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13:28:32 <trackbot> Meeting: WAI Adapt Task Force Teleconference
13:28:32 <trackbot> Date: 08 August 2022
13:28:43 <Sharon> chair: Sharon
13:28:49 <Sharon> agenda?
13:30:12 <Sharon> agenda+ CfC for Content Module 1.0 CR Status, Issues raised by the W3C Director upon their review [1] Exit criteria, [2] TAG Response Resolution [3] BCI
13:30:29 <Sharon> agenda+ Respond to issue #203 (Janina)
13:30:30 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/203 : Unclear how the Bliss symbol examples should work with i10n/i18n.
13:31:09 <Sharon> agenda+ BCI Registry Implementation
13:31:23 <Sharon> agenda+ TPAC 12-16 September 2022 preparations
13:31:41 <Sharon> agenda+ Discuss @rel vs. purpose/destination/action -- add to the explainer
13:32:12 <Sharon> agenda+ Content Module Implementations Status
13:32:24 <Sharon> agenda?
13:32:26 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/203 : Unclear how the Bliss symbol examples should work with i10n/i18n.
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13:54:11 <janina> agenda?
13:54:13 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/203 : Unclear how the Bliss symbol examples should work with i10n/i18n.
13:54:15 <janina> present+
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14:04:09 <becky> present+
14:04:13 <Matthew_Atkinson> Link to current draft of CR exit criteria: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bNEUCqE7SxwkhmENIO620yVTjeAnhn_5Bi4AY8oQJEA/edit?usp=sharing
14:04:18 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
14:04:46 <janina> scribe+ janina
14:05:06 <janina> zakim, next item
14:05:06 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- CfC for Content Module 1.0 CR Status, Issues raised by the W3C Director upon their review [1] Exit criteria, [2] TAG Response Resolution [3] BCI -- taken up [from
14:05:09 <Zakim> ... Sharon]
14:05:20 <Matthew_Atkinson> Link to current draft of CR exit criteria: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bNEUCqE7SxwkhmENIO620yVTjeAnhn_5Bi4AY8oQJEA/edit?usp=sharing
14:05:24 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:05:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/08-adapt-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:05:32 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: Above is inprocess draft of Exit Criteria
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14:05:47 <mike_beganyi> present+
14:06:02 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: Compared with other specs, as well as process doc
14:06:40 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: which includes two independent implementations; noting that have 205 value pairs
14:06:50 <Roy> Roy has joined #adapt
14:06:53 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: believes that means 2 implementations for each of those 205
14:06:58 <Roy> present+
14:07:06 <Roy> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:07:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/08-adapt-minutes.html Roy
14:07:10 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: thinking primarily of browser extensions
14:07:31 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: all implementations need not be in a given extension--can be across multiple implementations
14:07:46 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: expect we will need a test page with all 205 pairs
14:08:21 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: one way might be content with and without our ml
14:08:27 <MichaelC> q+ to say combine tables
14:08:35 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: that can create side-by-side comparison
14:08:40 <MichaelC> q+ to mention 2nd CR relation
14:08:52 <MichaelC> q+ to define UA
14:09:33 <Sharon> ack MichaelC
14:09:33 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say combine tables and to mention 2nd CR relation and to define UA
14:09:41 <janina> MichaelC: need to come up with overall strategy -- is this one?
14:09:51 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: yes, proposal of how to test; still working on reporting
14:10:18 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: expecting a table with 205 rows and each implementations a column
14:10:36 <janina> MichaelC: yes, could be pass/fail value
14:10:46 <janina> MichaelC: should have more to explain
14:11:13 <janina> MichaelC: also here to talk strategic process
14:11:24 <janina> MichaelC: knowing we have a second CR coming
14:12:20 <janina> michael: looks at what the expectations of 1 cr are
14:13:19 <janina> janina: explains expecting to request permanent reserved prefix from what-wg
14:13:39 <janina> MichaelC: yes, and we should explain that in our transition request
14:14:35 <MichaelC> q+
14:14:46 <MichaelC> ack me
14:14:53 <Sharon> ack MichaelC
14:15:07 <janina> ~~janina: recalls need to define user agent as well as authoring reqs
14:15:09 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
14:15:17 <janina> janina: ua would have RFC2119 MUST statements
14:15:20 <Sharon> ack Matthew_Atkinson
14:15:28 <janina> MichaelC: we should carefully define UA to our advantage
14:15:46 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: there need to be some reqs
14:15:57 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: would we say react to all 205?
14:16:25 <MichaelC> q+ to say don´t require all
14:16:34 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: gave internal presentation and heard question on how this would apply to apps, native desktop or mobile
14:16:43 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: people are thinking that way
14:16:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack me
14:16:57 <Sharon> ack MichaelC
14:16:57 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say don´t require all
14:17:08 <janina> MichaelC: would encourage avoiding expecting all values to be implemented
14:17:09 <janina> q+
14:17:28 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: characterize as here's this attrib, and here its values
14:17:51 <Sharon> ack janina
14:18:44 <janina> MichaelC: janina: notes typical approach is to segregate into normative and informative sections of the spec
14:19:00 <janina> /michael//
14:19:15 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: still working on it and will be on it this week
14:19:25 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: will report on list
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14:19:41 <MichaelC> s/MichaelC: janina:/janina:/
14:19:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> regrets+ Lionel
14:20:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel is lurking, on another meeting. Waves hello to all.
14:20:26 <janina> subtopic: prospective meetup with TAG
14:20:34 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:20:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/08-adapt-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:21:24 <janina> janina: Notes that's on the planning subtopic: bci
14:22:36 <MichaelC> q+ to say add the bliss topic to 2nd cr explanation
14:22:53 <Sharon> ack MichaelC
14:22:53 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say add the bliss topic to 2nd cr explanation
14:23:13 <janina> MichaelC: given we have a second cr, normative references could go there and not the first CR
14:23:21 <janina> MichaelC: suggests a note for now
14:25:46 <janina> MichaelC: suggesting even excel is for 2nd, but point to pdf for now
14:25:58 <janina> MichaelC: we don't need to gate 1st cr on the registry work
14:26:11 <janina> MichaelC: we should look for registry in TR by 2nd Adapt CR
14:26:36 <janina> s/TR/FPWD/
14:27:13 <janina> MichaelC: the registry would need to be final by the time Adapt is finalized, but should be OK for 2nd CR
14:27:46 <janina> MichaelC: Roy and I will chat and come up with approach to Director
14:27:58 <janina> zakim, next item
14:27:58 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Respond to issue #203 (Janina) -- taken up [from Sharon]
14:27:59 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/203 : Unclear how the Bliss symbol examples should work with i10n/i18n.
14:28:06 <janina> janina: not done
14:29:11 <janina> zakim, close this item
14:29:11 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
14:29:12 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:29:12 <Zakim> 3. BCI Registry Implementation [from Sharon]
14:29:15 <janina> zakim, next item
14:29:15 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- BCI Registry Implementation -- taken up [from Sharon]
14:30:16 <janina> janina: Reached out to Russell
14:30:27 <janina> sharon: also Lionel working on implementations
14:30:30 <janina> zakim, next item
14:30:30 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- TPAC 12-16 September 2022 preparations -- taken up [from Sharon]
14:30:56 <janina> janina: So TAG meeting
14:31:33 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: many meetings we're organizing have some relation to Adapt
14:31:51 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: Suggest updating slides and doing breakout
14:32:17 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: develop an elevator pitch
14:32:54 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: updating slides should be easy because we already have them from last year
14:35:24 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: was asked by this TF to come up with a page where MQ5 would be insufficient, but Adapt would
14:35:34 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: getting there with that page, but not ready yet
14:35:47 <janina> Sharon: yes, element level metadata, not just page level
14:36:49 <janina> zakim, next item
14:36:49 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Discuss @rel vs. purpose/destination/action -- add to the explainer -- taken up [from Sharon]
14:37:18 <janina> janina: we're recalling this came up in a conversation between Lionel and Tzviya
14:37:23 <janina> Sharon: a few more times, too
14:37:44 <janina> Sharon: adding explanation to our Explainer is what we agreed is the way to address
14:38:08 <janina> Sharon: want to hold on this for Lionel, as he had the conversation
14:38:15 <janina> zakim, next item
14:38:15 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Content Module Implementations Status -- taken up [from Sharon]
14:38:36 <janina> Sharon: have not heard from Phil re IBM implementation; he's been out
14:38:44 <janina> Sharon: Lionel has committed to doing one
14:41:16 <janina> janina: suggests all 205 pairings won't come from just the ADA complaint form
14:41:53 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: we can't rely on a published site using all 205, or close to; therefore the test page
14:43:12 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: testing is going to be laborious; visual
14:43:26 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: thinking aloud about mechanisms to automate part of it somehow
14:44:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> s/Phil/Phill
14:44:10 <janina> Matthew_Atkinson: looking forward to how others have approached this, e.g. ARIA
14:47:24 <janina> janina: notes benefits to screen reader and lo vision magnification users whose tech does "soda straw" ivews of content; so less is more!
14:48:13 <Matthew_Atkinson> topic: Future meetings
14:48:15 <Matthew_Atkinson> scribe+ Matthew_Atkinson
14:48:32 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: There are likely three weeks off in September (Labor day, TPAC, and the week after).
14:48:43 <janina> zakim, bye
14:48:43 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, becky, Matthew_Atkinson, mike_beganyi, Roy
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14:48:56 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
14:48:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/08-adapt-minutes.html janina