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12:01:12 <kaz> meeting: WoT Testfest
12:01:50 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan
12:04:04 <kaz> chair: McCool
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12:05:56 <kaz> present+ Fady_Salama
12:06:05 <kaz> topic: Logistics
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12:06:28 <kaz> mm: Lagally or Toumura-san can't make the Testfest this week unfortunately
12:06:36 <kaz> ... so should concentrate on TD and Discovery
12:06:47 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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12:07:22 <kaz> s/WoT Testfest/WoT Testfest - Day 1/
12:07:37 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_25.07.2022
12:08:08 <kaz> i/Lagally/scribenick: kaz/
12:08:34 <kaz> topic: Minutes
12:08:46 <kaz> mm: let's review the minutes next week
12:09:08 <kaz> s/Logistics/Regrets/
12:09:16 <kaz> regrets+ Toumura, Lagally
12:09:20 <kaz> topic: Logistics
12:09:40 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2022.07.Online/README.md 2022.07.Online page
12:09:54 <kaz> mm: have updated the logistica page
12:10:06 <kaz> ... should add the CSV template as well
12:10:24 <kaz> ... (add minor edits to remove extra parts)
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12:10:56 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
12:11:20 <kaz> ... anything to be added?
12:11:21 <kaz> (none)
12:11:31 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
12:11:40 <kaz> topic: PRs
12:11:57 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pulls remaining PRs
12:12:09 <kaz> subtopic: PR 366
12:12:35 <kaz> s/366/369/
12:12:54 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/369 PR 369 - Add July discovery files
12:13:04 <kaz> mm: Farshid made this PR
12:13:20 <kaz> ... let's merge this
12:13:25 <kaz> (merged)
12:13:41 <kaz> subtopic: PR 366
12:13:51 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/366 PR 366 - Create manual.csv snapshots for 2022.07 Testfest
12:14:05 <kaz> mm: updated manual.csv
12:14:06 <kaz> (merged)
12:14:21 <kaz> subtopic: PR 366
12:14:33 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/363 PR 363 - Adapting manual.csv
12:14:34 <kaz> q+
12:14:55 <kaz> ek: (explains the changes)
12:15:03 <kaz> ... added security things
12:15:39 <kaz> ... "td-arrays_scopes", etc., are removed
12:15:51 <kaz> mm: not for manual tests but for the automatic test?
12:16:05 <kaz> ek: yeah, or even not needed to be checked
12:16:28 <kaz> mm: should clarify what it means
12:17:35 <kaz> ... if you could fix your tool to read the manual.csv first and then process the automatic results, would be nice
12:17:44 <kaz> ek: good point
12:17:47 <kaz> ... will look into it
12:18:09 <kaz> ... manual.csv is more important. right?
12:18:14 <kaz> mm: should discuss that
12:18:25 <dape> q+
12:18:53 <kaz> ek: could have that discussion to see the expected behavior
12:19:39 <kaz> mm: would be better if the tool could identify that
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12:20:19 <kaz> kaz: kind of confused
12:20:27 <kaz> ... this PR includes two portions
12:20:40 <kaz> ... one for the template for the manul.csv
12:20:48 <kaz> ... and actual example CSV for Ditto
12:21:38 <kaz> ek: yeah
12:22:25 <kaz> kaz: in that case, we should have split the PR into two pieces
12:22:34 <kaz> ... one for the template, and another for the actual results
12:22:44 <kaz> mm: would merge this PR itself
12:22:50 <kaz> kaz: merging this PR itself is fine
12:23:04 <kaz> ... but for the next time, we should have two separate PRs
12:23:16 <kaz> ... one for the template and another for the results
12:23:52 <kaz> ... and also we should describe why "td-arrays_scopes", etc., could be removed, i.e., could be tested by the automatic tests within the logistics page
12:24:02 <kaz> mm: will add notes on that
12:24:10 <kaz> q?
12:24:11 <kaz> ack k
12:24:12 <kaz> ack d
12:24:45 <kaz> dp: implementers can/should provide their results based on the new template. right?
12:24:50 <kaz> mm: yes
12:25:27 <kaz> ... currently, we have snapshot version of the manual.csv files
12:25:58 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2022.07.Online snapshot version of the manual.csv files at 2022.07.Online
12:26:14 <kaz> mm: Architecture_manual.csv, etc.
12:26:19 <kaz> ek: complicated...
12:26:27 <kaz> q?
12:26:29 <kaz> q+
12:27:05 <kaz> ek updated template for TD available
12:27:19 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/testing/manual.csv updated TD_manual.csv
12:27:27 <kaz> q?
12:28:38 <kaz> kaz: in that case, we should update the "TD_manual.csv"?
12:28:40 <kaz> q?
12:28:41 <kaz> ack k
12:29:17 <kaz> mm: (adds comments about that)
12:29:23 <kaz> ... related to the PR
12:30:38 <kaz> (closed without being merged)
12:30:48 <kaz> subtopic: PR 362
12:31:15 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/362 PR 362 - Update TinyIoT Thing Directory reports
12:31:26 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:31:33 <kaz> q?
12:31:56 <kaz> q+
12:32:27 <kaz> mm: updating the old results at this moment is confusing
12:32:41 <kaz> ... so would leave this open
12:33:23 <kaz> kaz: if it's still working, can we include it into the results of this Testfest
12:33:46 <kaz> mm: would get clarification from Farshid
12:33:50 <kaz> (not merged)
12:33:58 <kaz> subtopic: PR 367
12:34:19 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/367 PR 367 - Added TM examples showing tm:optional usage in scope of Ditto/TMs
12:34:24 <kaz> mm: let's merge this
12:34:40 <kaz> (merged)
12:35:12 <kaz> mm: data/input_2022/TD/batchValidation.sh has been updated
12:35:51 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/data/input_2022/TD/batchValidation.sh batchValidation.sh
12:35:55 <kaz> subtopic: PR 349
12:36:16 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/349 PR 349 - Add TMs and manual.csv for sdf-wot-converter
12:36:24 <kaz> mm: Philipp is not here...
12:36:38 <kaz> ... but let's merge this to get maximum coverage
12:36:58 <kaz> ... however, need to change the location to data/input_2022
12:37:14 <kaz> ... will merge this PR right after the change
12:37:29 <kaz> ... (put comments)
12:37:40 <kaz> q+ Ege
12:37:48 <kaz> ack k
12:37:49 <kaz> ack e
12:38:03 <kaz> ... (add another Note)
12:38:19 <kaz> ... some more fixes can be also added
12:38:26 <kaz> subtopic: PR 368
12:39:01 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/368 PR 368 - add additional Eclipse Ditto generated TDs with security scheme oauth2
12:39:08 <kaz> (merged)
12:39:12 <kaz> subtopic: PR 370
12:39:33 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/370 PR 370 - Update Ditto.csv
12:39:36 <kaz> ek: just updated
12:39:40 <kaz> (merged)
12:39:44 <kaz> q?
12:40:01 <kaz> q?
12:40:03 <kaz> q+
12:40:26 <kaz> topic: Issues
12:40:31 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 358
12:40:39 <kaz> q+ cris
12:40:41 <kaz> ack c
12:40:58 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/358 Issue 358 - TM testing
12:41:05 <kaz> mm: can close this?
12:41:07 <kaz> ca: yes
12:41:09 <kaz> (closed)
12:41:24 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 329
12:41:35 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/329 Issue 329 - Clarify Expectations for Implementers
12:41:57 <kaz> mm: close this after Fady's review
12:42:08 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 327
12:42:28 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/327 Issue 327 - Missing TD Features
12:42:40 <kaz> ek: can close this
12:42:42 <kaz> (closed)
12:43:05 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 321
12:43:17 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/321 Issue 321 - [TD] Missing manual.csv contributions
12:43:20 <kaz> mm: old one?
12:43:26 <kaz> ek: but still need to check
12:43:44 <kaz> q?
12:43:57 <kaz> mm: lets keetp this then
12:44:04 <kaz> s/lets/let's/
12:44:12 <kaz> kaz: in that case, we should update the title
12:44:16 <kaz> mm: ok
12:44:26 <kaz> ek: still need feedback from Fady, etc.
12:45:06 <kaz> mm: let's look into the current status
12:46:22 <kaz> q?
12:46:23 <kaz> ack k
12:46:42 <kaz> q?
12:46:54 <kaz> ek: ECLASS is already there
12:46:56 <kaz> q?
12:46:57 <kaz> q+
12:47:32 <kaz> mm: flask-tum not yet
12:47:36 <kaz> ... ECLASS done
12:47:40 <kaz> ... Fujitsu not yet
12:47:46 <kaz> ... Hitachi done
12:48:03 <kaz> ... manual TM by TUM not yet
12:48:08 <kaz> ... WebThings not yet
12:48:19 <kaz> ... Logilab done
12:48:25 <kaz> ack k
12:48:41 <kaz> mmm: missing results from some more group participants
12:49:02 <kaz> ... let me rerun the tool to update the results
12:49:11 <kaz> s/results/results again/
12:49:31 <kaz> ... should create another issue to see if those results need updated
12:49:37 <kaz> q+
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12:50:04 <kaz> kaz: separate issue for each implementer?
12:50:21 <kaz> mm: could generate a checklist including all the results
12:50:28 <kaz> ... Ege, can you work on that?
12:50:31 <kaz> ack k
12:50:46 <kaz> ek: need people's input. right?
12:50:54 <kaz> ... let's wait
12:50:57 <kaz> mm: ok
12:51:34 <kaz> subtopic: Other old issues
12:51:45 <kaz> mm: (checks 2022_03 and 2022_06)
12:51:55 <kaz> ... (and then 2021)
12:52:08 <kaz> ... (Plugfest Followup)
12:52:27 <kaz> q+
12:53:03 <kaz> topic: AOB?
12:53:39 <kaz> kaz: would suggest we quickly skim the updated README.md so that we can ask all the implementers to provide updated results based on the document
12:54:17 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2022.07.Online 2022.07.Online/README.md
12:54:24 <cris> q+
12:54:24 <kaz> mm: (quickly skims it)
12:54:27 <kaz> ack k
12:54:31 <McCool> q?
12:54:38 <kaz> ... if anything missing, please let me know
12:54:42 <kaz> q+ Ege
12:54:53 <kaz> ek: corner cases from my side
12:54:56 <kaz> ack e
12:54:57 <kaz> ack c
12:55:08 <kaz> ca: will provide my results for TD
12:55:22 <kaz> mm: new directory?
12:55:38 <kaz> ca: yeah, completely new one from scratch
12:55:43 <kaz> s/for TD//
12:56:10 <kaz> ... discovery capability for node-wot as well
12:56:18 <kaz> ... as part of the Scripting API
12:56:26 <kaz> mm: anybody else?
12:56:29 <kaz> q+ dape
12:57:04 <kaz> dp: wondering how much compatible node-wot can be with the WoT Profile spec
12:57:18 <kaz> mm: if we have automatic test for Profile, we should do that
12:57:30 <kaz> ... good way to get the test
12:58:03 <kaz> ... but maybe we should focus on the manual test this time given Lagally is not around
12:58:06 <kaz> q+ sk
12:58:08 <kaz> ack d
12:58:10 <kaz> ack s
12:58:23 <kaz> sk: action query within Profile, etc.
12:58:33 <kaz> ... have never seen implementations for it
12:58:43 <Ege> q+ for aob part
12:58:48 <kaz> ... maybe we should postpone the test for Profile
12:58:54 <kaz> mm: yeah, I hear you
12:59:01 <kaz> q?
12:59:19 <kaz> ... pragmatic thing we can do is simply deferring the test for Profile
12:59:41 <kaz> ack e
12:59:41 <Zakim> Ege, you wanted to discuss aob part
13:00:20 <kaz> ek: wondering about the potential dependency...
13:00:36 <Ege> q+
13:00:40 <kaz> mm: we didn't get review for Architecture or Security
13:01:04 <kaz> ... need to figure out how to deal with that
13:01:08 <kaz> q?
13:01:27 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:01:27 <Ege> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/9b78f927-0b39-494a-b70f-16faafcc67ef
13:01:46 <kaz> s|https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/9b78f927-0b39-494a-b70f-16faafcc67ef||
13:02:05 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:02:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:02:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/25-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:02:14 <kaz> q+
13:02:27 <kaz> ack e
13:02:28 <kaz> ack k
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13:07:20 <FarshidT_> Is the meeting over? There is no one in the call.
13:20:29 <FarshidT_> right. I had asked in the discovery call and was informed that it starts an hour before that. But it actually starts two hours before the discovery call.
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