13:12:11 RRSAgent has joined #wot-pf 13:12:11 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-wot-pf-irc 13:12:20 meeting: WoT Plugfest/Testing 13:12:25 topic: Minutes 13:13:41 mm: minutes approved 13:13:43 q+ 13:14:17 mm: it would good to add the links 13:14:19 ack k 13:14:19 topic: planning 13:15:26 mm: we need additional results 13:16:52 ek: we need to explain people where to submit and that they can do this 13:17:11 mm: I can send an email with a readme 13:17:18 mm: I will check it daily 13:17:28 chair: McCool 13:17:48 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Fady_Salama, Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima 13:24:55 q+ 13:26:45 ack k 13:26:52 mm: people have forgotten to link their manual.csv in the batch validation 13:27:04 mm: it is annoying to keep versions of everythign organized 13:27:15 ek: this time we had too many changes and events 13:28:27 mm: we need testimonials and implementation descriptions 13:28:35 ek: better to send an email I think 13:28:43 mm: I can make a PR and direct people there 13:28:50 topic: Plugfest after TPAC 13:29:01 mm: it would be good to put one week between 13:29:35 ek: we should not get that tired this time but some actually travel 13:30:06 mm: also giving people time to get organized for profile 13:33:48 mm: we have numbers about the Implementation Reports 13:34:01 mm: we need a doodle for the post TPAC plugfest 13:34:11 mm: in discovery we have more manual assertions 13:36:32 topic: TD Implementation Report 13:36:42 mm: mutual side authentication 13:36:48 ... it is difficult to implement 13:39:34 ek: I can try it in my mqtt implementation, not sure though 13:41:04 ek: these were added due to wide-reviews no? 13:41:18 mm: true. this is a procedural question 13:41:33 kaz: w3c process says remove features at risk 13:42:38 s/at risk/at risk and we can go for the PR stage, but we can re-publish another CR with those features as informative./ 13:43:43 kaz: we need 2 tests for optional features as well 13:43:50 mm: optional is different from informative though 13:44:18 s/we need/not we need/ 13:45:39 kaz: if you mean "removing RFC2119 keywords from the text of the unimplemented features" by "making the at-risk features informative", probably we need to publish an updated CR for that purpose. 13:45:46 i/if you/scribenick: kaz/ 13:45:55 scribenick: Ege 13:46:10 q+ 13:47:48 ek: I do not understand some assertions at all. Could you add clarifications? 13:47:55 mm: I will look into rewording them 13:50:21 kaz: we have to look at the current state 13:53:18 topic: Discovery Implementation Report 13:53:24 s|we have to look at the current state|agree we should add clarification to the assertions so that implementers can understand the meaning easily. On the other had, after we clarify the current implementation status, we should clarify the procedure on how to provide implementation results and ask all the WG/IG participants to help again. Also we should ask external potential implementers as well for help. For that purpose, we need to identify which 13:53:24 features are important and need implementations and which can be marked as at-risk (which will be removed if we can't get sufficient implementations).| 13:53:25 mm: we have a lack of manual assertions tested 13:53:43 rrsagent, make log public 13:53:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:53:48 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 13:57:20 ktoumura has left #wot-pf 14:04:31 i/minutes approved/scribenick: Ege/ 14:04:53 i|minutes approved|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/08/03-wot-pf-minutes.html Aug-3| 14:04:55 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:04:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:05:35 s/features are important and need implementations and which can be marked as at-risk (which will be removed if we can't get sufficient implementations).|// 14:05:59 i|identify which|identify which features are important and need implementations and which can be marked as at-risk (which will be removed if we can't get sufficient implementations).| 14:06:02 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:06:02 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:06:36 s|identify which|identify which features are important and need implementations and which can be marked as at-risk (which will be removed if we can't get sufficient implementations).| 14:06:38 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:06:38 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 14:07:54 i|we need add|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_10.08.2022 Planning section of today's agenda| 14:09:14 i|mutual side auth|-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/testing/report11.html TD Implementation Report| 14:09:54 i|we have a lack of manu|-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-discovery/testing/report.html Discovery Implementation Report| 14:09:57 [adjourned] 14:09:59 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:09:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 15:28:45 benfrancis8 has joined #wot-pf 16:04:08 Zakim has left #wot-pf 16:36:13 kaz has joined #wot-pf 16:56:34 benfrancis2 has joined #wot-pf