xiaoqian]
... do you think this is should be part of the Hackathon or the CG meeting?
12:10:12 [xiaoqian]
s/this is/this
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dan: what's the plan for the WG meeting?
12:11:49 [xiaoqian]
zitao: I think the testbed project is one of the important steps of our specs development
12:12:01 [xiaoqian]
... we can Cfp in this meeting
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... we are also looking for speakers from other vendors
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... Qing An can introduce MiniApp on Cars
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... we can also introduce our polypill project in the Hackathon
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... the joint project of the Huawei, Baidu and Alibaba
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... to show support from these 3 vendors
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12:20:26 [xfq]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues/194
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xiaoqian: I have a question for martin and tomayac
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... I wonder if you'd like to join the WG meeting
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... and if so, do you need multi-language support?
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martin: if I can, I'd be glad to join
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xiaoqian: the Hackathon is in the morning, which isn't an ideal time for you
12:23:14 [xfq]
... but you can join the WG and CG meetings
12:23:20 [tomayac]
Time permitting (and given translation), I'd be happy to attend, too. Likewise, I'd be interested in reading the summary.
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Topic: Lifecycle
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qing: lifecycle has completed privacy, a11y, and i18n review
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... i'm working on addressing the comments
12:25:21 [xfq]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/issues/32
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qing: i've looked at other lifecycle specs
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... but didn't see a11y related text
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... will work with PING
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... to address this issue
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https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/issues/31
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qing: simple one
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... will try to provide more detailed explanations
12:27:28 [xfq]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/issues/30
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qing: I've sent a PR
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... I have discussed this issue with Xiaomi
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... and PING made a similar comment
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... I'm trying to use events instead of callbacks
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... still need time to evaluate if the PR satisfies the requirements
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... Page Lifecycle also uses addEventListener instead of callbacks
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dan: thanks
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... any comments?
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qing: if would be good if you and zitao can review it
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zitao: will do
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dan: ok
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Topic: Manifest
12:32:35 [martin]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/43
12:33:16 [xfq]
martin: this issue is about the alignment of MiniApp's app_id and Web App Manifest's id member
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... raised by tomayac
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... I already raised an issue against WAM
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... MiniApps don't have document URLs because it's distributed in multiple ways
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... it's still open
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... IMO if we can adopt the id from WAM it would be great
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... but no news so far
12:35:01 [martin]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/54
12:35:18 [xfq]
martin: this is something I can do
12:35:55 [martin]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/55
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... based on the text in the white paper
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martin: PING is asking how to validate / verify app_id
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... I will work on this issue
12:36:48 [martin]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/56
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martin: this is also from PING
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... asking for clarification on "sessions"
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... if you have any comments feel free to comment on the issue
12:38:23 [martin]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/57
12:38:32 [xfq]
martin: this issue is raised by tomayac
12:39:01 [tomayac]
(Noting that there's no accepted solution yet, so having mini app requirements be part of the discussion would be very much welcome!)
12:39:03 [xfq]
... similar to #43
12:39:04 [Github]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/issues/3 : Discussion of page configuration file
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... if we can do it, we're happy to align with WAM
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martin: no new PRs or commits this month
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dan: maybe we can clarify the relationship in the explainer
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martin: yes, and add notes to the spec
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Topic: Packaging
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martin: wide review has started
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... I know we will get some comments
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... because we're missing an important part of the packaging
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... the "content" of the miniapp
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... HTML/CSS/JS
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... so far I've included some "placeholders"
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https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/issues/30
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Topic: Testing
12:45:01 [xfq]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-tests
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[martin introduces the structure of a test]
12:48:34 [xfq]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-tests/issues/7
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martin: xfq raised an issue about how to run the tests
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... I wrote some information on how to write tests and generate reports
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... I created some tests about manifest, packaging, and lifecycle
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... feel free to try it
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... so far we cannot test the MiniApps, but hopefully we can test them in the near future
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... using the conversion tool or whatever
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... the .ma files are the packages themselves
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... please have a look
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Topic: Addressing
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dan: no progress
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Topic: Widget
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xiaoping: updated the PR a bit, nothing worth mentioning
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... can talk about it in next month's TPAC
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dan: next meeting is tpac
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