11:52:29 RRSAgent has joined #wcag3-equity 11:52:29 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/07/25-wcag3-equity-irc 11:52:30 RRSAgent, make logs Public 11:52:31 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jeanne 11:52:39 Meeting: WCAG3 Equity Subgroup 11:52:39 present: 11:52:39 chair: Janina, jeanne 11:52:39 present+ 11:52:40 zakim, clear agenda 11:52:40 rrsagent, make minutes 11:52:40 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/25-wcag3-equity-minutes.html jeanne 11:52:40 q? 11:52:40 agenda cleared 11:52:58 agenda+ thoughts from the homework? 11:52:58 agenda+ review goals and prioritize 11:52:58 agenda+ start outline or framework report 12:01:34 present+ Laura_Carlson 12:02:14 scribe+ jeanne 12:03:41 present+ 12:03:41 present+ 12:04:19 zakim, take up item 1 12:04:19 agendum 1 -- thoughts from the homework? -- taken up [from jeanne] 12:05:08 LC: Scoring and critical errors, including more functional categories better score? 12:06:22 JSa: Complexity is going to be our challenge – we can pick where it is, we can’t avoid it. Tool it well 12:09:57 MC: Complexity of language - our guidance is written by and for English and don’t have a process for writing equivalent in other languages. We can’t write WCAG3 content for all languages and then we define. 12:13:28 MC: Complexity of language - guidance for English and don’t have a process for writing equivalent in other languages. We can’t write WCAG3 content for all languages and then we define. 12:13:28 ... We need a way to get expert advice from the field to make it’s way into the normative guideline. Have a process that gets quality and approval. And doesn’t take forever. This is for sure a need for human language, may be a need for other topics as well. 12:13:28 ... WCAG 3 at first release must have some visible improvements to equity over WCAG 2, and must have a framework to continue improving equity. 12:14:27 zakim, take up next 12:14:27 agendum 2 -- review goals and prioritize -- taken up [from jeanne] 12:16:37 Jeanne Reads: 12:16:44 Define equity 12:16:44 How to evaluate the level of equity supported by the guidelines 12:16:44 Identify the Challenges to equity 12:16:44 Where the challenges are raised and might be addressed 12:16:45 Structural ability to address issues raised on guidelines equity in a reasonable time frame 12:16:45 Look at processes and how to minimize bias in processes 12:19:38 JSa: Super majority is good enough 12:19:38 ... Assume you know how to use your assistive tech at a basic level 12:23:12 JSp: Equity in disabilities 12:23:12 ... Equity in the guidelines that is appropriate for the full set of human languages 12:24:31 JSa: Example of "don't use double negatives" 12:26:41 JSp: a possible solution is to have normative "follow the rules of your language" and have people 12:26:57 MC: We can’t pretend we have covered all disabilities. We try but we need a process for adding more guidance. 12:28:04 Notes and Agenda -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1esfSksGbTYTwdk0QI3fR5wsd7_9Boa9Gkv5dY-rj7pM/edit# 12:28:40 Merriam-Webster’s “simple definition” of equity is “fairness or justice in the way people are treated.” 12:28:48 But then, what exactly is fairness? How do we define justice? 12:28:57 If these concepts are not absolutes, but shaped by each individual’s worldviews and experiences, then the definition may be a perpetually moving target. 12:29:15 It describes something deeper and more complex than a simple definition of equity. 12:29:15 It describes something deeper and more complex than a simple definition of equity. 12:29:15 It describes something deeper and more complex than a simple definition of equity. 12:30:27 Equity is about people getting what they need to succeed like access to opportunity, resources, and support. 12:34:28 s/It describes something deeper and more complex than a simple definition of equity.// 12:34:43 s/It describes something deeper and more complex than a simple definition of equity.// 12:42:36 Framework draft wiki page -> https://github.com/w3c/silver/wiki/Equity-Framework 12:46:26 ≈ 12:47:13 Approximately Equal Symbol (≈) 13:03:28 rrsagent, make minutes 13:03:28 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/25-wcag3-equity-minutes.html jeanne 13:13:09 Possible components of equity 13:13:09 ... Disability groups are not differentially disadvantaged by the conformance model, e.g., some groups relegated to AAA or Gold or whatever we call it 13:13:09 ... Usability for a site at a given conformance level is approximately equivalent -- across disability groups, though not sure how to measure that 13:13:09 ... Groups are not "forgotten about" during the development process 13:13:11 ... Awareness of and efforts to resolve issues caused by barriers to participation in the AG, such as culture, language, and time zone. 13:13:11 ... Guidance is not omitted because of measurability concerns, instead we come up with realistic ways to measure all guidance 13:13:11 ... "Equivalent" in English is not the same as "equal". = vs ≅ It allows more concepts to be addressed. Math symbol is called “congruent” or “approximately equal”] 13:13:37 Use Cases to address in solutions 13:13:37 ... Any disability group should not have a disproportionate number of their user needs be optional. For example, cognitive and Deaf needs are disproportionately AAA. 13:13:37 ... The company being sued by a hearing disability that wants to prioritize hearing 13:13:38 ... A site that teaches ASL being accessible to screen readers. 13:13:38 ... Music site that offers audio recordings that aren’t meaningfully captionable but also has program notes, interaction features that should be accessible 13:14:14 Homework: Add more use cases and definition concepts to the Framework document at https://github.com/w3c/silver/wiki/Equity-Framework 13:14:27 Framework document -> https://github.com/w3c/silver/wiki/Equity-Framework 13:14:37 rrsagent, make minutes 13:14:37 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/25-wcag3-equity-minutes.html jeanne 13:27:38 rrsagent, bye 13:27:38 I see no action items