IRC log of adapt on 2022-07-25
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- Meeting: WAI Adapt Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 25 July 2022
- 13:57:14 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
- 13:57:38 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- agenda+ CfC for Content Module 1.0 CR Status
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- agenda+ Respond to issue #203
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- agenda+ TPAC 12-16 September 2022 preparations
- 13:58:05 [Matthew_Atkinson]
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- agenda+ Discuss @rel vs. purpose/destination/action.
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- agenda+ Content Module Implementations Status, focus on new candidates
- 13:59:20 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- agenda+ BCI Registry Implementation: Next step, write spec?
- 13:59:28 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- agenda+ Plan future COGA meetings on our other two modules
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- chair: Lionel_Wolberger
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- present+
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- regrets Mike B\
- 14:01:03 [Sharon]
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- 14:01:31 [Roy]
- present+
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- 14:04:19 [janina_]
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- 14:04:20 [Sharon]
- present+
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- present+
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- present+
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- scribe+ janina
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- CfC for Content Module 1.0 CR Status -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
- 14:08:23 [janina_]
- Roy: We have the APA decision to go CR, and I've started the process
- 14:08:46 [Roy]
- https://github.com/w3c/transitions/issues/443
- 14:08:50 [janina_]
- Roy: Tried to get transition in time for ADA anniversary tomorrow, but we are blocked
- 14:09:16 [janina_]
- Roy: Three requests to resolve
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.2/#candidate-recommendation-exit-criteria
- 14:09:48 [Lioonel_Wolberger]
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/25-adapt-minutes.html Lioonel_Wolberger
- 14:10:09 [Roy]
- https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/476
- 14:10:39 [janina_]
- Roy: Director not convinced we've accomplished TAG's requests
- 14:11:48 [janina_]
- Roy: Also overlaps with MQ5 in TAG not clear is resolved
- 14:12:04 [Lionel_Wolberger]
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- 14:12:10 [janina_]
- Roy: third issue to list BCI as normative; should be easy to do
- 14:12:13 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/25-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
- 14:12:31 [janina_]
- Roy: Note currently in PDF but we're planning to move to W3C Registry
- 14:13:08 [janina_]
- Lionel_Wolberger: Looking to review with headings
- 14:13:25 [Roy]
- https://raw.githack.com/w3c/adapt/CR-content-2022-07-26/snapshot/CRD-adapt-content-20220726.html
- 14:13:38 [janina_]
- subtopic: Exit Criteria
- 14:13:56 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- URL, https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.2/#candidate-recommendation-exit-criteria
- 14:14:19 [janina_]
- Roy: Above is an example from ARIA that we need to have an analog for in our document
- 14:15:30 [CharlesL1]
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- present+
- 14:16:31 [janina_]
- Lionel_Wolberger: Happy to help draft
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- Matthew_Atkinson: Happy to help
- 14:16:56 [janina_]
- Lionel_Wolberger: Example looks good and helpful
- 14:18:25 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- q?
- 14:18:32 [janina_]
- subtopic: TAG Response Resolution
- 14:18:33 [CharlesL1]
- rrsagent, make logs public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/25-adapt-minutes.html CharlesL1
- 14:19:18 [janina_]
- Sharon: Notes TAG closed
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- Roy: Believed it's because we weren't responding
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- Roy: Also don't understand
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- Rossen Atanassov
- 14:24:33 [janina_]
- Roy: Suggesting opening request with TAG to review current CR transition draft
- 14:25:19 [janina_]
- [discussion on documenting our response to TAG comments]
- 14:29:28 [becky]
- https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/476#issuecomment-727019511
- 14:29:51 [Sharon]
- TR Explainer https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Explainer-for-Personalization-Semantics
- 14:31:36 [janina_]
- [group digging through various archives]
- 14:35:29 [janina_]
- becky: Appears meeting with TAG was around (or during) TPAC 2021
- 14:36:41 [janina_]
- Sharon: I'll do the forensic research to see what we need yet to do, and what we have to document what's done
- 14:36:59 [Roy]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2021Oct/0036.html
- 14:40:54 [janina_]
- subtopic: Documenting BCI reliance is normative
- 14:41:08 [janina_]
- Roy: For now we normatively reference the PDF
- 14:41:31 [janina_]
- Roy: We will add a note pointing out we will replace this with a W3C Registy specification
- 14:42:45 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- PDF file's recent name, BCI-AV_2020-03-09_(en+sv+no+fi)+derivations+symbols_8483-27158
- 14:43:05 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- Excel format, BCI-AV_2020-03-09_(en+sv+no+fi+hu+de+nl+af+ru+lv+po+fr+es+pt+it+dk)+derivations_8483-27158.xls
- 14:43:48 [janina_]
- lionel: Believe there's an Excel
- 14:44:12 [janina_]
- Janina: We should chase down Excel, and maybe request CSV for now
- 14:44:27 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- On the Bliss site, https://www.blissymbolics.org/index.php/symbol-files
- 14:44:40 [CharlesL1]
- https://www.xelify.se/files/BCI-AV_2020-03-09_(en%2Bsv%2Bno%2Bfi%2Bhu%2Bde%2Bnl%2Baf%2Bru%2Blv%2Bpo%2Bfr%2Bes%2Bpt%2Bit%2Bdk)%2Bderivations_8483-27158.xls
- 14:44:58 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- TEXT OF THE LINK: Excel spreadsheet with ID's, glosses, and derivations and without symbols (more manageable)
- 14:46:08 [Roy]
- http://www.blissymbolics.net/BCI-AV_2020-03-09/BCI-AV_2020-03-09_(en+sv+no+fi+hu+de+nl+af+ru+lv+po+fr+es+pt+it+dk)+derivations_8483-27158.xls
- 14:46:32 [janina_]
- CharlesL1: Confirms is a downloadable doc
- 14:46:41 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- Column AI has the BCI-AV#, and column B has the English label for the symbol
- 14:46:52 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- s\AI\A
- 14:48:10 [janina_]
- janina: Suggests comma delimited would be best if they could give it us;
- 14:48:25 [janina_]
- Lionel_Wolberger: Notes the symbols themselves are not in Excel
- 14:48:37 [janina_]
- [several people noting a11y problems with PDF]
- 14:49:15 [janina_]
- Lionel_Wolberger: notes PDF includes a rendering of the symbol, but the Excel does not
- 14:49:21 [janina_]
- Sharon: Notes we don't use the rendering
- 14:49:26 [janina_]
- Lionel_Wolberger: That's correct
- 14:49:52 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/25-adapt-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
- 14:50:37 [janina_]
- Lionel_Wolberger: Agrees the whole point of the spec is that users are facilitated to use their preferred symbols; so the PDF symbols are illustrative but not dispositive
- 14:50:50 [janina_]
- Lionel_Wolberger: We don't rely on that; only on the ID and the concept
- 14:51:52 [janina_]
- Matthew_Atkinson: Suggests we may consider being able to select among symbol sets when we write our registry spec so that people can see what this is about
- 14:52:45 [janina_]
- Matthew_Atkinson: And it could be just part of the table because we're only illustrating
- 14:53:26 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/25-adapt-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
- 14:53:28 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- http://www.blissymbolics.net/BCI-AV_2020-03-09/BCI-AV_2020-03-09_(en+sv+no+fi+hu+de+nl+af+ru+lv+po+fr+es+pt+it+dk)+derivations_8483-27158.xls
- 14:54:56 [janina_]
- topic: implementation report
- 14:55:05 [janina_]
- Roy: have a draft in our repo
- 14:55:11 [janina_]
- Roy: please check!
- 14:56:25 [janina_]
- roy: We need a report template in order to enter CR; completed it will document our transition to PR
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- regrets: Mike
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- zakim, who's here?
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- Present: Lionel_Wolberger, Roy, Sharon, janina_, becky, CharlesL
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- On IRC I see CharlesL1, Lionel_Wolberger, janina_, Sharon, Matthew_Atkinson, Zakim, RRSAgent, janina, trackbot
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Lionel_Wolberger, Roy, Sharon, janina_, becky, CharlesL
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/25-adapt-minutes.html janina_
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see no action items