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13:55:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:55:36 <trackbot> Date: 03 August 2022
13:55:51 <janina> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures (APA) Weekly Teleconference
13:55:56 <janina> agenda?
13:56:00 <janina> Chair:  Janina
13:56:00 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:56:00 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:56:03 <janina> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:56:06 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
13:56:09 <janina> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
13:56:12 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:56:14 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
13:56:17 <janina> agenda+ TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022
13:56:19 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
13:56:22 <janina> agenda+ be done
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13:58:41 <janina>  regrets: Becky_Gibson, Todd_Libby
13:59:06 <Fazio> present+
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14:01:53 <Fredrik> scribe: Fredrik
14:02:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:02:07 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:02:07 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
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14:03:16 <janina> subtopic: Guidance on CR Exit Criteria
14:04:00 <Fredrik> janina: going to CR with ADAPT.
14:04:11 <Fredrik> MichaelC: I will join the AdaPT call next week to talk about oit.
14:04:35 <Fredrik> MichaelC: The MUST is on the process. I don't know exactly what it means for us.
14:04:39 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
14:04:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:04:52 <Fredrik> MichaelC: WE might want to say something about user agents with abroader inclusion of plugins and such and what they can do.
14:05:02 <Fredrik> MichaelC: Whatever we will test in CR, we will want those statements.
14:05:08 <Fredrik> MichaelC: We should talk it through in the TF.
14:05:26 <Fredrik> janina: We'll update the WD and put in some MUST statements with respect to user agents.
14:05:43 <Fredrik> Lionel_Wolberger: We thought we might have a MAY statement or somesuch, but...
14:06:06 <Fredrik> MichaelC: Typically, we only test MUST statements. MAYs are not MUSTs and for good reasons. There are MAYs that should be MUSTs and reasons they got downgraded.
14:06:16 <Fredrik> janina: We may or may not. It's workth looking at.
14:06:43 <Fredrik> janina: In truth, it's optional to implement this spec. But if you do, it's reasonable to have some MUST requirements in order to guarantee interporerability.
14:06:57 <Fredrik> janina: We might all look at the spec until Monday.
14:07:26 <janina> subtopic: Referencing a spread sheet in a FPWD note draft publication
14:07:40 <Fredrik> janina: This has to do with an action that RQTF took in in the last hour.
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14:08:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
14:08:12 <MichaelC> https://w3c.github.io/maturity-model/
14:08:26 <Fredrik> janina: Short version: we are hopeing to ask your consensus, APA, for permission to publish the Maturity Model draft *a Github link wilbe on the CFC). That document will be accompanied by a Google Sheets spreadsheet. Would it be a problem to refer to a Google Sheet in this document?
14:08:43 <Fredrik> MichaelC: We needd to make sure w3c-member has ownership of it so it doesn't disappear later.
14:09:04 <Fredrik> janina: This should later be made into HTML formspace tooling. Here's just a quick and dirty way to see it in operation.
14:10:50 <Fredrik> janina: We have a recommendation from the group to publish as an Excel instead of a Google Sheet.
14:11:01 <janina> ack li
14:13:08 <Fredrik> Lionel_Wolberger: The MM also relieson macros. The MMTF will have to struggle with it.
14:14:23 <Fredrik> Some discussions on the merits of different spreadsheet software.
14:15:35 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:15:35 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
14:15:48 <Roy> subtopic: CSS Working Group Charter
14:15:59 <Fredrik> Roy: One!
14:16:05 <Roy> https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2022/css-2022.html
14:16:21 <Roy> https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2022/css-2022.html#coordination
14:16:38 <Fredrik> Roy: Besides the horizontal review with us, they want to work on accessible navigation.
14:16:41 <Roy> “work with the Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group to work on accessible navigation which needs to be addressed coherently across multiple modules, address accessibility issues related to the features of individual modules, and develop new CSS modules to address accessibility use cases where appropriate.”
14:17:21 <Fredrik> janina: We have a longstanding relationship with them, we wil bbe meeting with them.
14:19:15 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: I'm intrigued with what this navigation work is and I'm looking forward to learning more.
14:19:35 <Fredrik> janina: We'll want to discuss that on TPAC. Hierarchical navigation would be an awesome win.
14:19:41 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: I'll add this.
14:19:47 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:19:48 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
14:20:09 <MichaelC> subtopic: [css-color-6] Meta-issue: `color-contrast()` issues
14:20:09 <MichaelC> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7553
14:20:09 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/132
14:20:19 <Fredrik> MichaelC: CSS is busy. They filed a meta issue on colour contrast.
14:20:28 <Fredrik> MichaelC: The issue links to a number of other issues.
14:20:41 <Fredrik> MichaelC: We probably only need to acknowledge the issue at the moment.
14:21:10 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:21:12 <Fredrik> janina: And ping AGWG that htere is this meta issue. They are deferring at our advice because there has been active development in Silver. And they might want to participate in our conversation with them at TPAC.
14:22:01 <MichaelC> subtopic: [css-color-6] Meta-issue: `color-contrast()` issues
14:22:01 <MichaelC> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7553
14:22:01 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/132
14:22:04 <Fredrik> MichaelC: The only other issues are related to this issue.
14:22:09 <MichaelC> subtopic: [css-color-6] Behavior of color-contrast() when no level is pecified
14:22:09 <MichaelC> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7556
14:22:09 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/131
14:22:09 <MichaelC> subtopic: [css-color-6] Rename color-contrast()?
14:22:09 <MichaelC> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7556
14:22:10 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/130
14:22:11 <MichaelC> subtopic: [css-color-6] color-contrast() with automatic continuous lightness adjustment
14:22:13 <MichaelC> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7556
14:22:15 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/129
14:22:31 <Fredrik> MichaelC: They are getting into it.
14:22:35 <Fredrik> janina: They are.
14:22:44 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:22:44 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
14:22:56 <MichaelC> subtopic: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.2
14:22:56 <MichaelC> - review: https://w3c.github.io/wcag/guidelines/22/
14:22:56 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_Content_Accessibility_Guidelines_(WCAG)_2.2
14:23:13 <Fredrik> MichaelC: There is a wide review request for WCAG 2.2. Plannign to take that into CR as soon as possible.
14:23:19 <Fredrik> MichaelC: Does APA want to review it?
14:25:36 <Fredrik> janina: 2.2 has more support for more COGA issues than 2.1. It is not the only change, but the major one.
14:25:44 <Fredrik> Fazio: Yes, I see it that way to.
14:25:53 <Fredrik> Fazio: I got Redundant entry in it, I'm proud to say.
14:26:37 <Fredrik> janina: I think we can agree that AG should get to WCAG3 and just get this one out now.
14:26:47 <Fredrik> janina: Or at least as soon as possible.
14:28:34 <Fredrik> janina: Let's give it a week. The CFC ends on the 11th.
14:28:49 <Fredrik> janina: Let's take a look at "sometimes" vs. "increasingly" and see what we can get behind.
14:28:54 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:28:54 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from janina]
14:29:06 <MichaelC> subtopic: DAPT Requirements
14:29:07 <MichaelC> - tr: https://www.w3.org/TR/dapt-reqs/
14:29:07 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/DAPT_Requirements
14:29:07 <MichaelC> Need to get review before they start turning it into a spec.
14:29:08 <Fredrik> MichaelC: There are a few.
14:29:14 <Fredrik> MichaelC: DAPT requirements.
14:29:25 <Fredrik> MichaelC: We need to get a review before they start turning it into a spec.
14:29:46 <Fredrik> MichaelC: Dubbing and Audio Description Profile of TTML 2.
14:30:02 <Fredrik> janina: We should probably add this to our convos with Timed Text.
14:30:47 <MichaelC> subtopic: Geometry Interfaces Module Level 1
14:30:47 <MichaelC> - tr: https://www.w3.org/TR/geometry-1/
14:30:47 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Geometry_Interfaces_Module_Level_1
14:30:47 <MichaelC> Might want an accessibility impact statement.
14:30:57 <Fredrik> MichaelC: Geometry Interfaces Level 1.
14:31:25 <Fredrik> MichaelC: This was from theree years ago. We said we would write an a11y statement.
14:31:49 <Fredrik> MichaelC: It was in CR, but it has been since 2018.
14:32:22 <Fredrik> janina: I think this may be let go.
14:32:24 <MichaelC> subtopic: Use Cases and Requirements for Decentralized Identifiers
14:32:24 <MichaelC> - tr: https://www.w3.org/TR/did-use-cases/
14:32:24 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Use_Cases_and_Requirements_for_Decentralized_Identifiers
14:32:24 <MichaelC> OBE?
14:32:31 <Fredrik> MichaelC: Use Cases and Requirements for Decentralized Identifiers.
14:32:37 <Fredrik> MichaelC: May have been overcome by events.
14:32:51 <Fredrik> janina: That spec is now a recommendation despite issues from major actors.
14:32:58 <Fredrik> janina: They will do a round 2.
14:33:40 <Fredrik> janina: We have a wish list and things we think they can help deliver. That includes killing CAPTCHA and perhaps using the credentials that will allow you to avoid passwords entirely to convey your preferred settings for displays and colours and dark modes and so on.
14:34:08 <Fredrik> janina: There are other examples of use cases developed in RQTF. There is a wiki of use cases for what ew want out ov Verifiable Credentials.
14:34:26 <Fredrik> janina: It's the Reporting API that is on our radar.
14:34:42 <Fredrik> janina: This one we#ll close though.
14:35:00 <Fredrik> janina: We move on twith them. If some of these are relevant still because they weren#t dealt with, we#ll take that up in the next round.
14:35:29 <Fredrik> MichaelC: The number of reviews initiated is lower than the number completed. Maybe we should do a few reassignments?
14:35:42 <Fredrik> janina: Maybe start taking them up under dangling specs here as well...?
14:36:02 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:36:02 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]
14:36:40 <Fredrik> subtopic: RQTF
14:36:57 <Fredrik> janina: It's pretty straightforward.
14:37:31 <Fredrik> janina: RATF has provisionally approved, because MMTF is a subgroup of RQTF... RQTF is asking APA to run a CFC on a FPWD on the MM. Hence the spreadsheets conversation earlier.
14:37:45 <Fredrik> janina: The CFC is probably coming this afternoon. Running to Friday 13th.
14:38:05 <Fredrik> janina: There are two more AURs in development.
14:38:12 <Fredrik> janina: One on Natural Language currently on hold.
14:39:25 <Fredrik> janina: The other on Collaborative Environments. Literally writing some of those up and trying to be really specific both in terms of wwhere problems exist and how to look at them. It#'s not ready for FPWD yet, but we expect shortly after TPAC, we will porbably be expecting that RQTF wil ask us to do a FPWD.
14:40:06 <Fredrik> subtopic: Spoken Presentation
14:40:23 <Fredrik> janina: We know what we need to get done before TPAC. WE are planning to take some of our issues to ARIA, to i18n, to DPUB.
14:40:42 <Fredrik> janina: We know what each of us needs to do. We are taking August off and we are all individually responsible for our various action items.
14:40:52 <Fredrik> janina: These will be seen shortly in our TPAC planning.
14:41:04 <Fredrik> janina: TLDR: SP is on hiatus until September.
14:41:12 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:41:12 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
14:42:03 <Fredrik> janina: Maybe we should look for ways to resolve these if we need to. We need to improve this as a group.
14:42:11 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
14:42:12 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
14:42:12 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:42:12 <Zakim> 8. TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 [from janina]
14:42:14 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:42:14 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 -- taken up [from janina]
14:42:54 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: What we've done is that we have filled 8in a lot of agenda we think we should have on TPA.
14:43:16 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: What we are going to do is actually start responsing to invites from other groups to meetings and also sending out our own invitations to other groups.
14:43:43 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: And of course, this is a wiki. If you notice something that should be there or if you are sitting on resources, please help us by filling in, adding to notes and so on.
14:44:15 <Fredrik> janina: +1!
14:45:37 <Fredrik> q+
14:46:21 <janina> ack fr
14:46:44 <Fredrik> q-
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14:51:36 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:51:36 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Other Business -- taken up [from janina]
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14:52:57 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: For wweeks on weeks, I have been saying that I should do my reviews. I have. And posted it to the list. An hour or so before the meeting. But anyway. I finished the review of CSS Color Level 5. I posted the comment and the concerns, particularly from a Front-end Developer wtruggling with color.
14:53:31 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: There is plain text and HTML and I did some poking around about color names and have been playing around with that.
14:53:44 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: I would appreciate your thoughts a lot.
14:54:02 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: There is an option that we could post a comment from APA, smaller in scope, and I'll post my issues personally.
14:54:29 <Fredrik> janina: LOet's make this its own agendum next week whether small or big issue from us.
14:54:31 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: Sounds good!
14:54:55 <Fredrik> zakim ,open next item
14:55:00 <Fredrik> Yes, we are!
14:55:11 <Fredrik> rrsagent, make minutes
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18:11:54 <janina> janina has changed the topic to: APA Weekly Teleconference; Wednesday 11 August at 1400Z
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