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15:03:34 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
15:04:13 <sheri_b-h> present+
15:04:15 <janina> present+
15:04:21 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:04:21 <Zakim> Present: Fazio, nadine, sheri_b-h, janina
15:04:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, sheri_b-h, janina, maryjom, nadine, Fazio, Zakim, jspellman
15:05:12 <sheri_b-h> Brian is present, can't access irc
15:07:27 <janina> agenda?
15:07:41 <sheri_b-h> zakim, next item
15:07:41 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Discuss FPWD Status -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:07:58 <sheri_b-h> CFC is underway
15:08:10 <sheri_b-h> some people intentionally vote late
15:08:28 <sheri_b-h> APA Co-chair will vote tomorrow or Friday
15:08:34 <sheri_b-h> so far all votes are positive
15:08:48 <sheri_b-h> vote officially closes 9 pm PST Friday
15:09:00 <sheri_b-h> -1 needs to have reason, by poicy
15:09:28 <sheri_b-h> Janina will allow votes over the weekend, decision will be posted Monday morning
15:11:20 <sheri_b-h> Janina reviewed messaging process
15:13:22 <sheri_b-h> https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts
15:14:31 <janina> scribe+ Sheri reads through blog draft -- starting with a TLDR
15:14:46 <janina> sheri: need to objectively measure steps toward a11y over time
15:14:53 <janina> sheri: emphasis is on our value add
15:15:06 <janina> sheri: most info also came from the doc itself, with a few edits
15:15:26 <janina> sheri: e.g. no one department is responsibility; calls out multiple aspects and processes
15:15:36 <janina> sheri: emphasis: measuribility and repeatability
15:15:52 <janina> sheri: notes other maturity models have worked for other topic areas
15:16:01 <janina> sheri: we help identify gaps and performance over time
15:16:30 <janina> sheri: Note that snapshots are not sufficient, because you don't have a tracelog over time, i.e. root cause analysis
15:16:46 <janina> sheri: prevent problems, not just fix what's happened
15:16:51 <janina> sheri: call to action
15:17:44 <janina> dfazio: do we want to try to differentiate from other maturity models
15:18:01 <janina> sheri: no, because it's too much in the weeds to do that; this is already longer than most
15:19:25 <janina> sheri: focus of blog is what value we add in addition to WCAG
15:19:33 <janina> brian: a few questions ...
15:20:02 <janina> brian: understand ability to assess that an organization produces, but also internal accessibility, emails, presentations?
15:20:22 <janina> sheri: Absolutely! Points to the Communications Section that points both to external and internal communications
15:21:02 <janina> dfazio: That was one of our early goals
15:21:20 <janina> dfazio: Our scope restraint is that W3C is web
15:22:24 <janina> sheri: Once we finish, I'll post to the required wiki
15:22:36 <janina> sheri: Obviously the blog will have a URI eventually
15:22:54 <janina> sheri: There's also an email
15:24:49 <janina> sheri: continues through the other message types required
15:25:46 <janina> https://www.w3.org/2021/Process-20211102/
15:29:38 <sheri_b-h> David called for last comments on the draft messaging
15:29:44 <sheri_b-h> Maryjo thinks the blog is too long
15:30:10 <sheri_b-h> Maryjo suggests its repetitive of document itself
15:30:29 <sheri_b-h> Sheri said this was intentional to gain interest to go into the document and read the rest
15:31:03 <sheri_b-h> Sheri also added TL;DR for people who don't want to read the whole thing
15:31:15 <sheri_b-h> David - we should condense, but use outside editing resources
15:32:15 <sheri_b-h> David - move it forward but monitor the folx who are doing the editing to make sure nothing essential gets cut
15:32:51 <sheri_b-h> Maryjo - in the future, want more time to review before we push it along
15:33:40 <sheri_b-h> Sheri takes responsibility for the delay, promises to do better in the future
15:34:18 <sheri_b-h> Janina - propose edits in email string because not everyone has access to the announcement drafts page
15:36:12 <sheri_b-h> RESOLUTION: Move forward with messaging
15:36:31 <janina> _1
15:36:33 <sheri_b-h> +1
15:36:46 <maryjom> +1
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15:36:49 <nadine> +1
15:37:00 <sheri_b-h> Brian verbally indicated +1
15:37:01 <janina> +1
15:37:03 <Fazio> +1
15:38:02 <sheri_b-h> zakim, next item
15:38:02 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Discuss TPAC -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:38:46 <sheri_b-h> Janina - no maturity modeling meetings on APA docket.  Schedule is already crammed
15:39:06 <sheri_b-h> Janina - we should do a presentation instead, Wednesday breakout
15:39:21 <sheri_b-h> Janina - what's different from last year's presentation?
15:40:20 <sheri_b-h> Sheri: last year's presentation proposal: Accessibility Maturity Model Proposer: Sheri Email address of proposer sbyrnehaber@vmware.com Type of session: presentation and open discussion Session facilitators and speakers: Session Facilitator Jeanne, Speakers: David, Sheri Summary: Overview of progress to date and work on Accessibility Maturity Model note (link to working document) Goals of session: Presentation and discussion of Accessibil[CUT]
15:44:01 <sheri_b-h> David will take responsibility for submitting TPAC breakout session
15:44:30 <sheri_b-h> David: what was different from last year
15:44:36 <sheri_b-h> Sheri: spreadsheet is new
15:45:07 <sheri_b-h> David will be in person, Janina in person, Mary Jo and Sheri virtual
15:47:39 <sheri_b-h> zakim, next item
15:47:39 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:48:55 <sheri_b-h> Brian's team has questions, will work with Sheri and David
15:49:45 <sheri_b-h> Janina - process caution, it's an early draft it will change.  However, early comments are super helpful
15:50:34 <sheri_b-h> Brian - proof points have wiggle room
15:50:38 <sheri_b-h> David - that was intentional
15:51:24 <sheri_b-h> Sheri - everyone has different types of evidence that they have accomplished a particular outcome
15:52:32 <sheri_b-h> Brian - let's use captions in the future
15:52:55 <sheri_b-h> rrsagent, make minutes
15:52:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-maturity-minutes.html sheri_b-h
15:53:00 <sheri_b-h> zakim bye
15:53:13 <sheri_b-h> rrsagent, make minutes
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