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14:53:19 <Francis_Storr> zakim, start meetin
14:53:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'start meetin', Francis_Storr
14:53:22 <Francis_Storr> zakim, start meeting
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14:53:23 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Francis_Storr
14:53:37 <Francis_Storr> meeting: issue severity week 5
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14:53:53 <Francis_Storr> present+
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15:03:37 <ShawnT> present+
15:05:41 <ShawnT> Scribe: ShawnT
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15:05:58 <alastairc> present+
15:06:05 <sarahhorton> present+
15:07:10 <ShawnT> alastairc: presenting the Issue Severity document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/138l-fn_JuKl_lOX90JhywLbz9BK1KmjlLLyUjkoouyM/edit#heading=h.u4q2bwx7l0f0
15:08:12 <ShawnT> alastairc: talking about the the critical issues per method section
15:08:38 <ShawnT> ... you need some form of score
15:08:58 <ShawnT> ... asked if we agree with this approach?
15:09:41 <ShawnT> sarahhorton: there are checks in the WCAG guidelines that currently exist, there are groups of testing
15:10:43 <ShawnT> .. giving example of alt text guideline tests
15:11:20 <ShawnT> alastairc: to follow this approach you will have to review all the failures?
15:13:26 <ShawnT> sarahhorton: this is an exercise in checking to see is just to see if we can use this as a building block to see the critical failures
15:14:05 <ShawnT> alastairc: asks to see if we looked at other approaches or methods to explore
15:15:10 <ShawnT> sarahhorton: could we branch away from the approach, we can come to an agreement to the method we were talking about?
15:15:27 <ShawnT> alastairc agrees we could talk it through.
15:16:45 <ShawnT> ... we should go through other resources
15:17:27 <ShawnT> sarahhorton: this is a new concept but there might be a base
15:17:59 <ShawnT> alastairc: We are presenting our summary next week, either Tuesday or Friday
15:18:25 <ShawnT> ... a few slides are needed for the presentation
15:18:56 <ShawnT> alastairc: has a few slides about a different approach
15:19:25 <ShawnT> .. hoping sarahhorton or Francis_Storr would be able to present sarahhorton's approach
15:20:30 <ShawnT> sarahhorton: worried that we aren't all aligned in a method as a group
15:21:53 <ShawnT> ... worried that we are not like other groups that had different methods that seems to make it harder
15:22:22 <ShawnT> sarahhorton: try to summaries the different methods
15:23:08 <ShawnT> sarahhorton: presenting the spreadsheet, combined tab
15:23:22 <ShawnT> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MEdnI4CvrTlq1843MZfWLaIBGmoGXXQPpUOhEY1NgV4/edit?pli=1#gid=0
15:24:31 <ShawnT> .. methods and tests tab: test between ourselves to rate different severities
15:24:44 <ShawnT> ... look at just the ones that are critical
15:25:52 <ShawnT> ... then we focuses on the Critical Severity Worksheet tab which are rated as critical user needs
15:27:01 <ShawnT> ... shows that the critical needs that are only critical
15:27:20 <ShawnT> alastairc: would this be all the tests?
15:28:43 <ShawnT> sarahhorton: if a test does not have severity it won't be listed in the sheet
15:29:30 <ShawnT> ... this is not complete, there is still work to be done
15:29:55 <ShawnT> ... we wanted to create a prototype for this matrix
15:30:41 <ShawnT> alastairc: This is some foundational work? How would this be used in the guideline?
15:31:44 <ShawnT> sarahhorton: we just wanted to have some work to bring back, as a starting point, to build what was in WCAG 3.0 instead of introducing new stuff
15:36:33 <ShawnT> ... talking about critical barriers with video tests and different user needs and how the severity is critical for some needs
15:41:14 <ShawnT> sarahhorton: we were seeing if it was even possible to see if we could rate a process as severity
15:41:23 <Francis_Storr> There is Scoping subgroup, but it's not started: https://github.com/w3c/silver/wiki/Scoping-Subgroup
15:42:03 <ShawnT> alastairc: we are trying to improve the flat structure of the WCAG 2 testing process
15:43:18 <ShawnT> alastairc: a more granularity of a testing process by checking all the barriers and figure out how bug of a barrier is it for your task
15:44:31 <ShawnT> sarahhorton: when doing the test, how severe are the barriers
15:46:36 <alastairc> ShawnT: As an auditor, you wouldn't necessarily want to go through every instance. We'd like to link to WCAG and say "this is a critical barrier".
15:46:59 <alastairc> ... would be good for AG + community to fill this in first, so everyone can use that.
15:47:41 <Francis_Storr> https://github.com/w3c/silver/wiki/Issue-Severity-Subgroup
15:50:12 <ShawnT> alastairc: How can we ensure WCAG 3 better reflects the "lived experience" of people with disabilities on the web? Answer: we are creating a more nuance set of tests.
15:51:41 <ShawnT> Francis_Storr: we need a plan for next week, putting a presentation together
15:51:55 <ShawnT> alastairc: would maybe have some time to work on this
15:52:23 <ShawnT> Francis_Storr: is off next week, could do something on Tuesday but can't be there Friday
15:52:38 <Francis_Storr> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1-9AlgikV9idYF0JZBS8zvmaz9TxyYXt7M1zsNd_JbdI/edit#slide=id.p
15:56:33 <ShawnT> sarahhorton: thought this group would have just come up with one method instead of presenting different thoughts of prototypes
15:57:27 <ShawnT> alastairc: we can update this and present it as an approach that we have been working on
15:58:27 <ShawnT> alastairc: we should look at the core questions and answer them
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16:01:21 <ShawnT> alastairc: going over the slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1-9AlgikV9idYF0JZBS8zvmaz9TxyYXt7M1zsNd_JbdI/edit#slide=id.g14585acc711_0_0
16:05:26 <ShawnT> sarahhorton: how to get people not to see this as scoring
16:06:52 <ShawnT> sarahhorton: by trying to define when a failed test is going to impact a user with functional needs
16:08:23 <ShawnT> sarahhorton: we don't have a breakdown on how does this affect different critical barriers of user needs
16:13:54 <ShawnT> Francis_Storr: will ask Wilco preference for a Tuesday presentation
16:14:33 <Francis_Storr> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:14:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/17-wcag3-scoring-minutes.html Francis_Storr
16:16:08 <Francis_Storr> zakim, end meeting
16:16:08 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Francis_Storr, ShawnT, alastairc, sarahhorton
16:16:10 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:16:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/17-wcag3-scoring-minutes.html Zakim
16:16:13 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Francis_Storr; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:17:41 <ShawnT> I've added the presentation link to the Google doc
16:19:02 <Francis_Storr> thanks
16:20:17 <ShawnT> Want me to add it and the Google doc link to the Wiki?
16:21:58 <ShawnT> I added the doc for now
16:22:01 <Francis_Storr> The working document we have? I think we decided that was just going to be for us and not public.
16:22:34 <ShawnT> Oh shoot sorry
16:23:43 <ShawnT> I get mixed up between the different wikis we use in AGWG
16:23:47 <ShawnT> I removed it
16:24:16 <Francis_Storr> thanks :)
16:24:32 <Francis_Storr> good job with the minutes :)
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