IRC log of adapt on 2022-08-08

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Meeting: WAI Adapt Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 08 August 2022

13:28:43 [Sharon]

chair: Sharon

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agenda?

13:30:12 [Sharon]

agenda+ CfC for Content Module 1.0 CR Status, Issues raised by the W3C Director upon their review [1] Exit criteria, [2] TAG Response Resolution [3] BCI

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agenda+ Respond to issue #203 (Janina)

13:30:30 [Github]

https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/203 : Unclear how the Bliss symbol examples should work with i10n/i18n.

13:31:09 [Sharon]

agenda+ BCI Registry Implementation

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agenda+ TPAC 12-16 September 2022 preparations

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agenda+ Discuss @rel vs. purpose/destination/action -- add to the explainer

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agenda+ Content Module Implementations Status

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agenda?

13:32:26 [Github]

https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/203 : Unclear how the Bliss symbol examples should work with i10n/i18n.

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agenda?

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https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/203 : Unclear how the Bliss symbol examples should work with i10n/i18n.

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present+

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present+

14:04:13 [Matthew_Atkinson]

Link to current draft of CR exit criteria: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bNEUCqE7SxwkhmENIO620yVTjeAnhn_5Bi4AY8oQJEA/edit?usp=sharing

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present+

14:04:46 [janina]

scribe+ janina

14:05:06 [janina]

zakim, next item

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agendum 1 -- CfC for Content Module 1.0 CR Status, Issues raised by the W3C Director upon their review [1] Exit criteria, [2] TAG Response Resolution [3] BCI -- taken up [from

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... Sharon]

14:05:20 [Matthew_Atkinson]

Link to current draft of CR exit criteria: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bNEUCqE7SxwkhmENIO620yVTjeAnhn_5Bi4AY8oQJEA/edit?usp=sharing

14:05:24 [Matthew_Atkinson]

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/08-adapt-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson

14:05:32 [janina]

Matthew_Atkinson: Above is inprocess draft of Exit Criteria

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present+

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Matthew_Atkinson: Compared with other specs, as well as process doc

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Matthew_Atkinson: which includes two independent implementations; noting that have 205 value pairs

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Matthew_Atkinson: believes that means 2 implementations for each of those 205

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present+

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Matthew_Atkinson: thinking primarily of browser extensions

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Matthew_Atkinson: all implementations need not be in a given extension--can be across multiple implementations

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Matthew_Atkinson: expect we will need a test page with all 205 pairs

14:08:21 [janina]

Matthew_Atkinson: one way might be content with and without our ml

14:08:27 [MichaelC]

q+ to say combine tables

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Matthew_Atkinson: that can create side-by-side comparison

14:08:40 [MichaelC]

q+ to mention 2nd CR relation

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q+ to define UA

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ack MichaelC

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MichaelC, you wanted to say combine tables and to mention 2nd CR relation and to define UA

14:09:41 [janina]

MichaelC: need to come up with overall strategy -- is this one?

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Matthew_Atkinson: yes, proposal of how to test; still working on reporting

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Matthew_Atkinson: expecting a table with 205 rows and each implementations a column

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MichaelC: yes, could be pass/fail value

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MichaelC: should have more to explain

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MichaelC: also here to talk strategic process

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MichaelC: knowing we have a second CR coming

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michael: looks at what the expectations of 1 cr are

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janina: explains expecting to request permanent reserved prefix from what-wg

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MichaelC: yes, and we should explain that in our transition request

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q+

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ack me

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ack MichaelC

14:15:07 [janina]

~~janina: recalls need to define user agent as well as authoring reqs

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q+

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janina: ua would have RFC2119 MUST statements

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ack Matthew_Atkinson

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MichaelC: we should carefully define UA to our advantage

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Matthew_Atkinson: there need to be some reqs

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Matthew_Atkinson: would we say react to all 205?

14:16:25 [MichaelC]

q+ to say don´t require all

14:16:34 [janina]

Matthew_Atkinson: gave internal presentation and heard question on how this would apply to apps, native desktop or mobile

14:16:43 [janina]

Matthew_Atkinson: people are thinking that way

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ack me

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ack MichaelC

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MichaelC, you wanted to say don´t require all

14:17:08 [janina]

MichaelC: would encourage avoiding expecting all values to be implemented

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q+

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Matthew_Atkinson: characterize as here's this attrib, and here its values

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ack janina

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MichaelC: janina: notes typical approach is to segregate into normative and informative sections of the spec

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/michael//

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Matthew_Atkinson: still working on it and will be on it this week

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Matthew_Atkinson: will report on list

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s/MichaelC: janina:/janina:/

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regrets+ Lionel

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Lionel is lurking, on another meeting. Waves hello to all.

14:20:26 [janina]

subtopic: prospective meetup with TAG

14:20:34 [Matthew_Atkinson]

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14:21:24 [janina]

janina: Notes that's on the planning subtopic: bci

14:22:36 [MichaelC]

q+ to say add the bliss topic to 2nd cr explanation

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ack MichaelC

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MichaelC, you wanted to say add the bliss topic to 2nd cr explanation

14:23:13 [janina]

MichaelC: given we have a second cr, normative references could go there and not the first CR

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MichaelC: suggests a note for now

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MichaelC: suggesting even excel is for 2nd, but point to pdf for now

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MichaelC: we don't need to gate 1st cr on the registry work

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MichaelC: we should look for registry in TR by 2nd Adapt CR

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s/TR/FPWD/

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MichaelC: the registry would need to be final by the time Adapt is finalized, but should be OK for 2nd CR

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MichaelC: Roy and I will chat and come up with approach to Director

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zakim, next item

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agendum 2 -- Respond to issue #203 (Janina) -- taken up [from Sharon]

14:27:59 [Github]

https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/203 : Unclear how the Bliss symbol examples should work with i10n/i18n.

14:28:06 [janina]

janina: not done

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 2 closed

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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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3. BCI Registry Implementation [from Sharon]

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zakim, next item

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agendum 3 -- BCI Registry Implementation -- taken up [from Sharon]

14:30:16 [janina]

janina: Reached out to Russell

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sharon: also Lionel working on implementations

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zakim, next item

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agendum 4 -- TPAC 12-16 September 2022 preparations -- taken up [from Sharon]

14:30:56 [janina]

janina: So TAG meeting

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Matthew_Atkinson: many meetings we're organizing have some relation to Adapt

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Matthew_Atkinson: Suggest updating slides and doing breakout

14:32:17 [janina]

Matthew_Atkinson: develop an elevator pitch

14:32:54 [janina]

Matthew_Atkinson: updating slides should be easy because we already have them from last year

14:35:24 [janina]

Matthew_Atkinson: was asked by this TF to come up with a page where MQ5 would be insufficient, but Adapt would

14:35:34 [janina]

Matthew_Atkinson: getting there with that page, but not ready yet

14:35:47 [janina]

Sharon: yes, element level metadata, not just page level

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agendum 5 -- Discuss @rel vs. purpose/destination/action -- add to the explainer -- taken up [from Sharon]

14:37:18 [janina]

janina: we're recalling this came up in a conversation between Lionel and Tzviya

14:37:23 [janina]

Sharon: a few more times, too

14:37:44 [janina]

Sharon: adding explanation to our Explainer is what we agreed is the way to address

14:38:08 [janina]

Sharon: want to hold on this for Lionel, as he had the conversation

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zakim, next item

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agendum 6 -- Content Module Implementations Status -- taken up [from Sharon]

14:38:36 [janina]

Sharon: have not heard from Phil re IBM implementation; he's been out

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Sharon: Lionel has committed to doing one

14:41:16 [janina]

janina: suggests all 205 pairings won't come from just the ADA complaint form

14:41:53 [janina]

Matthew_Atkinson: we can't rely on a published site using all 205, or close to; therefore the test page

14:43:12 [janina]

Matthew_Atkinson: testing is going to be laborious; visual

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Matthew_Atkinson: thinking aloud about mechanisms to automate part of it somehow

14:44:01 [Lionel_Wolberger]

s/Phil/Phill

14:44:10 [janina]

Matthew_Atkinson: looking forward to how others have approached this, e.g. ARIA

14:47:24 [janina]

janina: notes benefits to screen reader and lo vision magnification users whose tech does "soda straw" ivews of content; so less is more!

14:48:13 [Matthew_Atkinson]

topic: Future meetings

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scribe+ Matthew_Atkinson

14:48:32 [Matthew_Atkinson]

janina: There are likely three weeks off in September (Labor day, TPAC, and the week after).

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zakim, bye

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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been janina, becky, Matthew_Atkinson, mike_beganyi, Roy

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/08-adapt-minutes.html janina