14:53:37 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #wai-curricula
14:53:37 <RRSAgent> logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/08/23-wai-curricula-irc
14:53:39 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
14:53:40 <Zakim> Meeting: WAI Curricula Task Force Teleconference
14:54:37 <dmontalvo> Regrets: Brent, Estella, Sarah
14:54:43 <dmontalvo> Chair: Daniel
14:54:48 <dmontalvo> present+ Daniel
15:02:46 <BrianE> BrianE has joined #wai-curricula
15:07:20 <Howard> Howard has joined #wai-curricula
15:07:29 <Howard> present+ Howard
15:07:31 <dmontalvo> zakim, take up item 2
15:07:31 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Rewriting Topic Visual Appearance https://content-author-modules--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/content-author-modules/clear-content/#topic-visual-appearance --
15:07:32 <BrianE> present+
15:07:34 <Zakim> ... taken up [from dmontalvo]
15:12:39 <dmontalvo> https://wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/content-author-modules/clear-content/#topic-visual-appearance
15:15:40 <dmontalvo> Brian: Maybe move "grouping" to the end
15:15:47 <dmontalvo> Howard: Content grouping makes it clear
15:16:13 <dmontalvo> Daniel: We are going to use "content grouping" and we will move this to the end so that it's clearer
15:17:07 <dmontalvo> Brian: LOs 3 bullet, maybe split these into two
15:17:27 <dmontalvo> ... Overall grouping would be oen bullet and the other inner space, fonts, and alignment would be the other one
15:18:36 <dmontalvo> Daniel: Will do these changes
15:19:01 <dmontalvo> zakim, take up item 3
15:19:01 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Module 3: Forms  -- Breaking down the responsibilities of each of the roles involved in labels, instructions, and error messages
15:19:03 <Zakim> ... https://github.com/w3c/wai-curricula/issues/637 -- taken up [from dmontalvo]
15:20:40 <dmontalvo> https://content-author-modules--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/content-author-modules/forms/
15:31:42 <dmontalvo> Brian: MAybe instead of says who does what, we should explain why we are saying that these elements require collaboration between different team members
15:32:43 <dmontalvo> zakim, take up item 4
15:32:43 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Module 3: Forms -- Referencing placeholder https://github.com/w3c/wai-curricula/issues/636 ] -- taken up [from dmontalvo]
15:33:02 <dmontalvo> https://content-author-modules--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/content-author-modules/forms/
15:38:00 <dmontalvo> Brian: It could be added a references that labels should be persistently visible, mentioning that if text disappears that's an issue for many people
15:40:56 <dmontalvo> Howard: I consider placeholders text placed in the field, as long as it's in the field, that's a placeholder
15:41:32 <dmontalvo> Brian: That word is an HTML attribute but it is also a word in common language, I think we can use it for purposes different than the code meaning
15:42:38 <dmontalvo> zakim, take up item 5
15:42:38 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Spanning on layout tables explanation -- taken up [from dmontalvo]
15:43:06 <dmontalvo> https://content-author-modules--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/content-author-modules/data-tables/
15:44:14 <dmontalvo> https://wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/content-author-modules/data-tables/
15:47:00 <dmontalvo> Howard: More important message is "try to avoid them"
15:47:42 <dmontalvo> ... "identify situations ..." we should not have that sentence because it may imply that there are situations where layout tables are allowed
15:48:58 <dmontalvo> Brian: Maybe "explain why tables should ont be used for layout purpose"
15:50:54 <dmontalvo> Howard: The specific example of emails is wordy. The approach is not to give too many examples when we are talking about exceptions
15:55:36 <dmontalvo> Daniel: Change to "explain the accessibility problems of layout tables and avoid them where possible" kind of formulation. Explore if we should mention the email example ,but not get too much into details
15:56:22 <dmontalvo> zakim, drop item 1
15:56:22 <Zakim> agendum 1, Starting meeting, choosing scribe https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/WAI_Curricula/WAI_Curricula_Task_Force_Meetings#Scribe_Rotation_List, dropped
15:56:36 <dmontalvo> zakim, end meeting
15:56:36 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Daniel, Howard, BrianE
15:56:37 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v1
15:56:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/23-wai-curricula-minutes.html Zakim
15:56:41 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, dmontalvo; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
15:56:45 <Zakim> Zakim has left #wai-curricula