10:56:07 RRSAgent has joined #wot-profile 10:56:07 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/08/03-wot-profile-irc 10:56:17 meeting: WoT Profile 10:56:21 chair: Lagally 10:56:25 present+ Kaz_Ashimura 11:01:33 present+ Ege_Korkan, Michael_Lagally 11:03:00 Mizushima has joined #wot-profile 11:03:27 McCool_ has joined #wot-profile 11:03:27 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#WoT_Architecture_.28Profile.29_-_Aug_3rd.2C_2022 11:03:35 present+ Michael_McCool 11:06:16 Ege has joined #wot-profile 11:07:45 present+ Ben_Francis, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushima 11:12:27 sebastian has joined #wot-profile 11:13:06 q+ 11:13:10 topic: Minutes 11:14:12 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/07/20-wot-profile-minutes.html July-20 11:14:20 qq+ 11:14:51 approved 11:14:57 topic: Schedule 11:15:48 ack k 11:15:48 kaz, you wanted to react to a previous speaker 11:16:00 mlagally_ has joined #wot-profile 11:16:20 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/charters/wg-2021-extension-plan.md wg-2021-extension-plan.md 11:16:57 q+ 11:17:46 ack s 11:17:47 q+ 11:21:38 ack b 11:21:52 (discussion on the progress and possible next steps) 11:25:14 McCool__ has joined #wot-profile 11:25:20 topic: process 11:26:07 q+ 11:26:12 ml: was concern that issue @235 was merged without sufficient review 11:27:05 ... however, this was related to a PR that was previously discussed 11:27:12 ack k 11:27:18 s/@235/#235/ 11:27:52 ... in particular this PR was related into #198 which was clearly stated in the description 11:28:17 q? 11:28:27 s/issue #235/PR 235/ 11:28:48 bf: it would be helpful to use git review tools which would help to address such issues 11:28:50 q+ 11:29:05 i|was concern|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/235 PR 235 - CloudEvents as message payload format for WebHooks| 11:29:09 q+ 11:29:13 ack b 11:29:17 bf: suggest we propose have "required reviewers" feature, and set it the editors 11:29:19 Ege_ has joined #wot-profile 11:29:28 q+ 11:30:27 mm: suggest we make a clear decision on this PR; and also I think trying ben's suggestion for the next month might be worth doing 11:30:58 kaz: still think we need some dedicated discussion during the call 11:31:11 q+ 11:31:20 q+ 11:31:36 ack k 11:32:01 q- 11:32:01 mm: we should do triage 11:32:09 s/during the call/during the call for difficult issue and PRs/ 11:32:17 ack m 11:32:20 ml: now we're talking process again, I think we need to move on 11:32:29 ... let's at least discuss this specific issue 11:32:48 s/was concern/Ege was concerned/ 11:32:52 ... ege, do you still feel this merge was rushed? 11:33:01 q? 11:33:04 ack e 11:33:26 ... on this specific issue, felt the issue was not resolved, but was still merged 11:33:53 ... felt the core problem was not addressed, mentioned at the very top 11:34:03 ... regarding the payload format 11:34:24 ... felt that cloud events was not really fitting WoT's philosophy 11:34:27 q+ 11:34:43 ml: want to check if the process was violated? 11:35:06 ege: felt there were still some people against it; we didn't really have consensus 11:35:29 bf: clear there was not consensus in this case 11:35:31 rrsagent, make log public 11:35:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 11:35:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/03-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 11:35:59 q+ 11:36:07 q- 11:36:13 ml: one issue is also inconsistent attendance 11:36:32 i/was concerned/scribenick: McCool__/ 11:36:49 ege: agree with ml that participation is a problem, but perhaps it was just a case of overcommittment 11:37:12 ... e.g. do we really have enough capacity to do four RECs in a charter with the people we have 11:37:48 s/difficult issue and PRs/difficult issues and PRs. So would suggest we define 2-step procedure, one for online decision making and another for telco discussion./ 11:37:51 q+ 11:37:54 rrsagent, draft minutes 11:37:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/03-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 11:37:56 ack e 11:38:11 ack m 11:38:35 mm: suggest we do move on at least with the PRs on the table 11:39:32 ml: still do want to comment by bf on #87 and #206; but don't quite understand the context 11:40:31 ... felt there was specific time for review... the PRs in question were pretty trivial, e.g. a placeholder section with an editor's note 11:40:40 bf: suggest we move on 11:40:43 mm: agree 11:40:53 topic: new contribution 11:41:03 subtopic: PR 119 11:41:39 ml: recommended that id is timestamp 11:41:54 ... only concern is what to do if there is no clock 11:42:49 ml: suggest we merge 11:43:29 mm: also agree we can merge, but should create an issue to discuss having a fallback 11:43:51 i|recommended|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/119 PR 119 - Add timestamps to event protocol binding - closes #100| 11:44:04 subtopic: PR #121 11:44:43 ml: long discussion.. 11:44:58 i|#87 and|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/87 PR 87 - Placeholder section on transport security| 11:45:16 bf: just says that to be conformant with profile, should be retreivable from a TD server, which is just a web resource 11:45:27 i|and #206|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/206 PR 206 - Security + privacy section| 11:47:27 q+ 11:47:33 ml: there might be some issues with hardcoded TDs in consumers, e.g. downloaded out of band 11:47:50 q- 11:49:02 mm: the current language really just says the TD is available 11:49:47 bf: the current language does not disallow other distribution mechanisms 11:49:59 ml: do we want to merge this? 11:50:06 ege: for all profiles? 11:50:21 bf: only for baseline right now, but may restructure 11:51:06 ml: let's just review in the current context, which is for the baseline 11:51:13 ml: any concerns if we merge? 11:51:20 ... hearing none, will merge 11:51:41 subtopic: PR #247 11:52:27 ml: remove note on vocabulary; it was about some work we were planning do for specific ontologies 11:52:41 ... however, we did not do this 11:53:25 ml: also there is a proposal to resolve this a different way, with "Semantic Annotation" 11:54:06 mm: I think we should remove things that we don't have consensus on 11:54:26 ml: I think we have resolved to not define new contexts, but to use some defined elsewhere 11:54:40 ml: any concerns for merging? 11:55:03 ... hearing none, will merge 11:55:19 subtopic: PR #214 11:56:01 ml: mechanical, fixes some technical issues (missing closing tag), but other PRs created conflicts 11:56:35 ... will fix offline and merge 11:56:40 ml: everyone ok with that? 11:56:53 ... no objections 11:57:16 i|remove note on v|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/247 PR 247 - Remove Note about vocabulary extensions - closes #17| 11:57:18 topic: next meeting 11:57:26 mm: available until Nov 11:57:37 seb: except for next week 11:57:55 tm: no problem 11:58:01 i|mechanical,|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/214 PR 214 - Wrong sections/headers for HTTP profiles| 11:58:11 ml: ok, let's have a meeting next week 11:58:30 ml: let's close, thanks all 11:59:24 [adjourned] 11:59:32 rrsagent, make log public 11:59:36 rrsagent, draft minutes 11:59:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/03-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 12:13:29 benfrancis2 has joined #wot-profile 13:56:41 Zakim has left #wot-profile 14:01:05 Mizushima has left #wot-profile 14:30:26 Ege has joined #wot-profile 14:30:46 Ege has joined #wot-profile 15:14:44 benfrancis5 has joined #wot-profile